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  • #31
    Originally posted by The Passionate Wife View Post
    I was asked to post about how to avoid being "friend-zoned" so here goes....


    All relationships are essentially social exchanges. They are based on reciprocity; a give-and-take agreement that is often done subconsciously and without discussion. When someone finds themselves stuck in the “friend zone” it is because they have entered into an unfair or unequal social exchange whereby the other person is getting all their emotional/romantic/sexual needs met while the “friend-zoned” individual is not. In other words, these “friend-zoned” individuals are giving everything they have to the other without ensuring they are receiving everything they want/need in return.

    Obviously, the best way to avoid the “friend-zone” is not to fall in it to start with. If you are romantically interested in someone then it is important that the social exchange reflects that; in other words move the relationship toward girlfriend/boyfriend/lover/partner immediately. Here are a few suggestions:

    Be Attractive. Dr. Helen Fisher defines 3 types of love – lust (sexual desire), attraction (romantic love) and attachment (comfort) – which indicates that there is more to love than just one single emotion. People who get “friend-zoned” only generate feelings of attachment without any attraction or lust feelings. For any number of reasons, these individuals have not been able to spark the chemistry to make the other person desire them in return. Therefore, the social exchange is unequal. The good news is that people can and do learn to be more attractive both physically and psychologically by increasing their erotic capital (see link below) and developing social skills such as confidence, creating sexually stimulating conversations, flirting physically and being a bit coy, non-needy and elusive. By working on their sexual appeal, individuals will more likely be considered "lover" rather than "friend".

    Match. Individuals who end up in mutually-satisfying relationships often match each other on a number of levels. For example, they are both roughly equal in traits such as physical attractiveness or education or social status. Although there are exceptions, people tend to attract and mate with others who are similar to themselves.

    Ask. Often the reason people end up in the “friend-zone” is because they are too afraid, too uncertain or too passive. Many individuals are more comfortable approaching someone they are attracted to as simply “a friend” because it is less risky emotionally or seems easier. These individuals begin the interaction by not clearly communicating what it is that they want and then settling for less. Sometimes, this is done strictly due to insecurity. Other times, however, it is simply a ploy in which they use friendship as a way in the “back door” rather than risk rejection up front. Unfortunately, these tactics seldom work. So rather than get stuck in the friend zone because of fear or deceit, it is often far more productive to simply state what is desired. It is likely to make for a more equal and fair social exchange. If the other person is not interested, then simply walk away and find someone who is.

    Stop Being Too Nice. The final reason why individuals end up in the friend zone is because they are simply too nice. They do all the work in the relationship; making all the concessions and sacrifices. In other words, they make it very “easy” for the other person to be with them. Unfortunately, they also tend to get taken for granted, are devalued and forgotten. We need to remember that people value that which they have to work to obtain and invest in and that included relationships. According to research, people have more attraction and respect for individuals for whom the perform favours. They also find relationships more valuable and commit more completely when they invest in them in various ways. So by doing all the work in the relationship, a person unintentionally places himself “in” the friend zone. And when he is the one doing all the investing, he is also the only one developing all the romantic feelings; the other person does not. Therefore, to avoid being friend-zoned”, the effort and investment must be balanced on both sides. Each individual must give and contribute in equal measure. The needs of both must be satisfied. If the other person doesn't offer then ask!

    As you can see, people can end up stuck in the friend zone for a number of reasons. Fortunately with awareness and a bit of work those situations can be changed. The friend zone can truly be avoided.

    (info about erotic capital) https://www.pegym.com/forums/gym/672...jawline-7.html

    Very well written i must say.

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    • #32
      How i avoid the friend zone.....ask for sex in subtle ways yes
      A bear and a wabbit were shiting in tha woods
      Tha bear asked tha wabbit "do you have problems with shit sticking to your fur ?"
      Tha wabbit replied "no"
      So tha bear took up tha wabbit and wiped his ass

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      • #33
        Man, this is such a great read/post, but I'd lying if I'd say it's that simple(for me at least). I'm too kind of a guy, always putting myself out there to help out my friends(including love interest) in any way possible. I blame my honor and chivalry, I can't ignore a cry for help when a woman is in need...which is why I've fallen in the FZ many of times.

        Say, TPW, how's a guy suppose to approach a woman without coming off as a fake, or rude and inconsiderate? Since, and it's true, I'm nice guy, but girls aren't going to believe that one bit, not matter what I say or do. Eventually, they might accept me, but only as a friend in order not to get hurt, like she did from the other asshole, that played the game in order to get into her panties.

        Such a complex system of operations. *sigh*
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        • #34
          Originally posted by XLEdwards View Post
          Man, this is such a great read/post, but I'd lying if I'd say it's that simple(for me at least). I'm too kind of a guy, always putting myself out there to help out my friends(including love interest) in any way possible. I blame my honor and chivalry, I can't ignore a cry for help when a woman is in need...which is why I've fallen in the FZ many of times.

          Say, TPW, how's a guy suppose to approach a woman without coming off as a fake, or rude and inconsiderate? Since, and it's true, I'm nice guy, but girls aren't going to believe that one bit, not matter what I say or do. Eventually, they might accept me, but only as a friend in order not to get hurt, like she did from the other asshole, that played the game in order to get into her panties.

          Such a complex system of operations. *sigh*
          Don't do it, any woman who friend zones you is to be completely avoided . She has seriously insulted you ; I do not advise you put a contract hit on her though .

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          • #35
            I miss the friend zone. I'm married so have no interest of being with anyone else but I do miss friendships of other females to talk to which I have none other than my sisters.
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            • #36
              There is a difference between friends and friend zone.

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              • #37
                Thanks for the insightful posts, TPW.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by XLEdwards View Post
                  Man, this is such a great read/post, but I'd lying if I'd say it's that simple(for me at least). I'm too kind of a guy, always putting myself out there to help out my friends(including love interest) in any way possible. I blame my honor and chivalry, I can't ignore a cry for help when a woman is in need...which is why I've fallen in the FZ many of times.

                  Say, TPW, how's a guy suppose to approach a woman without coming off as a fake, or rude and inconsiderate? Since, and it's true, I'm nice guy, but girls aren't going to believe that one bit, not matter what I say or do. Eventually, they might accept me, but only as a friend in order not to get hurt, like she did from the other asshole, that played the game in order to get into her panties.

                  Such a complex system of operations. *sigh*
                  Hey XLEdwards,

                  My apologies for the delay in getting back to you.

                  Now regarding your concerns, my recommendation would be to first look at curbing your tendency to be "too kind". Not completely, mind you, but enough that you are not constantly at the whim of everyone else's demands. There is absolutely nothing unchivalrous or dishonourable about saying "no" to a request that is inconvenient or unpleasant for you. In fact, it conveys a message to others that you value yourself. It also sets the bar about how you wish to be treated and are willing to treat others in return.

                  Although "no" is often associated with negativity, it can actually be quite positive. For example it enable you to remain true to your own values and principles, it prevents others from taking advantage of you and it stops you from becoming frustrated or even angry should appreciation or acknowledgement not be forthcoming.

                  And finally, learning to say no can greatly aid in keeping you out of the friend zone.
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                  • #39
                    Just ask if you can suck on their boobies.
                    Going an inch and 1/2 deeper than before

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by BigO View Post
                      Just ask if you can suck on their boobies.
                      Hahaha BigO...I think that may be one incident where he would be on the receiving end of a NO!!!!!

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                      • #41
                        But they would also not br friends. Friend zone elimination.
                        Going an inch and 1/2 deeper than before

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                        • #42
                          As the resident Szar of Negativity my advice comes in two pro tips.

                          Protip #1 - Never try to date people therefore never having the chance to being placed into the friend zone and you will never have to worry about it.

                          Protip #2 - Don't listen to Protip #1

                          The first one has worked for me, but I am too scared to go to step two.
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                          Last edited by Dontrike; 02-23-2015, 08:44 AM.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by BigO View Post
                            But they would also not br friends. Friend zone elimination.
                            Yes similar to my advice.

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                            • #44
                              Self confidence and self esteem.

                              Pretty much fixes all of the above. Don't seek or need anything from people, and don't be afraid to do, say and go for what you want. The fun result of this is that very soon, women will come and find you.

                              I've been rejected a whole load of times. Happens a lot, and keeps happening, but I haven't been "friend zoned" for a looooong time. The only person who puts you in the friend zone is YOU. If she's not interested, try again if you like, and if still no, move on.

                              That's the "friend zone", She doesn't want to suck your cock, but unless she absolutely hates you, she still likes the attention.

                              And YOU are choosing to stay there.

                              DON'T hang around all moody and disappointed, afraid to tell her you want her and hoping she'll "change her mind". She might. But not that way.

                              Or actually be her friend if she's cool. On one hand, you made a new friend, which is cool, and she'll help you a damn sight more than my advice. On the other, she has hot friends too, and if you're cool, word will get around.

                              There's a LOT of hot women out there, many hotter than her, and some of them will *REALLY* like you just as you are. Once you realise this and start to see it and realise that you actually are attractive, you'll start to find that you're rejecting women too.

                              Being in this will place make you WAY more attractive. In almost a magic way, as your peace and comfort will come across, and women you don't know will start approaching you in clubs and stuff as well. If you recognise the signals and clues.

                              Here's a tip.
                              I've been asked out by women a couple of times this year. But not directly. Well kind of directly (recognise the signs etc) ... she says "When are you going to ask me out then?". Think about that.

                              Juuuust my opinion and experience. Please discard or forget in your own time
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                              • #45
                                Girls don't friend zone guys they find sexually attractive or good looking - you are either viewed as a sexual prospect or NOT (or you are viewed as a long-term boyfriend provider, which is a different story and means you just look like a good provider). If you are sexy to them, its you making the friend zone call or not.

                                You avoid the friend zone by trying to hit on girls out of your league looks-wise. Girls care as much about looks as men (despite what the dumb PUA community will tell you). Think about it - would you date and bang a girl you found unattractive? Highly unlikely. You put them in the friend zone.

                                I don't have any female friends. When I was single, I approached girls with the intent of sexual relationships. If they didn't like me, that was it. If you want to have friends as girls, talk to girls way hotter then you and find out for yourself - girls are just as shallow as guys and care about the same things you do (good looking face, tall, nice body, well dressed, etc).

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