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Update 4/5
-Will need a bit of training upon the DLD blasters, will need to do some more kegel excersises before I start incorporating them into my routine.
-I discovered that my EQ is based upon stimuli in my enviroment. Ive have an raging rockhard erection when watching XXX.The conclusion is that spontanious EQ without Stimuli is not a valid thing to measure.
-Today I found out that I actually can reach deep into my inner penile organs,and even touch the ligaments "themselves" without the need of holding the penis. I am also able to stretch the inner parts of the dorsal vein if I would like. But it seems dangerous in the long run.
But hey,I have gotten a better understanding of my penile organs and that may prove beneficial in some way

Found a good picture as reference:
http://www.thegrip.com/grip/images/pages/img_disect.jpg


General comments: I will look into 2 products this week, The new designed VacADS by Autoextender.com and this Ebay item
DELUXE Penis Enlargement Stretcher Hanger ADS w/ STRAP - eBay (item 220380578867 end time May-17-09 23:24:29 PDT) .
I have spoken with the seller and asked some questions such as:

1.How many Kg will the device withstand in hanging?
2.How about the lifespan of the device? How is the quality?
3.Does it provide any protection from fluid buildup (Very common in vacuum based devices)?

Response from the seller:
"Hello! Glad to see a fellow MOS pe'ing on here, It is definitely capable of light hanging, as I hang with 4 pounds, I have yet to test its maximum capacity, but I have been hanging for 3 months using the same sleeve.
The main difference between mine and the VacAds is price, quality is the same, but his uses hard plastic to go over the soft silicone so they charge $89 for the simple kit. My deluxe kit uses vacuum for less than have the price of his. Mine is definitely longer, as people like to trim it down as they get used to it.
Most people have never used a VacADS so they need to really condition for it as the force can create fluid build up on the head of the penis, usually it takes a little building up to the ADS portion, this will happen with mine or his. Lifetime I would say is a minimum of three months, I have been using mine since the ending of January and I am already wearing it 8 hours+ a day. Quality wise, 100% pure hypoallergenic silicone in a pressure released mold provides very high quality. Don't get me wrong, I am sure there have been defects, and I can honestly say I have not yet shipped a defective product.
Hope this helps!"

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Update on routine:
Week 3, ,2:2
30 sek Stretching (12:00,15:00)
10 min Warmup,
30 sek light "Sink Stretching",
12 min (Jelq/Lig-Stretching starting at 0% erection),
1 Min Warmup,5 min (Jelq/Lig-Stretching starting at 0% erection)
5 min Ball (manual)pumping/milking.
And trought out the day : 2 Hour Ball hanging (It does not require 4 h to have low hanging balls the next day).

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"Optimism + Universal Confidence = Success!"

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5/5 Update
-Great PE routine today. 2 following days are rest days.

-Ive spoken to the Silicon ADS/Hanger seller today, he got really glad for my interest in his product and that Ive discussed new Ideas of improving it.The reward is that anyone who wants to buy from him and get their Products shipped right away will just enter a special code (PM me for it).
He will also introduce a new sleeve in the following weeks accompanied by perhaps an Extender base O.O . That would be Great

-Today Ive found an good quote about gaining and the "turtling" effect:
"Not many enjoy the retracted state, but what if this is a sign of limiting factors failing and the golden opportunity to press on. I'm just speculating, but the last time I hung for gains in '04 retraction was pretty common to some degree and I gained well.

I recall Bigger making a statement like it is easier to slice hot butter than cold, makes sense to me." - Mr.Nine

I also recall this quote about Low weight x Time = More productive than Heavy weight hanging.
"THEN, I believe that the other mechanism...the one that actually STIMULATES GROWTH...is a lower force, but it has a minimum daily requirement of something like 30 minutes." -Sparkyx


-I will also incorporate A kegel scheme in my routine based upon new facts that may prove Kegels more beneficial for me instead of being counterproductive(which short kegels are):

3.3) Kegels done right
Kegels should get rid of PE. But some people report the opposite: they've become trigger happy due to Kegels. I believe these people have done someting wrong. I have noticed it myself, and have seemingly found the way to avert it.

1) Short kegels are bad.
Make your kegels long! And strong as well. It's not the number of repetitions, it's time*force, which develop BC muscle. By doing a lot of fast kegels, you are making yourself trigger-happy. There's a good routine for Kegels I've found on one book:
Novice level: do 50 short kegels, 10 4-second ones, 50 short again.
Beginner: 100 short - 10 4-second, 5 10-second, 100 short.
Intermediate: 100 short - 20 4-second, 5 20-second, 100 short.
Advanced: 100 short, 10 10-second, 1 30-second, 50 short, 1 30-second, 100 short.
Highly advanced: 100 short, 5 20-second, 1 30-second, 50 short, 1 60-second, 50 short, 1 30-second, 100 short.
Do them every day, ONCE per day, each level for two weeks. After 2 weeks of Highly Advanced, it'd be time for serious Erect Kegeling in addition.
During long kegels, you may feel that BC muscle stutters. Chench it harder! And if you can't, better release it.
Furthermore, I think that a long kegel should be added at the end of a session - 5 to 20 seconds, proportionally to routine.

The PC muscle is like any other muscle you excercise,I have been weight lifting for a long time and have almost absolut muscle contraction controll,I can for example flex my Pecs,Biceps,Triceps,Shoulders,Back,Legs etc. well everything after about 2 weeks excercising an special muscle group. The same principle will go with the PC muscle as it is a ordinary"MUSCLE".

General thoughts: I will considere vacuum based hanging,Now I only need an proper made device.
Either the Max Vac Hanger (Sent them dozens of Emails,but they have not responded,I also sent 8-Ball an pm)

<-- Need to get in contact with them. Do you have any information about their business please share.

Or the VacADS
Or the Silicon
Or the Vlc Tugger.

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Routine update:
Update on routine:
Week 3, ,2:2
30 sek Stretching (12:00,15:00)
10 min Warmup,
30 sek light "Sink Stretching",
12 min (Jelq/Lig-Stretching starting at 0% erection),
1 Min Warmup,5 min (Jelq/Lig-Stretching starting at 0% erection)
5 min Ball (manual)pumping/milking.
And trought out the day : 2 Hour Ball hanging (It does not require 4 h to have low hanging balls the next day).
10 Slowly contracted kegels Morning/Noon/Evening (When I get strong with these I will move over too pyramid kegels to achive muscle control)


Kegel regime:
Week 1, 10 Slow reps
Week 2,15 Slow reps
Week 3,20 Slow reps
etc.

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6/5 Update
-Today is an rest day

-Found an inspiring quote that everyone should do PE based on facts about themselves (PI:s and such) and not by the majority:

Do you know I very rarely get morning wood? And in particular since I've started PE?

And yet I get every other sign of growth and positive PI's there are and of course I've done fairly well with my increases since I started. On top of that I get rock solid erection for sex and my edging/full erection jelqs sessions and have no probs keeping it up for sex,no matter how long it is....

Goes to show there is no concrete method and outcome for PE and it is all down to the individual case and response.

-kooljohn (starting stats:- dec11th2008-7.2"bpel,6" meg.Mar23rd09-8.375"bpel x 6.125"meg.
Goals-8" nbpel x 7" )

-Ive recived this email from the former Mynewsize.com Owner:

"What up c.phantasy,

Healing perfectly! Dr. Elist really came through for me.

As for the MV's we are revamping the sales page and it should be up in a week and a half or so. All MV products are top-notch. Autoextender has some nice stuff, but I've only tried a few of their products. I like the X-sleeve embedded weight. MNS definitely had a bad spell of service, but it was directly contributed to my poor health. Everything has been corrected at this point and we have a better team to provide service. I am no longer trying to do everything myself... Dan Salas is now in charge of the equipment division, he can be reached directly at 714-365-0673. I encourtage you to leave a message if you do not reach him, he will return all calls.

Regards,
BTC"

Im super glad he is recovering fast,and it seems that the MV hanger business will be up running in about 2 weeks or something.
Because I am from Sweden,it ould be difficult to call 714-365-0673 and reach Dan Salas, it would cost a lot of money,So I will ask a girl friend in the states to give him a call

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7/5 Update
-Today is an rest day,nothing new to report.
-After reading several posts & theories about kegels and Premature ejaculation,I have found the solution everyone is looking for (or at least I)
I blame the worlds PE on fast and quick kegels.
Do this procedure when doing kegels:
1.Contract your muscle slowly,it should take about 10 sek or something to contract it too 100% flexed.

It has helped me enormously.

-Ive been researching about the MV hanger concept and found an good instructional video on how too use it at :
MyNewSize™*Free Penis Enlargement Forums :: View topic - Pokey's Max-\/ac Video

Also one of PEgyms veteran members (StillWantmore) has an video that shows how to make the ultimate Ads setup (Blisterfree)
MyNewSize™ Free Penis Enlargement Forums :: View topic - Max \/ac Blister FREE (Video)

I will look into these products more and ask around at MOS,Mynewsize,T´s,Betterman,Checky cherry before I buy any of them.

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Oh man, using a pulley with that vacuum to put pressure on your penis at a 10 o'clock is intense, 10lbs too. SWM's video had a nice musical background.

I definitely agree about kegels. I like each rep to be 10 seconds. At first I started with 4 seconds and gradually increased it. I used to be able to hold a kegel tightly for an hour or so. Now, well, I haven't tried.

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Oh man, using a pulley with that vacuum to put pressure on your penis at a 10 o'clock is intense, 10lbs too. SWM's video had a nice musical background.

I definitely agree about kegels. I like each rep to be 10 seconds. At first I started with 4 seconds and gradually increased it. I used to be able to hold a kegel tightly for an hour or so. Now, well, I haven't tried.

I hear you bro
I used to do 1 sek kegels x 100 per day,the results were a mild PE.
But as you and I have discovered,slowly contracting kegels are the best excercise for PE.
I can hold an kegel about 1-2 hours at most.When you need to pee,and your holding back,you are inofficially "kegeling"

8/5 -Update
-Pegym on new legs(or servers),but Im feeling that Pegym has slowed down...what could this be? It takes me 4-ever to login.
-Did my routine today,will rest untill monday.

-Ive read more about the MV hanger device and wanted to compare it to the extender version.But the MV hanger can be used as an ADS device too and some seem to prefere it like these(Note these threads are memo´s to myself):

Using Max Vac Extender as ADS Strapped Setup - Matters of Size :: Free Penis Enlargement Forums and Exercises

"I'm using the head piece off the MV Extender...which is sold only through the mynewsize forum. I have come to prefer using the regular MV hanger chambers though for the ADS setup due to their round outer shape. I was simply testing the extender chamber with this setup when I originally started testing it out again."

MyNewSize™*Free Penis Enlargement Forums :: View topic - Weight Vs. Time debate...

"I'm sorry you didn't get a prompt response. In case you or anyone else out there still wants to know thw answer to this, I feel that the time is MUCH more important than the weight. Most of the big gainers are the ones who really dedicated themselves to this and spend a good amount of time. I use the MV as an all day stretcher attached to my ankle. It can be worn that way with a light pull for hours at a time."

-I will look into the Anchor magnetic weight ADS which 9 inch Richard really liked and reviewed at T´s.
http://www.*************.org/forum/s...d.php?t=111639
There are a lot of cheaper versions who will deliver the same good results on Ebay.
A good quote from 9_inch_Richard "

"I have a couple of interesting observations about my use of the anchor thus far:

1. I have noticed after 13.5 hours of wear during work, when I first remove it, I turtle and appear thinner than normal for awhile, as would be an expected reaction from "trauma" such as I have seen during my "zen" routine of jelqing. An immediate retraction after the session and then an amazing recovered state. A time when I seen dramatic gains. The following day after sleeping and resting, my unit is fuller, thicker and flaccid hangs nicely. These were common signs of good things to come for me in my past routines so I am quite happy with this.

2. My penis is hot! This is alluding to the fact that the magnetic properties are working as described in studies. The circulation and supply to my penis is better than it has ever been. I get a similar all day warmth from good consistent pumping and have yielded good gains. This is even more pronounced with the anchor. It feels hot enough that it actually feels as though it warms my hands.

All that said, I think this anchor product is giving me all the indication of some great things to come. I'm 6 hours in today and as usual, like wearing nothing at all. I am getting a replacement part for my andro made, then it will sterilized and up for grabs to an old schooler PE guy who is interested in it, meaning someone who has been here for some time, someone who has shown their dedication to the cause of our community over the years. "

-I have also subscribed to Olafspo VacAds thread http://www.*************.org/forum/s...hlight=olafspo

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-Pegym on new legs(or servers),but Im feeling that Pegym has slowed down...what could this be? It takes me 4-ever to login.

They had to switch to the old servers again because the new ones gave them issues and the forum was down for awhile after switching to them.

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They had to switch to the old servers again because the new ones gave them issues and the forum was down for awhile after switching to them.

Thanks for the update brother

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8/5-Update
-Rest day today
-Been trough a week without intaking anything from Dairy (No milk,No cheese etc.).
What Ive noticed: Better overall health and mood,improved Testosterone levels,Improved sleep (Man,I slept like a king everynight) etc.
Comments:Im thinking of going Raw, Ive read about the "Protein myth" and I have too say Raw diet seems the best alternative for me.



-Been reading more about stretching intensity vs time. My conclusion is giving strenght too the theory that "Low intensity x long time=better & longer permanent elongation". High intensity stretches seems bad vodoo as of now.

“With any given stretching force, the resulting proportion of plastic to elastic response depends primarily upon two stretching force variables: time and intensity. Research on these variables has produced three significant findings:
1) Short duration stretching of high intensity favors the elastic response, while prolonged duration stretching of low intensity favors the plastic response.
2) There is a direct correlation between the duration of a stretch and the resulting proportion of plastic, permanent elongation.
3) There is a direct correlation between the intensity of a stretch and the degree of either trauma or weakening of the stretched tissues.”
“To summarize, the longest period of low force stretch produces the greatest amount of permanent elongation, with the least amount of trauma and structural weakening of the connective tissues. Consequently, permanent elongation of connective tissue results in range of motion increases for the patient.”

Hepburn GR. Case Studies: Contracture and Stiff Joint Management with Dynasplint. The Journal of Orthopaedic and Sports Physical Therapy 8 (1987) 498-504.

This process could be used to explain the mechanism of the response to our PE efforts on a cellular level. Stretch of the suspensory ligaments and tunics along its long axis (hanging, extenders, manual) and circumferential stretch of the tunica with pressure by jelging and clamping (pumping?) both generate tension. This tension must have similar effects.

These studies were done with static and dynamic tension. How this relates to static stretches by hanging or with an extender, or with dynamic stretch with manual stretches or jelqing is a big unknown.


-Ive also read Miltonic´s great article about Cell growth for maximum PE growth. Summary: If you are Sore,do not do PE untill your unit has recovered (Have enough rest days between your sessions for maximum growth).

I believe your penile cells work the same way, why wouldn't they? They are cells after all. When your penis is sore, it is still in the recovery phase. If you do a PE workout and your penis is still sore, then you are breaking down the penis tissue even more, causing shrinkage or turtling. A clear sign that you need to stop, let it fully recover before doing any PE or masturbation for that matter. When you masturbate, it is much less intensity, but don't kid yourself, it's still breaking down the tissue, depending on the length of your masturbation session, and the tension. Again, the intensity.

-I will add an Cool down in extended state at the end of my workout routine.
New routine will look like:
2 days on 2 days off followed by a
1 day on 2 days off.

30 Sek Stretching (12:00,15:00)
10 min Warmup
40 sek x 4 "Sink stretching" (Light tension)
60 sek x 4 "Bundle stretching" in "Sink stretching" mode. (Moderate tension)
1-3 min Warmup
5 Min slow jelq/stretch (12:00)
5 min Ball manual pump/milking.
Cooldown in the sink,using cold water on stretched penis. 1 Minute seems fine (If you have any suggestion on this please share)
Troughout the day: BTC stretch (Penis between thighs holding it in place) whenever Im at the computer. I like these better than fowfers. Which I got inspired to add due to this thread BTC as ADS - Thunder's Place Free Penis Enlargement Forums

-Ive talked to Mgus (Member at T´s) and concluded that the LOT theory has been kicked to death.

General comment regarding the routine: Ive noticed a nice flaccid and great night EQ during this routine,
I will stick with this one for about 2 weeks and then add some intensity too the stretching.
I will also add my special excercise called " B-stretch x MOAL Stretch" soon(It is the ultimate tunica stretch).

Experiment of the day (Or should I say Night)
"Sleeping with Girtha Tucks" (Lying sideways and tucking your flaccid ,and ev.your balls too, between your legs..)
I will report results in 3 days.
I will quote big Girtha on this

I do suggest however a very simple routine I call BED FOWFERS. I used to call them Pillow Fowfers, but lately I’ve found it works better without the pillow. This exercise works best if you sleep nude. Simply tuck your flaccid dick between your legs and sleep on your side. Most people sleep on their side most of the night anyway, but this can be done even if you sleep on your back, you just need to start out on your side. After a little while your body heat makes the inside of your thighs a literal penis magnet. Once that sucker is tucked in there and body heat builds up it will STAY tucked, even when you toss and turn during the night. You may have to retuck once and a while, especially if you are one of these sleepers that tosses their bed partner off into the floor during the night. It is very easy to keep that dick tucked between your legs. After a while you’ll get so that the retuck is involuntary. When the time of night, or morning comes when REM sleep takes you deep under, you won’t have to worry about it. Your nocturnal erections will pull that sleeping penis right of its warm cradle and do it’s healing. During this time you don’t have to worry about turtling, because you will be hard. The minute Mother Nature is done with her little healing episode you will be waking up for the day. Before you get out of bed, reach over to your night stand and get your lead ring, slip it on and start your day.

Source: Don't Measure it, Weigh it. - Thunder's Place Free Penis Enlargement Forums

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10/5 -update
-Restday today.
-Have done BTC troughout the day when I have been sitting (Total time~ 3-4 hours).
-Tomorrow is begins a new Sprint training Routine:

Operation :Bloodflow,Testosterone increase,improved Oxygen intakte,better overall health and mood.

1 HIIT session before dinner (Mellan bänkarna),1 Run before bedtime(Bort till gården).
Other things following the routine:
*No dairy,No milk or cheese.
*1 hand pumpkin seeds every morning
*Warrior diet as usual,eating raw vegetables troughout the day. Cycling High Carb/Low carb days.
High Carb days = 2 Cups of Oatmeal porrige post dinner, Low Carb : ½ Oatmeal post dinner.
*Stretching done before workout to improve workout.
*My focus is not fatloss or anything stupid like that,it is to improve my bodys cardio health.
*Drink some water 15 min before Exercise.

Things too keep in mind: As your body improves in aerobic excercises,it will turn more and more to burn fat.Even though this is not a goal.

Next weeks routine:
Operation :Fatloss (Combat Gynecomastia) Bloodflow,Testosterone increase,improved Oxygen intakte,better overall health and mood.
*HIIT morning,Before dinner,before bedtime. I will do 100 Burpees per day.


-Found an interesting log from Sta-Kool at T´s and will add this following "optmisim training technique" too my daily life.
Some inspiring words from braindrain:

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Originally Posted by braindrain
I also plan to stay positive. I know that I can make the most incredible gains that anyone has ever seen all it will take is consistency.

That reminds me of the "rubber band trick." This really worked for me last year working toward fitness goals. I am betting it will work well with PE too:

http://thefitnesstech.blogspot.com/...ing-rubber.html

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Using A Rubber Band . . . can be a useful tool when faced with negative thoughts or giving in to your bad food cravings.

Most, if not all of your success in achieving your fitness or any other goal will depend on your mental approach. Your thoughts and emotions lead to your actions, which in turn, lead to your results.

Renowned sports psychologist Dr. Jack Singer developed a useful trick he uses with his athletes to help replace negative thoughts. He has them wear a rubber band (the thick kind you find in post offices or office buildings) around their wrist and when they catch themselves thinking a negative thought ("I can't run that fast, I'm gonna lose," for example), they snap the rubber band on their wrist and replace that thought with a positive one ("I'm fast and will win!"). Even if the positive statement is not true, just saying it helps put you in a positive state of mind, which is the key to success.

You can even put this trick to work outside the gym when being tempted by the creme brulee' for dessert, or the krispy kreme doughnuts your co-worker brought in. When you find yourself tempted to cheat, just snap the rubber band on your wrist and, for example, say, "I've worked too hard in the gym to mess up outside of it, my goal is too important to me, or I'm a stronger person than that." Keep in mind, this trick takes practice, you won't change your mindset overnight, but, just like anything, the more you do it correctly, the better you'll get at it.

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-Ive read Wadzillas intervue with a Big gainer,and Ive decided that I will soon add some stretching post jelqing. Read more at Speaking to Big Gainer soon - Thunder's Place Free Penis Enlargement Forums

EDIT: HEY IVE GOT AN CONCLUSION THAT WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT IF IT IS TRUE,IF YOU DO INTENSE STRETCHING YOUR TUNICA MAY BECOME HARDER TO STRETCH BECAUSE THE TUNICA ADAPTS BY MAKING THE FIBRES HARD TO RESIST THE STRETCH,THE ONLY WAY TO FOOL THE TUNICA IS TOO HAVE AN LIGHT PULL OVER TIME! Sorry for the Capslock but I really got excited about this theory.

I will quote Wadzilla on this

been,
I've totally rethought my attitude on "intensity." I no longer believe that pulling like a maniac will help length gains. In fact, I believe it's counterproductive. When I pulled the hardest, I did get some quick gains (about 0.25" EL in a few weeks), but I quickly plateaued - big time.

I believe that very high intensity traction (be it stretching or hanging) tends to strengthen the tissues too much, too quickly. I now believe that's why my "window of growth" was always slammed so quickly. That guy never pulled very hard, he just increased his stretch time. I know that stretching can be a drag, but there's really no way to speed up the length gains. And, consider how those traction devices work - very low intensity over long periods of time.

As far as increasing your hanging weights, Bib said many times that you should only do this when you must. In other words, when the weight you've been using just doesn't fatigue you anymore. As he said, hanging isn't a weight lifting competition.

Light force x time =No need for rest days+ Success

From now on,all of my stretches will be very light pull and I will improve the volume,not the intensity troughout time.

-I will also change my Jelqing to pre Stretching.

Routine Update:
30 Sek Stretching (12:00,15:00)
10 min Warmup
10 min Jelqing (12:00)
40 sek x 4 "Sink stretching" (Light tension)
60 sek x 4 "Bundle stretching" in "Sink stretching" mode. (Light tension)
1-3 min Warmup
5 Min slow jelq/stretch (12:00)
5 min Ball manual pump/milking.
Cooldown in the sink,using cold water on stretched penis. 1 Minute seems fine (If you have any suggestion on this please share)
Troughout the day: BTC stretch (Penis between thighs holding it in place) whenever Im at the computer. I like these better than fowfers. Which I got inspired to add due to this thread BTC as ADS - Thunder's Place Free Penis Enlargement Forum

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11/5 -Update
-Yesterday was super wonderful! I avoided PONR by a slow kegel and learned about Dry orgasms.
I also got an monster erection!Damn,that thing was powerful!
Read more at: https://www.pegym.com/forums/gym/463...onr-kegel.html
Slowly squezzed kegels are the best there is!
-Great PE Session today. Ive tried the cooldown and am curious how it will affect my gains.
-Ive done BTC today and found them easier to do than before,it stretches a bit of the skin too which is really important for a nice flaccid hang and erection quality (Tight Skin may restrict your flaccid). More to read at Skin - PE's X Factor! - Thunder's Place Free Penis Enlargement Forums

-Ive read The witchdoctors post about different PE gainers:

What ever you are doing don't stop! It is working. The word intensity scares me it reminds me of "Ouch." So if you think the 90 day is to intense then modify it. There are three different types of PE'rs. Ofcourse this is my theory and i can be dead wrong.

Hardgainers: Hardgainers don't gain with intense routines, this was proven over at Thunders. A shorter less intense program works best for hardgainers.

Medium gainers: pretty much grow from any type of PE, example I am a medium gainer. I would class the 90 day as a medium intense program. I did something very simular to from the begining 4 years ago.

Iron dicks: These guys can stand heavier routines and seem to do well by them and they never get injured. You can run over thier erect dicks and it still can get an erection the next day.They can squeeze the very life out of the peckers and they still grow.

The thing about gainers is what kind of intensity they will grow from.

-I concluded a theory about why intense stretches are restricting lenght gains and aiding girth gains (Check PE theory section) or read this copy of my post:

Hey Guys! Ive read a lot of Wadzillas work over at T´s (Ive studied his interview with the famous "Big gainer")and I wanted to share a theory with you:
When our body is exposed to intense exercise or intense stretching,it begins to adapt to the situation making the targeted area "stronger".
I would like to apply this theory on stretching. When we stretch very intense,our body gets a feedback saying "Something is pulling our penis with an very hard force,it may break the penis".The body then adapts to the intense stretch by adding more girth to counter the stretching effect.
But with light stretching,our body do not get that feedback and does not really care about the stretching,this makes our body open to adjustements such as lenght gains.
What Im proposing is that

Intense stretching = Restricting lenght gains by Adding Girth gains( as an Defense)

This could explain why some gain girth from doing stretches but no lenght at all. The tunica adapts to intense stretces by becoming harder and stronger (Which makes the lenght gains much harder to achive).

Solution:

Light,Easy,high volume Stretches = Easy lenght gains over time. (Reason why BTC/ADS/Fofwers etc. has worked for many)

If Girth is your goal= Use intense stretching.


-I will change my HIIT routine to 1 HIIT per day,but make the HIIT session longer as I progress.

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-Ive also read sparkyx article about finding out what kind if your a less or more guy at : Is LESS more, or is MORE more? - Thunder's Place Free Penis Enlargement Forums .

Perhaps I will try different experiments to determine what kind of gainer I am. Perhaps an very basic jelq & stretching routine?

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12/5 -Update
-Today´s PE workout was great!
-Been doing BTC:s as much as I can,these are much easier to do now

-My Balls have definetly gotten a lot bigger since I started PE and ejaculation sessions. Thanks Supra

-Ive read about DLD:s new stretching focusing on "stretching only the inner penis" which is based upon the theories that the Penis is actually 3 parts/areas which can be stretched seperately. ----Area 1------Area 2---------Area 3---"The glans"

Basicly I belive that you can stretch the inner penis by doing an A stretch with the "pipe" very close to you inner penis. Have the pipe behind your scrotum,then do an A stretch with it and as you pull gently downwards with your penis you should pull the "pipe" upwards if you can (not really needed).
When you stretch this way,focus is very much on the area close to the pipe,which in this case is "The inner penis".

Put your Pipe on top of your legs and it will be much easier.
I tried to be an artist today to show an illustration on what I mean. *Hey,at least I tried*

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Illustration

The F1 and F2 are diveded between hand N.1 and hand N.2.
Hand N.1 Pulls the pipe upwards and hand N.2 Pulls the penis downwards.