My take on PE. and how i cured it

[Paul789 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Paul789]

depends if you still have any apt or not. If you don't then keep stretching all your muscles and keep them strong. You will find this info anywhere. If you do have apt then i would suggest what i've written above.
I have never found a comprehensive source that helped me from beginning to end. I had 2 years of trial and error, studying the body for literally hours a day. Meeting physios and chiropractors etc and seeing what knowledge they had.

Unfortunately what we have is still relatively new due to our lifestyles. Did you know we are the first generation in evolutionary history to have a shorter lifespan than our parents?
One quick tip to remember 'the chair is your enemy'

[Paul789 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Paul789]

*lifespan expectancy

[Anklepain Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Anklepain]

You need to look at lifestyle, it's the only way I completely cured mine. You don't see children with tight hips and APT.
At the base of your pelvis you have the ischial tuberosity (sitz bones) and when you sit make sure you are sat directly on these.
Many people sit slightly forwards of these, and if you are then sat 8 or so hours a day what happens is your glutes stop activating , you lose strength in your abs, your quads/hip flexors become super super tight and then you have APT.
So this is many hours a day with bad posture and contracted flexors, if you then sleep with your legs curled up that is another 8 hours with the flexors contracted.
This is why reports now say sitting is the new smoking. It causes different problems for different people and for us the weakest link it found was pelvic floor dysfunction. This APT has yanked up your hamstrings/glutes/pf and now they are working dysfunctionally. They need to be dropped and relaxed. The anterior muscles need to be stretched.

AGREE. EVERYTIME after long day of sitting my edging session would go bad! And everytime just after stretching my edging session would improve. I had 2 small taste of success in real sex in my life and both of them have same stretches just before intercourse.

And everytime waking up next to my ex, I would already feel im at PONR.

[Cachitotto Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Cachitotto]

AGREE. EVERYTIME after long day of sitting my edging session would go bad! And everytime just after stretching my edging session would improve. I had 2 small taste of success in real sex in my life and both of them have same stretches just before intercourse.

And everytime waking up next to my ex, I would already feel im at PONR.

I dont get why you say that everytime you woke up next to your ex you were at PONR. You were tense? She was just too hot? Performance anxiety?

[Anklepain Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Anklepain]

I dont get why you say that everytime you woke up next to your ex you were at PONR. You were tense? She was just too hot? Performance anxiety?

Paul789 said "So this is many hours a day with bad posture and contracted flexors, if you then sleep with your legs curled up that is another 8 hours with the flexors contracted."

[andrewvi7 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close andrewvi7]

Right, for those who are still struggling, i've developed a little exercise for you guys to try out... Called it a braced crunch.... I say i developed it since i've never seen anyone mention this before, 'i may be 1000 years too late however....

step 1: Edge as you normally do whether with porn or without until you are super close to PONR and would struggle to recover...
step 2: Breathe as much air into your belly as you can, lock out the breath, and engage your core heavily while doing a crunch, remember to HOLD that air inside your belly and lastly make sure to not engage your pelvic floor.

This is a similar act to how heavy lifters 'brace' their core for heavy lifting and maximum spinal/core stability (minus the crunch), with the only difference being that all that pressure is going to go down on your pelvic floor forcing a massive stretch. This needs to come with a warning however.... IF you've had urine leakage, organ prolapse or other weak PF symptoms, be very very VERY careful and start off light or maybe even avoid this all together.

This is basically an RK, just pushed to it's physical maximum. since the diaphragm will be locked out (hence the breath locking), the surrounding walls of the core will be locked out due to the squeezing of the core through the crunch, and the back wall of the core is locked out anyway since that's where the spine is... Meaning that you can generate enormous pressure against the pelvic floor to stretch it out while it's tensed really hard (since you're close to PONR). Just practise this a few times while you're close to PONR and feel the arousal drop from as close as 9.9 to a ... 2.... in only maybe 2-10 seconds... all while still maintaining a very good erection afterwards (my experience with this).

Also need to mention that while you can practise this outside of edging to really stretch the PF even more than hindi squats (in my experience), you also will need to practise the crunches with 0 air in the system for a good transverse abdominal contraction. It's the TVA muscle that creates pressure in the core and thus more pressure against pushing the pelvic floor down... which i believe is necessary to avoid PF shortening that causes PE. This last sentence is my theory behind the cause of PE, partly anyway. This will be included in my little ebook that im writing now, but i'll post the same routine for you guys on here once the project is complete. However try the exercise out and let me know of your experience (you guinea pigs haha)

[AManWithAPlan2 Member Find all posts View Profile Close AManWithAPlan2]

Andrew, could you describe what this looks like for you in an actual sexual encounter? Do you do this before sex, during sex, or both? I'm assuming you utilize the version with no air in the system. But for us who are learning how to do this, using the air is almost like training wheels right?

[andrewvi7 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close andrewvi7]

Andrew, could you describe what this looks like for you in an actual sexual encounter? Do you do this before sex, during sex, or both? I'm assuming you utilize the version with no air in the system. But for us who are learning how to do this, using the air is almost like training wheels right?

This is mostly for out of sex training, since the problem is that the pelvic floor doesn't want to be flexible. So it needs to be retrained to be able to go from near fully contracted (near ponr) to slightly stretched with relative ease. When that happens, a simple RK (in actual sex) will have a significantly bigger impact in reducing tension because the pelvic floor has gotten significantly more functional in increasing and decreasing tension.

Does that make any sense?

Practise your stretches, do squats, train your core and even edge with porn, lube, everything for maximum arousal, and practise these braced crunches to significantly drop tension. When you can edge to that for 30min... Get a girl and smash that shit

[Anklepain Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Anklepain]

Andrew, could you describe what this looks like for you in an actual sexual encounter? Do you do this before sex, during sex, or both? I'm assuming you utilize the version with no air in the system. But for us who are learning how to do this, using the air is almost like training wheels right?

I would like to have answer for these questions also. I want to add 1 question. Do you do this in the daily basis also for example in the weightlifting or playing soccer (without crunch)?

[andrewvi7 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close andrewvi7]

I would like to have answer for these questions also. I want to add 1 question. Do you do this in the daily basis also for example in the weightlifting or playing soccer (without crunch)?

With difficulty but yes.

Because i do 11 hour shifts at work, all while sitting, i have gotten really good at seated RKs which before were impossible. I got really strong in my core where my abs have started popping all around, my APT is a thing of the past... I just reversed all symptoms of APT form my body and the pelvic floor is just loving it as everything is becoming so much easier.

I have conscious control over my entire midsection, the mind-muscle control is madness to the point where i now can workout at the gym while entirely engaging my core for stability and not overcompensating with the pelvic floor. This of course excludes all the big lifts like deadlifting or squatting. The pelvic floor still needs to fire like crazy to complete those lifts, but that's where the functional strength part in the pelvic floor comes in.

[justanormaldick Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close justanormaldick]

Very interesting thread!

[rad5gbbr Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close rad5gbbr]

There’s been some mention of training the TVA in this thread. I recently saw a PT for various issues I have and she pointed out that my lack of activation in my deep core muscles is causing my anterior pelvic tilt more than anything else.

Just 2 weeks of training it and I’ve seen a small but promising increase in stamina.

[Jimmy_quick Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Jimmy_quick]

When specifically training abs, you will inadvertently tense the pelvic floor while working on your abdominals and that's why my pelvic floor feels so tight after a good gym session. So i make it my priority to workout my abs (which tenses the PF really hard), and then use my whole core after the workout to target my pelvic floor and release that tension while usually just walking. Does that make sense?

When contracting the abs extremely hard, usually you will contract the PF at the same time, but if the whole core is only slightly contracted to build a little pressure, i can still maintain a relaxed PF on which that pressure pushes against, stretching the PF.

Heads-up for this post. I think this is the reason behind my variable results, and the bad and good days. After core and APT workout I am not working on relaxing my PF which gets tensed during the exercises. As a result sex the same evening is a disaster...

[andrewvi7 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close andrewvi7]

There’s been some mention of training the TVA in this thread. I recently saw a PT for various issues I have and she pointed out that my lack of activation in my deep core muscles is causing my anterior pelvic tilt more than anything else.

Just 2 weeks of training it and I’ve seen a small but promising increase in stamina.

Yeah, although i got no scientific proof. My personal experience is screaming "YESSSSS!!". Training the core and TVA will have an impact on your stamina, just whatever you do, do not forget to properly RK afterwards. My suggestion is to STOP all kegel work if you're doing any as well.

[Anthony Gerio N Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Anthony Gerio N]

This is an excellent thread.
I was against RKs but I said let's do it anyway as I saw a lot of people doing it. I have cured my PreE for a while now. However, what I had done was actually relaxing and streching my Pelvic area and fixing it. I am just posting this for anyone who has even a bit of doubt that RKs work or not.
I last long for 15 20 mins so by concentrating on my back to be relaxed my breathing, arousal control and keeping my pelvic area released. It needs a lot of training and lots of effort and concentration during sex. Since I started doing RKs things are becoming much easier for me and don't have to make that much effort on relaxing.

Fixing ATP has been a great help as well (very big now that I started RKs I see how much fixing my APT already has helped my pelvic to be relaxed, I just did not know what I was doing).

Also, a point that I can add is back hunch, neck position (forward neck) and forward shoulder position also need to be fixed to help the ATP to be cured from the root. They are very important for improving the condition of the spines.