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  • #46
    Or you could go with the idea this is effectively just another opiate and dangerous .

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Tropicalpalmtree View Post
      Besides if the DEA are so concerned about adulterated products, then why ban it?
      Kratom is not banned by the DEA. It is legal on a federal level in the US.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by Physdoc View Post
        I'm an independent medical researcher and often get involved in drug development. I don't work for any big pharma or depend on their profits. I can comfortably say that the issue here isn't to protect some big pharma "cash cow." First of all, the US DEA and FDA simply don't get in cahoots with pharma companies for such a scheme. That's all fiction. Being on the inside, it's very clear that such a scheme would require impossible to get away with collusion. Secondly, most regular opiates and the like, are generic drugs with low profit margins.

        The real reason for the concern about Kratom is that it is just another substance subject to the same abuse and misuse as opium. "Hey, wanna kick your drug addiction? Just switch to taking this here drug which you will also get addicted to!" Makes zero sense. There is a long and clear history of such substances that when they become a "thing", scads of people get in the market to sell it and product quality and consistency is questionable, at best. Some people use it right, some people abuse it intentionally, others don't use it right simply because proper usage is misunderstood, and many get tainted or fake product that could be harmful. That's why the US DEA is leaning toward scheduling it, so it's available, but users require getting the benefit of a docs scripting to use it properly, and the product they get is far more likely to be of high quality. Scheduling will also deter many abusers who would then need to obtain it illegally.

        It's worth noting that among the countries that have banned Kratom are also countries where the substance is sourced. Clearly, they aren't so interested in the GNP economic boost from selling the crop. Fact is, they are the countries where the problems with Kratom started and they knew before other countries, that something needed to be done.
        Fiction?! It doesn't require "cahoots" at all. For many years running the pharmaceutical industry has been the largest lobbying group (spent the most money) in DC, spending roughly 2X the 2nd largest group every year. And since the US government has determined that their job is protect us from ourselves and tell us how to live our own lives, no wild conspiracy theories are required to see how certain substances get banned.

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        • #49
          Check the list of countries that baned it again.

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