Are you a man? Or a male?

[Thrill Drill Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Thrill Drill]

So, I'm kind of disgruntled after reading so many of these post on here about how my wife/gf left me. Am I good enough... I need to win her back, blah, blah, blah... First I'd like to say this is for men only... Or should I say males to read. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but ladies if you do read this, please remember that I am asking you not to read this in the first place. This is for all you guys who don't know what happened to your girl, or you just can't seem to get one or meet one etc. I didn't write this! It's a collection of posts from an online forum I came across 2 years ago. It changed my life... I hope it changes yours too!!!

The Book of Pook

Haven't read the entire thread, but wanted to also throw this out there:

Don Juan Bible

Read the 3 posts in Step one and the first 2 in Step two. It will either change your life and you can continue reading or, if you hate it, you never have to look at it again. Worth a shot. Changed my life

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I've actually read the entire Don Juan bible. The only problem I have, is that I am not interested in being a PUA(pick up artist), or anything of the sort. Those guys will say and do anything to get with women. Although it does have a lot of good information in it, I take it all with a grain of salt. I kind of live by this mantra from now on -
"Why work really hard to get one girl, when you can work hard on yourself and get all the girls!"
And no I'm not conceited either!!! I know I'm not going to get every girl I look at. But, I'm attracting more and more beautiful women as time goes on by only improving myself. And I'm not only interested in beauty, I want a winner. A woman who has her act together and fits into my life and I fit into hers perfectly...

[Thrill Drill Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Thrill Drill]

I've actually read the entire Don Juan bible. The only problem I have, is that I am not interested in being a PUA(pick up artist), or anything of the sort. Those guys will say and do anything to get with women. Although it does have a lot of good information in it, I take it all with a grain of salt. I kind of live by this mantra from now on -
"Why work really hard to get one girl, when you can work hard on yourself and get all the girls!"
And no I'm not conceited either!!! I know I'm not going to get every girl I look at. But, I'm attracting more and more beautiful women as time goes on by only improving myself. And I'm not only interested in beauty, I want a winner. A woman who has her act together and fits into my life and I fit into hers perfectly...

Great post, and I agree with it completely.

In fact, Pook himself stated in his 'Fifteen Lessons' (first post of Step 2 in the Don Juan Bible) that "You cannot fully know the principles of this website until you leave it." And he was correct.

I started reading the DJ Bible around this time last year. I did not get through the entire thing. I got to the second post in 'Step 5' and stopped. Why? Last April, I had just gotten out of a class here at Uni. I started to make my way home (I walk). I got off the school property, crossed the first intersection and stopped. I stood there for about a minute- although it seemed like much longer- looking in both directions, one leading home, one back towards school. I started walking back towards Uni and convinced myself that I wouldn't leave until I had asked at leastone girl for her phone number. I knew that I could read as much of the DJ Bible as I wanted but until I started putting it in practice, it didn't mean anything.

Long story short, it was my first time asking a girl out and I didn't really know what to do, I circled the campus maybe half a dozen times until I found a girl who was sitting by herself away from everybody else, I was too frightened to ask someone out in front of other people so decided to ask her instead. I was still scared to told myself that I'd walk to the library and back and if she was still there, I'd try and get her number and if not, it wasn't my fault that she left. Well she was still there and I forced myself to sit down next to her, we made conversation for like 1-2 minutes after which time I asked for her number and she told me that she was already seeing someone else, I don't know if she was telling the truth but I was extremely proud of myself for having done what I promised myself I'd do.

I went back the next day and tried it again on another girl. This time it worked and I got her number If I recall correctly, I've written about a few of these experiences in my PE log here on this website.

I lost interest in relationships soon afterwards so haven't done this as much as I'd have like to but since that time last year, I have still asked out a handful of different girls. Some have told me they had BFs (don't know if they were lying or not), one told me she was a lesbian lol, others looked like they couldn't wait for me to leave, a few have rolled their eyes when I told them they were cute and then there are others who smiled, laughed and gladly gave me their numbers. The interesting thing is that none of this had anything to do with looks. I had an extremely good looking girl (like 9/10) roll her eyes and let out a sigh when I told her she was cute and then the next day, a 9.5/10 was super friendly and willing to give me her number even though she already had a BF (I declined).

This leads me to believe that looks are not the most important factor when it comes to picking up girls. My success rate has gone up since I first started and this is mainly down to more confidence in myself and less nervousness around girls. I used to worry a lot about whether she would give me her number or not. Now it doesn't really matter because I only care about getting better, if she says no, instead of mooping and feeling sad, I ask myself what I could have done differently to have had a better chance of getting the contact. In a lot of ways, this is a science. And you get better with experience.

I'll give you a recent example, from earlier this week. I was at Uni in the library on the computers. A good looking girl, easily an 8.5-9/10 on the average guy's scale, walks in and sits down at the computer across from mine. There's about 5 other guys in the library, sitting behind her, checking her out the entire time. A few of these guys I would rate as better looking than me. Anyways, she's in there for about 2 hours working on something for a class. During those 2 hours, she got up a few times to go to the waterfountain, washroom and bottom floor to get a snack to eat. Every time she stood up, the other guys couldn't keep their eyes off of her. She literally had one of the nicest asses and tits you'd ever see on a girl. I don't mean that in a demeaning way lol, it is the truth and itis obviously why they kept staring at her

Anyways so a few of these guys eventually got up and left and some stayed. Then finally, she starts packing her bag and leaving. The guys who stayed didn't do anything, they just stared at her from behind their computer screens. This floor of the library is the silent study area and so you can't speak there. So I get up and leave before her and stand outside the room. When she gets there, I look her in the eye, smile, take out a pencil and piece of paper, hand it to her and tell her (not ask her to, but tell her to) write down her phone number because I thought she was cute. She started laughing, like she was embarassed and covered her mouth, then took the pencil/paper and wrote down her number. Within 10 seconds, I had her contact.

And this wasn't the first time either. I have noticed that I have better luck when I cut the BS and just go straight for the number. Girls aren't stupid, they know why we're talking to them and a lot of them appreciate the up-front honesty. The trick to getting a girls number this way is eye-contact, smiling, standing up straight and speaking with authority.

There are very few guys out there who have the balls to walk up to a good looking girl and straight up tell her to give them the phone number. Even among the good-looking/hot/cute guys, not a lot of them do stuff like that. So when a guy does do it, it sets him apart from the rest. Take it from me, I had cystic acne back in High School and my own sister reminds me on a daily basis that I am far from having movie-star good looks lol, just a few years ago girls didn't want to have anything to do with me and I can tell you with absolute conviction that when it comes to attracting females, nothing is more important than confidence and social skills. And the best way to build confidence and social skills is to go out and practice. I remind myself before every attempt that I am not going to be marrying this girl, she is just practice and it takes the pressure off. If she says no, I don't have to speak to her ever again. But one day I will meet a girl who is awesome and everything I have ever wanted and I will be everything she has ever wanted and that is the girl I will be marrying. All of this is practice for her. She will think "wow! he is such a good conversationalist and he is so sexy, he has so much confidence and I am so happy he chose me because there are a dozen other girls who are also interested in him, I must be the luckiest girl in the world!". But that will never happen if I don't get better with girls and I can't get better with girls if I never practice

Oh yeah and that girl from the library? We are going out this weekend. The only difference between me and those other guys (some of whom were better looking than me) is that I had the balls to get up and ask for her number while they are content with just jacking off to her mental image at night. That is really the only different. And that is the only purpose of the Don Juan Bible, you can't rely on it forever but it gives you that initial kick in the butt to go out there and start practicing this stuff.

I can't really remember why I started typing this out lol I reread the entire thing and idk if it has a whole lot to do with the topic but meh it took me a while to type it up so I'll post it anyways hahaha. Hopefully somebody finds something in it useful and if anybody has questions, wants tips or whatever, I will be glad to help in any way possible, you can ask on here, in my PE progress log or shoot me a PM because I used to be the guy who would spend his nights reading online material about how to get better with women and get a girlfriend and I can tell you that most of it is BS and is no where near as effective as going out there and learning from your own experiences.

Peace

[Bigdaddy55 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Bigdaddy55]

Out of curiosity, define "being a little wussy" and how is society promoting that.

Richie Incognito is a big bully and Jonathan Martin is a helpless victim. Many people(especially women) saying that the football locker room needs to drop the old barbarian image of what a man is .

[jedimaster Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close jedimaster]

Idk....I think I am a male.....but I have been wrong before.... lol jk

[MrB8 Senior Member Member of the Month Nov 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close MrB8]

Richie Incognito is a big bully and Jonathan Martin is a helpless victim. Many people(especially women) saying that the football locker room needs to drop the old barbarian image of what a man is .

Can you please explain this in non sport or car terms/references.

[DaddyDick Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close DaddyDick]

Threads like this make me laugh.

I do not pretend to be macho, tough, or a bad ass because I am not. It may have stemmed from being short and underweight for over half of my life. Genetics just did not give manly for me. In high school I did not get a number from a girl until I was a Junior. At a whopping 5'6", 130 pounds, with hips as wide as many girls and shoulders to match, quite a few boys were interested in me. Clearly not an 'Alpha' class male and probably low on the 'Beta' scale to.

I was sure that I was going to be gay because only boys were interested in me until my Junior year of high school. So, I was well on my way to losing my 'girl virginity' one night with a girl, but just gave up because it was not happening. I still lost mine that night! I was sleeping on my back and she climbed on top, held me down, and rode me until I busted balls deep. I would like to point out how 'not macho' this is. I hear other stories about how guys tear it up and blah blah blah. I guess this is how a 'beta-male' lost his.

Anyhow, this girl and I had a relationship for about three years and I ended it because it was just time to move on in my life. Too much drinking and smoking. If I would have known that it would be followed up with a three year dry spell I probably would have played this out differently.

Moving this story along. I did not give up. Being bi-sexual was not as easy 15 or 20 years ago as it is today. Many women would not even look at the possibility, but now it seems much more accepted. Whatever, after years of struggle, this bi-sexual found a female bisexual and life is good.

Everyone knows that life is a fucked up game. You better know the board, know your piece, know your move, and know what you want if you are going to get anything. I suggest that you men position yourself so that you will be ready to take what you want when it is available.

Am I a PUA? Hell no! My wife says that I am the best wife a wife could as for.

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Threads like this make me laugh.

I do not pretend to be macho, tough, or a bad ass because I am not. It may have stemmed from being short and underweight for over half of my life. Genetics just did not give manly for me. In high school I did not get a number from a girl until I was a Junior. At a whopping 5'6", 130 pounds, with hips as wide as many girls and shoulders to match, quite a few boys were interested in me. Clearly not an 'Alpha' class male and probably low on the 'Beta' scale to.

I was sure that I was going to be gay because only boys were interested in me until my Junior year of high school. So, I was well on my way to losing my 'girl virginity' one night with a girl, but just gave up because it was not happening. I still lost mine that night! I was sleeping on my back and she climbed on top, held me down, and rode me until I busted balls deep. I would like to point out how 'not macho' this is. I hear other stories about how guys tear it up and blah blah blah. I guess this is how a 'beta-male' lost his.

Anyhow, this girl and I had a relationship for about three years and I ended it because it was just time to move on in my life. Too much drinking and smoking. If I would have known that it would be followed up with a three year dry spell I probably would have played this out differently.

Moving this story along. I did not give up. Being bi-sexual was not as easy 15 or 20 years ago as it is today. Many women would not even look at the possibility, but now it seems much more accepted. Whatever, after years of struggle, this bi-sexual found a female bisexual and life is good.

Everyone knows that life is a fucked up game. You better know the board, know your piece, know your move, and know what you want if you are going to get anything. I suggest that you men position yourself so that you will be ready to take what you want when it is available.

Am I a PUA? Hell no! My wife says that I am the best wife a wife could as for.

Hahaha great post. The story of how you lost your virginity is exactly like the last girl I hooked up with haha. I remember nodding off and her asking "why are you shaking your head?" After that I knew I had to wake up haha. So awkward.

[Jay1983 Senior MemberMember of the Month Apr 2014, Sept 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Jay1983]

I'm a male, but the peen in my pants is the man.

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Great post Thrill... Glad your using the principles to get yourself out there and enjoy your life!
I see so many men walking around with their heads hung low, wondering how they got to where they are in their life!

[AlpineNewt Senior Member Member of the Month Sept 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close AlpineNewt]

This all sounds like "bro-science" to me. I'll just use the tried and tested: Go out, get drunk and see who you wake up next to method. Hooray!

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If anyone is interested in some more stuff theirs tons of it out there.
You can google return of kings, or go to reddit, red pill(TRP).
I personally don't think it's bro-science, I'm an educated person with street smarts and I don't fall prey to bad or suspect advice. Their is thousands of men on there to quantify the advice given.

[trepan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close trepan]

Love this thread!.... I wish I had access to this kind of info 20yrs ago.

[Roguish75 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Roguish75]

If anyone is interested in some more stuff theirs tons of it out there.
You can google return of kings, or go to reddit, red pill(TRP).
I personally don't think it's bro-science, I'm an educated person with street smarts and I don't fall prey to bad or suspect advice. Their is thousands of men on there to quantify the advice given.

This

but you can't make a man take the red pill.

and there are so many haters, so many so invested in their existing beliefs, so many white knights; all against you and telling everyone not to listen to you.

so many men who think they know about relationships because they are married, when their wives actually picked them, they felt gratitude for being picked because they don't value themselves, their wives set the frame for the relationship, and even let them feel like they are in charge, so then these guys can talk about how they are "alpha" when the truth is they are owned.

Supplication, apologizing for everything they say and do, or being afraid to say what they want, all engrained to such a level they actually think they are in manly in charge guys.

Its sickening once your eyes are opened.

[ThinJohnny Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ThinJohnny]

This

but you can't make a man take the red pill.

and there are so many haters, so many so invested in their existing beliefs, so many white knights; all agaisnt you and telling everyone not to listen to you.

so many men who think they know about relationships becuase they are married, when their wives actually picked them, they felt gratitude for being picked becuase they don't value themselves, their wives set the frame for the relationship, and even let them feel like they are in charge, so then these guys can talk about how they are "alpha" when the truth is they are owned.

Suplication, apologizing for everything they say and do, or being afraid to say what they want, all engrained to such a level they actually think they are in manly in charge guys.

Its sickening once your eyes are opened.

I have not read the link in the OP of this thread or most of the posts in this thread, but I agree with the general idea of this post. I'm not a woman hater or a PUA, or a guy who is bitter at all against women, but I do think a lot of guys hand over their balls when they get married.

I know guys who can't even come out to play since getting married. I seriously know guys who I've never seen without their wives since they got married. That's pathetic if you ask me. You should still be able to have a life of your own after you get married.

I have some thoughts on what I know about PUA and the other things mentioned in this thread, but everything I know about these topics is from reading threads here. I've never read any of the actual books, blogs, etc. I'm too tired to digest what's been said already here and comment, but hopefully the conversation will still be going tomorrow.