Do It Yourself Blood Vessel Growth.

[TheGreatDivider Senior Member Member of the Month Dec 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close TheGreatDivider]

As Great Divider pointed out earlier, he is active on Thunder's Place.

He's also on YouTube and Reddit as well.

If someone proposes that their method is the ONLY way to get gains (after others have made gains through alternative methods), I am sure this rubbed people the wrong way.

That's what others are saying on Reddit.

[TheGreatDivider Senior Member Member of the Month Dec 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close TheGreatDivider]

Lol, come on... people get excited, I hope that wouldnt keep you or others from finding a great exercise to complement their routine (or for others it may be their whole routine).
I 100% agree, it isn’t the only method but I am still going to monitor people’s progress and most likely figure out how to use it to break past a plateau or just complement when there are EQ challenges, not that anyone doing PE has any EQ challenges...
Like I said on the other site, I am not even sure in three months we are still talking about this but to discard it without even a slight eval process seems a bit off to me, especially by this community that I respect.

I also have to give Janus some props. He has done all of the introduction to his method (including multiple YouTubes) and hasn’t asked for anything except for some volunteers to try it and ask crap loads of questions that he takes plenty of time to answer.

It wasn't the method that got Janus kicked off of here it was his behavior. I don't know exactly what happened but he rode in here like a false profit and was called out swiftly. From what I've seen on other sites, he's managed to create a cult following among noobs and raise red flags with the veterans. The guy is an excellent BS'er with at least a basic understanding of anatomy but has no experience with PE other than some newbie gains from his angion/ballooning method.

[mlh Member Find all posts View Profile Close mlh]

if he has a cult amongst 'noobs', then maybe his method has some thing to it.
Also if he is getting newbie gains (which might work for old time PE doers also, imho), then maybe we should incorporate it. Just my opinion.

He has put in pictures at the end of the video which I find hard to discredit.

I've been trying his method for 5 days, it takes me close to ejaculation.
I can't really hope to see growth in such a small time. However I'll keep you guys posted.

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Another important thing which I forgot,.. when I clench my penis and try to trace the vein which is to be pushed in the Angion method, then I see subsidiary Biebs. And those are veins because they seem to be originating from this mother vein.. the big one in the middle.

Do you guys think that we should be trying to push blood out of them too?
UJ your thoughts?? I've been waiting for Butters' inputs😶 he was the first one to Trey it and reported gains too.

[SmallTalk Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SmallTalk]

It wasn't the method that got Janus kicked off of here it was his behavior. I don't know exactly what happened but he rode in here like a false profit and was called out swiftly. From what I've seen on other sites, he's managed to create a cult following among noobs and raise red flags with the veterans. The guy is an excellent BS'er with at least a basic understanding of anatomy but has no experience with PE other than some newbie gains from his angion/ballooning method.

I Do believe that Janus himself believes in this method. He's put way too much time and effort into this to be pure BS. Otherwise he's a very sick individual. :P

Now, what I'm afraid is happening here is, that Janus, who mentioned he previously suffered from EQ issues, has gained an increase in EQ, as opposed to actual tissue growth. I might be wrong. Time will tell.
I tried the method, and personally I only see it as a form of edging so far.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

We do know that the only way blood vessels grow is due to a specific factor released by tissue because tissue needs blood.They communicate. Oh a blood vessel will remodel or repair itself due to an injury but you cannot stimulate blood vessel growth by anything other than the tissues need for blood. That's the simple version.

[DDCRLO Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close DDCRLO]

I guess, time will tell

[closed291 Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Member of the Month June 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close closed291]

Another important thing which I forgot,.. when I clench my penis and try to trace the vein which is to be pushed in the Angion method, then I see subsidiary Biebs. And those are veins because they seem to be originating from this mother vein.. the big one in the middle.

Do you guys think that we should be trying to push blood out of them too?
UJ your thoughts?? I've been waiting for Butters' inputs he was the first one to Trey it and reported gains too.

Thanks for the question. I am focusing on the main vein per the video. I do understand your observation and by adding strokes around the main vein could pose benefits too. However, I am starting to understand that per his method an increase in caloric intake and lowering of sodium are the main factors to growth.

[mlh Member Find all posts View Profile Close mlh]

We do know that the only way blood vessels grow is due to a specific factor released by tissue because tissue needs blood.They communicate. Oh a blood vessel will remodel or repair itself due to an injury but you cannot stimulate blood vessel growth by anything other than the tissues need for blood. That's the simple version.

Ok, I see your point.

[raybbaby Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close raybbaby]

... those are veins because they seem to be originating from this mother vein.. the big one in the middle.

Do you guys think that we should be trying to push blood out of them too?
UJ your thoughts?? I've been waiting for Butters' inputs he was the first one to Trey it and reported gains too.

A couple things here. The smaller veins do not "originate" from the dorsal vein, it works the other way around. The smaller veins originate from the capillaries/erectile tissue of the CCs. They feed blood TO the dorsal vein, not the other way around. While arteries are delivering blood from the heart, and have no valves because the blood they are delivering has that pressure behind it, veins have valves, so that the blood returning to the heart remains moving in just one direction. Pushing the blood through the dorsal vein towards the body creates a pressure deficit behind the moving occlusion, (your thumb) drawing the blood from the CCs through the feeder blood vessels and veins to the Dorsal vein. There it is again pushed through the vein and back towards the body by your next thumb. That's the theory anyway. So no need to mess with those smaller veins.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

You'r right in that veins have valves to prevent back flow of blood. How do you push fluid, in this case blood against a valve that is closed? Might not be too good for the ole valve!

[raybbaby Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close raybbaby]

You are pushing blood towards the heart, so you are not pushing against the valve. You are when you jelq however.

[SoraSora Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SoraSora]

You are pushing blood towards the heart, so you are not pushing against the valve. You are when you jelq however.

That's a good point. I can understand the mods banning him, I'm not sure they were thrilled on him saying that the techniques which their site is built on are dangerous. But there's no use fearing change, especially if it's with the goal of helping others to be healthy and happy.

He already taught me that the corpus cavernosa are not, in fact, smooth muscle, which Wikipedia confirmed, but effectively dense groups of blood vessels. I'm not sure how this fact is so overlooked.

I'll be looking into this myself and seeing what it's worth, as despite it being a new (and hence instinctively scary) technique, it does, strangely, seem safer.

[SoraSora Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SoraSora]

You'r right in that veins have valves to prevent back flow of blood. How do you push fluid, in this case blood against a valve that is closed? Might not be too good for the ole valve!

From what I read on Wikipedia, the deep dorsal vein of the penis "receives the blood from the glans penis and corpora cavernosa penis and courses backward in the middle line between the dorsal arteries". So his technique does actually seem to go with the direction of flow of the vein rather than against it.

I haven't started PE yet myself, but from what I can tell, if nothing else, some of his lessons on anatomy seem pretty useful.

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

...I can understand the mods banning him, I'm not sure they were thrilled on him saying that the techniques which their site is built on are dangerous. But there's no use fearing change, especially if it's with the goal of helping others to be healthy and happy.

To be clear, that's not why he was banned.