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  • #76
    Originally posted by Lucian View Post
    Do not fret Norseman. There is a reason there are two pills. Everyone is free to see the world as they choose. You chose red, others choose blue.

    This almost feels religious to me. The people who cannot accept your viewpoint feel so obligated to sit here and try to tell you you're wrong instead of going on their merry way and not participating. It is sad. For this I recommend just leaving this thread or requesting it close and find a different avenue for your discussion. I understand you want to talk with similar-minded individuals, but it is clear from the comments you will not find them here. Good luck
    Yeah I agree. I figured this thread would go one or two ways. Everyone has an opinion but I dont go digging around other peoples threads trying to disprove them. People love to knock the red pill but I have yet to hear any real counter arguments backed by statistics. I've had several people message me saying how much rollos books have changed their lives and so to me it was worth it. But as for the haters I could really care less at this point and will not entertain them anymore. I already told one of the mods he can close this thread if he wants

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    • #77
      We don't close threads, atleast mods don't. If you want this thread to end my advice is to just simply stop posting in it. If someone else wants to start it back up they have the right to do so according to the policies of Semprove just as you have the right to ignore that person.
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      • #78
        So it is simply red or blue. No other choices, no other alternatives, either follow this path of the other path. My experience with the other sex is so unique apparently that nobody can reproduce. Forget what others experiences are, just read a book and take it to heart. Think about that.

        30 plus years with my wife, no red or blue anything, just two people having a blast at life. Would love for all of you to have the same experience. Told my wife today "You make me happy", and "you are my best friend". She says you are being sappy again, I was strong until she said that. Tears started swelling....I'm such a sap. Told her I was fine until she mentioned something. She is an awesome girl - no doubt I am lucky. Find that relationship and you will be good for life. Doesn't take PUA type stuff, only a true honest presentation of you. Takes time, wait and be patient, it will find you.

        Or red/blue or what ever - be real and find someone compatible and have fun. Worked for me.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by TheZZMan View Post
          So it is simply red or blue. No other choices, no other alternatives, either follow this path of the other path. My experience with the other sex is so unique apparently that nobody can reproduce. Forget what others experiences are, just read a book and take it to heart. Think about that.

          30 plus years with my wife, no red or blue anything, just two people having a blast at life. Would love for all of you to have the same experience. Told my wife today "You make me happy", and "you are my best friend". She says you are being sappy again, I was strong until she said that. Tears started swelling....I'm such a sap. Told her I was fine until she mentioned something. She is an awesome girl - no doubt I am lucky. Find that relationship and you will be good for life. Doesn't take PUA type stuff, only a true honest presentation of you. Takes time, wait and be patient, it will find you.

          Or red/blue or what ever - be real and find someone compatible and have fun. Worked for me.
          No offense, but that sounds like a simp thing to say. I never tell women things like that. To each their own.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by BBC Action View Post
            No offense, but that sounds like a simp thing to say. I never tell women things like that. To each their own.
            In my opinion, I think the dynamic sort of changes as women age. Women want "alpha males" when they are younger (18-27 or so) and then once they "hit the wall", they realize they need to find a man to settle down with so they tend to be more tolerant of "simp behaviors" if you will. It's all part of accepting what they cannot change. Now maybe that's just another way of saying "growing up."
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            • #81
              Originally posted by HansTwilight View Post
              In my opinion, I think the dynamic sort of changes as women age. Women want "alpha males" when they are younger (18-27 or so) and then once they "hit the wall", they realize they need to find a man to settle down with so they tend to be more tolerant of "simp behaviors" if you will. It's all part of accepting what they cannot change. Now maybe that's just another way of saying "growing up."
              Well said.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by HansTwilight View Post
                In my opinion, I think the dynamic sort of changes as women age. Women want "alpha males" when they are younger (18-27 or so) and then once they "hit the wall", they realize they need to find a man to settle down with so they tend to be more tolerant of "simp behaviors" if you will. It's all part of accepting what they cannot change. Now maybe that's just another way of saying "growing up."
                Hmm seems to me many women want to be treated with respect regardless of age . As you say some grow into it .
                Wouldn't say that is being "tolerant" or" accepting what you cannot change " but meh. Some have low self esteem for life of course .

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by TheZZMan View Post
                  So it is simply red or blue. No other choices, no other alternatives, either follow this path of the other path...
                  Note how the dualism can be seen in other areas, like politics. One doesn't have to choose one or the other as there are almost always other options!
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                  • #84
                    So it is simply red or blue. No other choices, no other alternatives, either follow this path of the other path. My experience with the other sex is so unique apparently that nobody can reproduce. Forget what others experiences are, just read a book and take it to heart. Think about that.
                    It should NEVER be either or, there's grey areas to everything. I would say anyone who thinks otherwise has trouble understanding people in general. Like I said, all "red pillers" think differently.

                    Note most people in the red pill overgeneralize to the point where their ideas can become illogical.
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Pegasus View Post
                      Hmm seems to me many women want to be treated with respect regardless of age . As you say some grow into it .
                      Wouldn't say that is being "tolerant" or" accepting what you cannot change " but meh. Some have low self esteem for life of course .
                      It's all about how you look at it, some women are sluts, some women are wife-material.
                      Red pill likes to overgeneralize and say, "All women are sluts when they are young, they grow up, settle down with a beta male provider, then cheat on him with an "alpha fucks". Now that may be true to some women, but there are always exceptions to that. Again, red pill logic does NOT apply to all women. Hypergamy, strong emotional capacity of women, feminine imperatives and social conventions may, but that doesn't mean, "All women are sluts", "All women like assholes", "all women will cheat," Yada yada yada.

                      I never said young women don't want to be treated with respect. I never even mentioned anything about respect! What I am saying is that their tastes in men change as they get older. Older women are typically more attracted to a man who has assets and stability as opposed to his social status. There tends to be a red pill stereotype that these types of men are "beta male providers". I don't entirely agree with that. I think men can exhibit alpha male traits with women while being financially secure and stable.

                      To put it best into perspective think about it like this. Red pillers (I will admit that I do this too sometimes) have views that are mostly centered around women so they have a tendency to say something like "Women are like this", or "women are like that." Now, what they are really saying is "Some women are like this," "Some women are like that", but since they are talking about women in particular it's easier to refer to them as a whole. They (or atleast I am) are aware that there are exceptions, they just neglect to mention the exceptions.

                      On a final word, I don't share most of the same beliefs and opinions of most other red pillers, a lot of them are cynical and irrational.
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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by BBC Action View Post
                        No offense, but that sounds like a simp thing to say. I never tell women things like that. To each their own.
                        Hey, hang with the same woman for over 30 years and you WILL say things like that to her. Personally, you have know idea what a long term relationship involves. So, you got some growing up to do as far as I am concerned. This past weekend, was just wonderful with the same girl I have been with as long as I can remember.

                        Obviously, you have never told anyone that you love them. What a shame........

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by TheZZMan View Post
                          Hey, hang with the same woman for over 30 years and you WILL say things like that to her. Personally, you have know idea what a long term relationship involves. So, you got some growing up to do as far as I am concerned. This past weekend, was just wonderful with the same girl I have been with as long as I can remember.

                          Obviously, you have never told anyone that you love them. What a shame........
                          You're right. I never told my girl I love her, but she knows I do. Secondly I'm 21, I don't need to settle down. There's nothing I will gain from a relationship that I can't get from friends with benefits. Maybe dating was different 40 years ago for you than it is now. As far as I'm concerned, women my age aren't dating material. Don't get your panties in a bunch, old man.

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                          • #88
                            What is simp anyway ? The vocab of red pill seems to have a lot of negative words for people that don't think like them is it one of them?

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by HansTwilight View Post
                              It's all about how you look at it, some women are sluts, some women are wife-material.
                              Red pill likes to overgeneralize and say, "All women are sluts when they are young, they grow up, settle down with a beta male provider, then cheat on him with an "alpha fucks". Now that may be true to some women, but there are always exceptions to that. Again, red pill logic does NOT apply to all women. Hypergamy, strong emotional capacity of women, feminine imperatives and social conventions may, but that doesn't mean, "All women are sluts", "All women like assholes", "all women will cheat," Yada yada yada.

                              I never said young women don't want to be treated with respect. I never even mentioned anything about respect! What I am saying is that their tastes in men change as they get older. Older women are typically more attracted to a man who has assets and stability as opposed to his social status. There tends to be a red pill stereotype that these types of men are "beta male providers". I don't entirely agree with that. I think men can exhibit alpha male traits with women while being financially secure and stable.

                              To put it best into perspective think about it like this. Red pillers (I will admit that I do this too sometimes) have views that are mostly centered around women so they have a tendency to say something like "Women are like this", or "women are like that." Now, what they are really saying is "Some women are like this," "Some women are like that", but since they are talking about women in particular it's easier to refer to them as a whole. They (or atleast I am) are aware that there are exceptions, they just neglect to mention the exceptions.

                              On a final word, I don't share most of the same beliefs and opinions of most other red pillers, a lot of them are cynical and irrational.
                              Well on the irrational part the link between assets/earning power and social status are very strong most especially in the US . The rest of society might in effect view this totally differently than red pill , their mind games don't have me thinking they are "alpha " just that they are boorish and immature.

                              By the way i reject red pill entirely that is just one point i wanted to focus on this post.

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                              • #90
                                Eventually women get tired of being treated like shit, meets a guy that genuinely gives a damn and treats her with respect and never wants to let him go. There are phases everyone goes through. My policy has always been to do the right thing and treat others better than they deserve. No need for ego boosting dominant mind set. Nobody owes me a dime, I earn everything.
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