Girth test 3 days on vs 1 day on 3 off

[HotRod Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HotRod]

That makes sense.. I wish I started PE ten years from now since it likely will be much more widely studied by then

I sure hope so. I agree with XitemeM that it usually comes down to guys figuring out what works best for them. My whole approach is experimental.

[BTBrian Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BTBrian]

How are you testing your theory of gains occuring during sustainable practice? Are you just doing some very light PE for a long while every day?

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No doubt there is a balance to be struck. This balance is probably the most tricky and important aspect of PE. But HotRod I think your post from before falls exactly in line with the ideas I'm having, as you said...

I've been gradually working up to a daily practice

and I think that's exactly the way to go. If you have over time increased the mass or your erectile tissue, then the rate of repair increases. So you can afford to keep going. But if a fellow has lost girth, they should consider the idea that the erectile tissue stress rate is exceeding the repair rate.

I get a kick out of theory and ideas, but I think most guys do very well without ever needing to consider it, and you've probably just been very good at instinctually knowing what your penis needs. I think following your intuition is just as important, if not more, then knowing the hows and whys.

Edit: if the rate of repair doesn't actually increase per se, at least the ratio of repair:stress would favour repair with increased erectile tissue mass (have to get there first though)

[Livin Life Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Livin Life]

whats your routine

If you guys want girth and are not making good girth gains with your present workout schedule I am proof that rest days work, and also have gave this info to other members who have made girth gains.


Here is my log with my starting routine and all my gains listed weekly.

https://www.pegym.com/forums/progres...rth-gains.html

[Livin Life Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Livin Life]

It's confusing to know what to do sometimes, with the differing recommendations. It's even more confusing because different methods work for different people too. So in then end we just have to experiment and solve our own dick puzzle At least I know not to take regular rest days from hanging, or I'll be building a super strong but short one.

But girth is different, somehow. I'm just trying to picture it in my head why. There's still stretching of the tunica, but in a different direction, obviously outward instead of longways. And you get the best girth expansion at less than 100% erection. 80% or so. The hardness of the penis, comes from the smooth muscle I believe, so you want to have that smooth muscle expanded but pliable and not hard. When you've got your best girth expansion through exercises, at less then 100% erection, it it still actually somewhat soft. You can press it in a little bit.

Now, what it comes down to I believe, is the actual spongy material in the chambers. The more erectile tissue material there is, the more accomodation there is for the blood to be allowed to fill the chambers. So yes there is some tunica stretching and perhaps some muscle development, but I'm thinking this special spongy material is not like any other tissue, and simply needs more time to regenerate. Doing heavy girth work everyday may be stressing the erectile tissue faster than it can repair. If the rate of stress exceeds the rate of repair, not only will there not be the desired extra small amount of material added each time, but there will be material lost, and hence loss of girth. There might be loss of length too, but, the erectile tissue is able to expand in all directions and girth work only expands the lateral dimension.

Any thoughts?

Doing heavy girth work everyday may be stressing the erectile tissue faster than it can repair. If the rate of stress exceeds the rate of repair, not only will there not be the desired extra small amount of material added each time, but there will be material lost, and hence loss of girth.

Yes I believe that !

Check out my thread and look at the gains by the week !

[Livin Life Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Livin Life]

im really interested in finding out what this routine is that you were doing too. when i did JP90s i did not make any gains for the first 2.5 months or so and began experimenting with different intensities/rest days to find what worked for me. i started going VERY intense during my workouts on a 2 on 1 off 2 on 2 off routine and loved the pump i was getting. then after about 2-3 weeks i decided i needed more rest and started going very light for the next two weeks and during those two weeks i made my first gains (about .25 inches length and .1 inches of girth). i think there definitely might be something in this shock followed by rest thing (as long as you dont overdo the shock portion).

You will have to try out different intensities to see what works best for you.

[HotRod Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HotRod]

How are you testing your theory of gains occuring during sustainable practice? Are you just doing some very light PE for a long while every day?

I think if most guys saw what I'm doing they'd think it's pretty intense. Definitely not a light newbie routine. I use a sequence of massage techniques I have developed over the past few months, based on a couple years of research. You'd recognize most of it as variations on common manual techniques.

My goal has been to do enough so that I'm challenging my body, but not so much that I can't do it everyday. I'm just 7 weeks into this and still taking 1 or 2 days off each week. The real test comes with results. So far, so good, but I'm not measuring for a few more weeks. I accept this as a long term endeavor. Ultimately I will compare my results against other guys who have tried similar daily approaches.

[HotRod Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HotRod]

If you have over time increased the mass or your erectile tissue, then the rate of repair increases. So you can afford to keep going. But if a fellow has lost girth, they should consider the idea that the erectile tissue stress rate is exceeding the repair rate.

Repair rate? Do we know that is what is happening? Damage and repair?

This is the problem I have with this mode of thinking. If a guy loses girth it could be a result of something else other than the hypothetical process you're talking about. I think it may be due a more prosaic explanation than the various tissue change hypotheses. As I tried to say in my earlier post, guys using these so-called "advanced techniques" to try to get girth may be stressing their erectile mechanism because they generally work at higher erection levels with ULIs, horse squeezes, etc. So it's not a matter of "losing girth" at all. It's a matter of losing erectile power. So they're not expanding the way they normally would. It has nothing to do with cellular repair.

In either case, guys who are seeing such signs should consider taking a break and modifying their technique so they don't NEED to take so many rest days.

I get a kick out of theory and ideas, but I think most guys do very well without ever needing to consider it, and you've probably just been very good at instinctually knowing what your penis needs. I think following your intuition is just as important, if not more, then knowing the hows and whys.

I agree. I appreciate that there are various theories out there, but I tried working with them for 3 years before realizing that they were not practical, and that we really just don't have any real science on the matter of penile tissue change.

So my focus is on observing results with the understanding that basically we're talking about training expansibility.

[HotRod Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HotRod]

If you guys want girth and are not making good girth gains with your present workout schedule I am proof that rest days work, and also have gave this info to other members who have made girth gains.


Here is my log with my starting routine and all my gains listed weekly.

https://www.pegym.com/forums/progres...rth-gains.html

I don't mean to take over your thread, Livin Life, just trying to assert a divergent opinion and experience, but I believe I'm proof that rest days serve no purpose...unless you're over doing it, or unless you're a beginner. There are a lot of frustrated "slow gainers" on the forums who insist on taking rest days. I used to be one of them. I see it as dogma. Can't see it any other way. So I'm testing it. I also don't see girth as being more stubborn than length training. You get what you focus on. Technique is everything, and that comes with practice and brainpower.

[amiok Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close amiok]

Repair rate? Do we know that is what is happening? Damage and repair?

This is the problem I have with this mode of thinking. If a guy loses girth it could be a result of something else other than the hypothetical process you're talking about. I think it may be due a more prosaic explanation than the various tissue change hypotheses. As I tried to say in my earlier post, guys using these so-called "advanced techniques" to try to get girth may be stressing their erectile mechanism because they generally work at higher erection levels with ULIs, horse squeezes, etc. So it's not a matter of "losing girth" at all. It's a matter of losing erectile power. So they're not expanding the way they normally would. It has nothing to do with cellular repair.

In either case, guys who are seeing such signs should consider taking a break and modifying their technique so they don't NEED to take so many rest days.

Dude. You may be hitting it on the head what is wrong with me. I have lost girth. But it may be that I don't expand like i used to. I don't think I am.

[Livin Life Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Livin Life]

I don't mean to take over your thread, Livin Life, just trying to assert a divergent opinion and experience, but I believe I'm proof that rest days serve no purpose...unless you're over doing it, or unless you're a beginner. There are a lot of frustrated "slow gainers" on the forums who insist on taking rest days. I used to be one of them. I see it as dogma. Can't see it any other way. So I'm testing it. I also don't see girth as being more stubborn than length training. You get what you focus on. Technique is everything, and that comes with practice and brainpower.

I am here to help members with good information most of these guys that are not gaining need to get their workouts correct and rest days.
Yes you are taking over my thread, What you should do is start a thread of your own.



I will get back to you soon enough have to finish up some work.

[darinsixpack Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close darinsixpack]

I recently started extending and as a result pulled something along the base of my penis and up the bottom left side of my shaft was swollen. As a result, I ive taken 5 days off and had total rest. My EQ is amazing and I've gained a little too. To me it really shows that rest is essiential in the quest. I'm doing 2 on 1 off, 2 on 2 off for a while. This includes extending which I now will do at a much lower stretch level. I'm in this for the long haul. I think so many here overlook resting time.

[Livin Life Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Livin Life]

I recently started extending and as a result pulled something along the base of my penis and up the bottom left side of my shaft was swollen. As a result, I ive taken 5 days off and had total rest. My EQ is amazing and I've gained a little too. To me it really shows that rest is essiential in the quest. I'm doing 2 on 1 off, 2 on 2 off for a while. This includes extending which I now will do at a much lower stretch level. I'm in this for the long haul. I think so many here overlook resting time.

Glad to hear that !
I heard many times people had gone on vacation or missed a week for some reason came back and measured and saw gains.


darinsixpack,
Something you may want to try 2 on 2 off Measure weekly for 4 weeks then try 2 on 3 off measure weekly and see what works best for you.

[jadzeno69 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close jadzeno69]

Im pretty new to PE, but IMO a 5/2 would be too much for me. I really enjoy 2/1/2/2 right now, which is mon/tues on, wed off, thurs/fri on, weekend off. I like a less is more approach, then if that isnt cutting it I can always add more, but at least it will let me know I wasnt overtraining.

Safe and smart, bravo.

We can be greedy bastards at times, but there is never a fast lane for PE. No need to hurry.

[Livin Life Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Livin Life]

O.K. RESULTS ARE IN !
2 weeks ago I posted I was over training, and actually lost some girth i was 5.950" MSEG and went down to 5.8 - 5.850 most days and on my best day 5.875"

Well I took a break for 3-4 days started again going 1 day on 3 days off and went back to my 6.950" in 1 week,the following week after that wich is the 2nd week keeping on my 1 day on 3 days off.
I now measured 3 times today and all 3 times measured 6.0 I FINALLY have my 6.00" MSEG and a 6.8" Base girth.

I have been saying for a while now in many threads and my own threads talking about girth, that you need rest days to grow girth, girth work is intense and needs about 72 hours to recover !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I too got caught up in doing too much and lost, so I just went back to what I know and works, it is what got me here in the 1st place.