Reverse kegels 101 premature ejaculation and pelvic balance

[aka69 Member Find all posts View Profile Close aka69]

Could someone suggest me a routine? And also I'm a little new to this, what is edging?

[diesel121 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close diesel121]

Every one of your questions would be answered if you were to check out that implications thread we've mentioned. A reverse kegel is performed by the same muscle used when you force urination out. In order to get used to doing them, I'd recommend doing your kegels while going to the bathroom. While pissing, try and increase the flow by forcing the urine out....do this a few times per urination until you figure out how to isolate the muscles so that you can do them without going to the bathroom. Make sense?

*diesel

[aka69 Member Find all posts View Profile Close aka69]

Yeah it does, are there routines in the implications, it's a long read.

[spanky Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close spanky]

As you get better accustomed to the muscles involved minuteman has a link to a great set of exercises in his sig, some of which are fairly advanced.

(edit: here you go) Minuteman's Kegel Master List

don't worry if you can't do all of these now, but they should help you work out what you're aiming for.

[HelpMeGetBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HelpMeGetBig]

Hey Helpmegetbig. The spasms are caused by an unbalanced pelvic floor. I suggest reading through the implications thread that Pegasus has provided the link for. You'll find a lot of very helpful information there that will surely make things easier to understand. Also, reverse kegels should be incorporated into your routine.


*diesel

thank you

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Ok aka you would benifit from rehab exercises ,these uncontrolled kegels you get ,take the form of a kegel contraction standard front and back as I understand it. You should stop doing standard kegels and do reverse kegels only , these can be done as a group, so fine control is not required.

[spanky Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close spanky]

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[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Great thread, Peg!
Do you think this is a 4 way balance situation or two 2 way balance situations?

Actually I think the most common imbalabce is standard kegel (strong) and reverse kegel( weak) and that working reverse will cure many premature issues. However 4 way makes sense in theory and would explain a lot.

[spanky Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close spanky]

For what it's worth I recognise that the standard BC kegel and PC root lock have different effects on my arousal.

I'm not however 100% sure how much either or both are involved in involuntary spasms & tension as there's a definite difference between involuntary BC clenches and the "background" tension I feel in my pelvic floor at high arousal levels.

I'm also not skilled enough with the reverses to identify how those actually affect my arousal level. This is probably something I need to take more time over once I've got them under finer control.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

You are doing good work spanky, give yourself time.

[spanky Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close spanky]

Thanks man. It's funny how the more I learn, the less I realise I know.

[ProtoJ Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ProtoJ]

Ok first off I offer no quick fix.
You have prolonged and ongoing uncontrolled kegel type spasms and have had for many years.
Firstly do these spasms take the form of a standard kegel? If so do they take the form of front stop your piss kind or the back contract your arsehole kind or both?

Is the one where the back of the a-hole contracts bad?

I've been doing that one which Dr Lin calls anal breathing but I suffer from invovluntary PC twitching so am I just making it worse in the long run with the anal breathing?

[Mr. Optimistic Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Mr. Optimistic]

What is the best position to do reverse kegels in, I seem to have trouble doing them sitting, especially getting at those front reverse kegel muscles, any idea?
I can definitely tell that unconscious kegels are my problem, I feel it as a quick spasm that push me a great deal closer to the ponr, its like as soon as the first couple happened i am screwed. It helps to know the problem though and being able to do something about it.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Do reverse k in any position you can at first, then over time you can develop the ability to do them in different positions.
The kegel you are doing is not bad as such, however it may be contributing to your imbalance. The central question is have you improved?

[spanky Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close spanky]

I can definitely tell that unconscious kegels are my problem, I feel it as a quick spasm that push me a great deal closer to the ponr, its like as soon as the first couple happened i am screwed. It helps to know the problem though and being able to do something about it.

What I've come to recognise through doing kegels is that it's more than this for me, there's a continuous low level general "background" tension in my BC, maybe PC too, which has two effects. 1) brings on ponr as we know, and 2) makes the stronger involuntary spasms much more likely and much harder to anticipate or catch as there's less "distance" for the muscle to go.

I don't think I'll be able to fully hold off the involuntary clenches without first getting shot of that low background tension.

Does that ring true for you too? Or is that just me?