Eliminating involuntary kegels

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You are progressing well and will find your answers.

[spanky Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close spanky]

Nice to know you think so. Gotta say I'm looking forward to getting good at this stuff and sharing it with an SO, or blowing some one-night-stand's mind... that's a hell of a payoff for the last 6-10 years I reckon

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Some women love it ,however ,for all their talk about wanting men to go all night some don't. Also some are initialy intimidated.

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I'll just have to find a nice college boy for them then. Life's too short for bad sex, and I ain't getting any younger

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Word.

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Edged for pretty much bang on an hour today, maybe a little over. A couple of things of note, the first 50 mins were pretty much constant and my arousal was totally manageable. No mini contractions like last time, just fairly steady. Then in the last 10 minutes it got a bit more precarious, and I spent the last five dancing around PONR just close enough to get the first rush of sensation I used to think meant game over, and retreating with a strong PC kegel just in time.

After doing this 10 or 15 times (with very nice feelings) i must have gone just a teeny bit too far and I lost it, but then oddly, I didn't shoot, just dribbled. A pretty heavy load, but not shooting is unusual for me. I definitely get the sense there are riches to be found spending more time right up there at the PONR, teasing it rather than fearing it.

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Uh huh.

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Just to add, to keep the thread on topic, I have next to no involuntary kegels any more. Whether that's cause or symptom of PE it's academic, it's certainly an indicator and I'm sure this change contributed to my being able to edge for 50 minutes last night at fairly high stimulation without having a single PONR.

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Just picking up on something, reading back from how I was in early January. Not fishing for compliments, rather it's something to hopefully give you some confidence if you're stumbling on this thread some time in the future...



It's now 8 weeks later, and my frenulum, which was a complete no-go area back in Jan is completely fair game now. No involuntary kegels *at all* pretty much all the way up to PONR, and penetrative sex was *fine*. If anything I'm wondering how involved my frenulum sensitivity was in my PE now. Either way it really is completely manageable now, and that's a *direct* result of kegels for overall pelvic floor strength and edging.

So get cracking, future readers, you know what to do!

my involuntary spasms are realllll extreme, I can tell around the head of my penis its much much more prevalent so the frenlum almost definitely comes into play there. What does you R to RK ratio look like % wise when it came to eliminating these spasms?

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Hey ProtoJ. I'm currently working both standard kegels and reverses equally, roughly like this

50 x short clenches with no hold
10 x approx 10 second clench and hold
for each of PC, BC, front reverse and reverse root lock.

Sometimes I'll hold the long clenches for much longer if I feel like challenging myself, so up to some arbitrary point, say until the lights change or until the commercials are over.

But that's a conditioning routine. As far as tackling them when they happen, I use a combination of PE_Zen's method of RKing right at the point the involuntaries happen, or I'll use Minuteman's method of turning every involuntary into a conscious kegel hold of 3-5 seconds, then relaxing and mentally trying to let that relaxation spread, if that makes sense.

Now some questions:
How are you trying to address it at the moment? Are you doing a routine?
How long can you hold your kegels for now?
Can you recognise all four main kegels?
Can you isolate them?

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Hey ProtoJ. I'm currently working both standard kegels and reverses equally, roughly like this

50 x short clenches with no hold
10 x approx 10 second clench and hold
for each of PC, BC, front reverse and reverse root lock.

Sometimes I'll hold the long clenches for much longer if I feel like challenging myself, so up to some arbitrary point, say until the lights change or until the commercials are over.

But that's a conditioning routine. As far as tackling them when they happen, I use a combination of PE_Zen's method of RKing right at the point the involuntaries happen, or I'll use Minuteman's method of turning every involuntary into a conscious kegel hold of 3-5 seconds, then relaxing and mentally trying to let that relaxation spread, if that makes sense.

Now some questions:
How are you trying to address it at the moment? Are you doing a routine?
How long can you hold your kegels for now?
Can you recognise all four main kegels?
Can you isolate them?

Im trying to put together a regimen now, Ive just been randomly doing both.

I can hold a kegel for a long time, minute+ definitely but Idk how strong. If I kegel when Im hard I can raise my penis but cant keep it in a raised position more then 2-3 seconds although my kegel is still held in at the same strength. I dont know if that is a sign that they are weak or not though.

I can isolate the PC but cant isolate the BC. As far as reverse go I can't isolate either but can do both.

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I'm not massively regimented either. I need to be a bi more disciplined - I think it helps

If I kegel when Im hard I can raise my penis but cant keep it in a raised position more then 2-3 seconds although my kegel is still held in at the same strength. I dont know if that is a sign that they are weak or not though.

I can't hold that for much longer myself, but I do think that's a strength thing. If you can hold just the muscle, that shows you're in good shape, and that's given me a measure of control, but I think as you (we) get them much stronger then the real benefits like total control and MMO etc start to become available.

That's a little bit of a guess to be fair, just based on my own experience that I can control them to an extent, but I can't do all the things other people can do, and I'm not 100% in control of my kegels at very high arousal.

I can isolate the PC but cant isolate the BC. As far as reverse go I can't isolate either but can do both.

maybe try while sitting up, I find I can isolate the one you feel under your balls much more easily in that position.

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when you get a involuntary kegel, what muscle is it?

[spanky Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close spanky]

Bc

[HelpMeGetBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HelpMeGetBig]

Bc

So when I get a involuntary kegel, is it better to do a reverse or normal to counter act it?