Girth test 3 days on vs 1 day on 3 off

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O.K. I started PE GYM with a 6.33" length and 5.4" Mid Shaft Girth and made some very good gains doing a workout schedule consisting of 1 intense day on and 3 days off.

After my workout my unit was a bit sore and for the next day also on rest day 1 still a bit sore, rest day 2 feeling much better day 3 feeling normal and morning wood almost or back to normal, that was my o.k. to start PE exercise the following day.

Starting stats 6.33" L X 5.4"MSEG X 6.050 Base Girth
In just 5 months of exercising went to BPEL 7.28" X 5.780" Mid Girth ( Doing a 1 day on 3 days off schedule) also missing a lot of days due to not having time, I also took almost a year off, came back and made more gains.
I have posted this before a few times in different threads

Now my present stats have been 7.3" X 5.950" MSEG 6.75 -6.8 Base girth which I actually lost some girth and made NO progress from over training i had been doing 5 days a week of Edging, Ulis, Horse squeezes, little bit of jelqs, for the last 7 - 8 months and my size dropped not much but down to 5.875" no matter what could not get back to 5.950"

OVER TRAINING !!!!!!

Just went back to my 1 day on 3 days off a week ago and already at 5.938" and climbing, threw some jelqs in the mix,which I have not done seriously in about a year also.

I am going to post my results in here once a week until I get that DAMN 6.0" MSEG !!!!
Just told the wife be expecting a bit more girth on the way
Like to see another .400" in length also for my goal of 7.7 X 6.0"

If doing intense workouts make sure you have been well conditioned at least 5 months
ans do it at your own risk.
Said it before and I will say it again more is not always better ( I am talking about over training !)

[PRIME Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close PRIME]

whats your routine

[mvergasioin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mvergasioin]

I'm wondering that too. I measure in a couple of days after about 2 weeks of very little pe as compared to what I was doing.

[SuperDude Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SuperDude]

Yeah I think days off are really underrated.

[TheSnitch Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close TheSnitch]

I've been doing 5 on 2 off and I've felt like I haven't been making the gains I know I can make. I thought maybe doing a 180 on and 2 weeks off routine I've been hearing about. Maybe I'm going the wrong way though, and I should be trying more rest periods - not sure yet though it's too soon to tell for me.

PE definitely seems to be a personal science, or trial and error. One size does NOT fit all.

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I've been doing 5 on 2 off and I've felt like I haven't been making the gains I know I can make. I thought maybe doing a 180 on and 2 weeks off routine I've been hearing about. Maybe I'm going the wrong way though, and I should be trying more rest periods - not sure yet though it's too soon to tell for me.

PE definitely seems to be a personal science, or trial and error. One size does NOT fit all.

Im pretty new to PE, but IMO a 5/2 would be too much for me. I really enjoy 2/1/2/2 right now, which is mon/tues on, wed off, thurs/fri on, weekend off. I like a less is more approach, then if that isnt cutting it I can always add more, but at least it will let me know I wasnt overtraining.

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I find this very interesting. I'm also suspecting that days off are required for growth during girth work. I'm considering something like focusing on hanging in the evenings, and then every three days do girth work in the mornings.

[closed056 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close closed056]

Rest days are very underrated. I gained my best when i went to a 2 days on one day off. Right now my routine is kinda intense, and i pick up the intensity a little bit every time i PE, so i only workout mon, wed, fri. Its seems to be working cause my flaccid is hang is the biggest its been. I also gained a little in length after doing this.

[HotRod Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HotRod]

Well this will be interesting. I've thought for a long time that rest days are OVERrated and probably account for all the hard gaining on these forums. I stand by that conclusion. I've been gradually working up to a daily practice. I'll let you all know how it goes. I never have soreness after a session, so maybe that's why this is possible for me. I'm working on a girth plan too, but I don't do any of those so-called advanced exercises.

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It's confusing to know what to do sometimes, with the differing recommendations. It's even more confusing because different methods work for different people too. So in then end we just have to experiment and solve our own dick puzzle At least I know not to take regular rest days from hanging, or I'll be building a super strong but short one.

But girth is different, somehow. I'm just trying to picture it in my head why. There's still stretching of the tunica, but in a different direction, obviously outward instead of longways. And you get the best girth expansion at less than 100% erection. 80% or so. The hardness of the penis, comes from the smooth muscle I believe, so you want to have that smooth muscle expanded but pliable and not hard. When you've got your best girth expansion through exercises, at less then 100% erection, it it still actually somewhat soft. You can press it in a little bit.

Now, what it comes down to I believe, is the actual spongy material in the chambers. The more erectile tissue material there is, the more accomodation there is for the blood to be allowed to fill the chambers. So yes there is some tunica stretching and perhaps some muscle development, but I'm thinking this special spongy material is not like any other tissue, and simply needs more time to regenerate. Doing heavy girth work everyday may be stressing the erectile tissue faster than it can repair. If the rate of stress exceeds the rate of repair, not only will there not be the desired extra small amount of material added each time, but there will be material lost, and hence loss of girth. There might be loss of length too, but, the erectile tissue is able to expand in all directions and girth work only expands the lateral dimension.

Any thoughts?

[BTBrian Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BTBrian]

im really interested in finding out what this routine is that you were doing too. when i did JP90s i did not make any gains for the first 2.5 months or so and began experimenting with different intensities/rest days to find what worked for me. i started going VERY intense during my workouts on a 2 on 1 off 2 on 2 off routine and loved the pump i was getting. then after about 2-3 weeks i decided i needed more rest and started going very light for the next two weeks and during those two weeks i made my first gains (about .25 inches length and .1 inches of girth). i think there definitely might be something in this shock followed by rest thing (as long as you dont overdo the shock portion).

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Here are some microscopic images of stained slides of erectile tissue. This is the tissue we want to grow and be healthy. It looks somewhat delicate doesn't it? Reminds me of a healthy lung somehow.

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~anatomy/Histo/lab_6/male/DMS190/popup.html

Slide #DMS 190 [Penis, Human, H&E]. Note the three cylinders of erectile tissue: the two corpora cavernosa and the single corpus spongiosum (here labeled in the old terminology) containing the penile urethra. Various tunicas are present, the tunica albuginea representing one. The dorsal portion of the outer connective tissue contains numerous blood vessels and nerves.
http://www.dartmouth.edu/%7Eanatomy/.../DMS190fig.jpg
http://www.dartmouth.edu/%7Eanatomy/.../DMS190/26.gif
This is a low power view of the corpus spongiosum, with the spongy urethra running through its center. A urethral gland (of Littre) is also seen in this section. Some of the vascular spaces of the erectile tissue are apparent, and will be seen in more detail in subsequent images. Note again the tunica albuginea surrounding this body of erectile tissue.
http://www.dartmouth.edu/%7Eanatomy/.../DMS190/27.gif
This is a high power view through a portion of the penile urethra. During most of its extent, the urethra is lined by a stratified columnar/cuboidal epithelium --one of the more rare epithelial types in the body.
http://www.dartmouth.edu/%7Eanatomy/.../DMS190/28.gif
This is a medium power view through a urethral gland (of Littre), and demonstrates the typical morphology of a mucous gland. Although not apparent in this section, the ducts of these glands are in continuity with the urethra.
http://www.dartmouth.edu/%7Eanatomy/.../DMS190/29.gif
This is a medium power view through the erectile tissue of the corpus spongiosum. Numerous vascular channels are surrounded by rather thick fibromuscular trabeculae. A portion of the penile urethra is seen on the right.
http://www.dartmouth.edu/%7Eanatomy/.../DMS190/30.gif
This is a medium power view of the erectile tissue of a corpus cavernosum. This tissue is characterized by an abundance of vascular spaces surrounding by a rather delicate network of fibromuscular trabeculae. Sections through the deep artery of the penis (or its branches) are also seen here.
http://www.dartmouth.edu/%7Eanatomy/.../DMS190/31.gif
These high power images permit a comparison between the erectile tissue of the corpus spongiosum, on the left, with that found in the corpus cavernosum seen on the right. The thicker fibromuscular trabeculae surrounding the vascular channels of the corpus spongiosum limit the engorgement of this tissue so as to maintain the patency of the urethra which travels through this erectile body. By contrast, more extensive engorgement of the tissue of the corpora cavernosa is permitted by the rather flimsy trabeculae separating the vascular channels in those erectile bodies.

[HotRod Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HotRod]

It's confusing to know what to do sometimes, with the differing recommendations. It's even more confusing because different methods work for different people too. So in then end we just have to experiment and solve our own dick puzzle At least I know not to take regular rest days from hanging, or I'll be building a super strong but short one.

But girth is different, somehow. I'm just trying to picture it in my head why. There's still stretching of the tunica, but in a different direction, obviously outward instead of longways. And you get the best girth expansion at less than 100% erection. 80% or so. The hardness of the penis, comes from the smooth muscle I believe, so you want to have that smooth muscle expanded but pliable and not hard. When you've got your best girth expansion through exercises, at less then 100% erection, it it still actually somewhat soft. You can press it in a little bit.

Now, what it comes down to I believe, is the actual spongy material in the chambers. The more erectile tissue material there is, the more accomodation there is for the blood to be allowed to fill the chambers. So yes there is some tunica stretching and perhaps some muscle development, but I'm thinking this special spongy material is not like any other tissue, and simply needs more time to regenerate. Doing heavy girth work everyday may be stressing the erectile tissue faster than it can repair. If the rate of stress exceeds the rate of repair, not only will there not be the desired extra small amount of material added each time, but there will be material lost, and hence loss of girth. There might be loss of length too, but, the erectile tissue is able to expand in all directions and girth work only expands the lateral dimension.

Any thoughts?

I stopped thinking about these things a while back. We just don't know that much about what actually causes enlargement. Cell division? Or tissue expansion/stretching? Both? I can't deal with all the speculation.

I don't understand the concept of "heavy girth work." I think some of the "advanced exercises" (ULIs, horse squeezes, etc.) are not very effective at girth at all, in fact, what they tend to do is cause erectile problems because guys do them at high erection level. So they are forced to take lots of rest days.

I don't believe gains occur on rest days in the same way that muscles repair and grow during rest. Gains occur during practice and it's important to have a sustainable daily practice so the tissues don't have an opportunity to rebound. They thought this way in the olden days. I'm testing it myself.

[BTBrian Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BTBrian]

That makes sense.. I wish I started PE ten years from now since it likely will be much more widely studied by then

[HotRod Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HotRod]

Here are some microscopic images of stained slides of erectile tissue. This is the tissue we want to grow and be healthy. It looks somewhat delicate doesn't it? Reminds me of a healthy lung somehow.

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~anatomy/Histo/lab_6/male/DMS190/popup.html

Loved those images, XitemeM. Thanks for posting that.