Addicted to masturbation

[giantsrule Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close giantsrule]

I checked it out. Good to see I'm not the only one going down this road. I just hope this gives me a chance to heal, prob mentally and physically

[VoodooChild Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close VoodooChild]

hey man, I understand your pain. I've recently quit masturbation and porn for similar and varied reasons from you. Check out my thread if you want. The only way to do it is to get to the point where you want to heal more than you want to masturbate (which you know what that brings every time). I'm about 3 weeks in man and it's honestly getting easier, not harder. I have more confidence in myself because I know I'm guiding myself on a healing path rather than a self-destructive indulgent path.

Some people can masturbate a ton and watch porn and suffer no consequences. Others can't. If it is detrimental, you have to accept that it is detrimental and find the power within yourself to stay committed. It's actually a blessing on a certain level because you will learn more about the free will that is granted in this life more than many other people which will play out in other parts of your life (speaking on my own experience).

I highly recommend checking out the books "You Are Not Your Brain" and "Super Brain". They explain how addictive behaviors become hardwired into the brain through neuroplasticity and how it feels like you have no control. But more importantly, how the process that got you into the whole mess is the very process that can lead you out of the whole mess. Very helpful stuff honestly. You can change. The brain is highly malleable. Best of luck brotha.

[giantsrule Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close giantsrule]

4 days. How long do you think I need to heal? Before I can start doing stuff like p.e or sex?

I think I def did some physical damage years ago so I should prob take it easy for a little while. I was thinking of doing kegals after 2 or 3 weeks of not doing anything at all.

Does this sound like a good call?

[VoodooChild Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close VoodooChild]

Hey giantsrule, yea I would definitely take a break. Start taking some supplements (l-arg, co-q10, garlic, ginger, green tea, ginkgo biloba, multi vit, vit E). Try to focus on becoming very healthy physically (so eating better foods like veggies, whole grains, fruits, and less processed foods as well as running/biking/swimming or something to let out the endorphins that you normally would let out with ejaculation). This will help give you the best shot at overcoming your mental issues because you will begin to feel very empowered in what you are doing to help yourself.

To be honest, I'm seeing dramatic changes in my EQ and mental health from starting this path only 3 weeks ago. It's not always easy but if you constantly remind yourself why you are doing it, you will realize it is the best for the long term, not the path of instant gratification.

As far as kegals go, where do you stand now? Do you have involuntary kegals when you masturbate? Does it cause PremE? If so, definitely start working on relaxing the pelvic floor (reverse kegals) and begin some stretching exercises that help with this (not penis stretching but actual yoga poses and whatnot). Based on what I'm experiencing thus far, you would begin to see yourself heal in a matter of weeks. I can only imagine how healthy and confident I'm going to feel at the end of 90 days.

Hope that helped a bit. Good luck man.

[giantsrule Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close giantsrule]

I'm not sure if its mental or not. in sure have e.d for 7 years will get you mentally no matter what. I think I just overworked myself with a couple days of p.e and non stop masterbating. I need to have a rest. I have a bad ankle sprain right now and can't workout much but I'm doing what I can. I just want to do exercises that will help me with my erection first then ill take it slow and exercise smart for size. I've seen how some people overdue it and have to rely on pe to keep an erection. I don't want to be like that. I'm just barely 6in long 4.5in around if I gained an inch in both I'd be happy. But getting it to work is def at the top of my list. I'm serious this time. I'm taking a big break from masterbating. I just hope it works because if it doesn't I'm screwed

[VoodooChild Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close VoodooChild]

Honestly man, I guarantee if you take a break you're gonna get back to normal sooner than any other way. I wouldn't do any PE though. There's no need to add extra stress while you're trying to get healthy again. Once your penis is healthy, then start PE. I would imagine at this point, PE will only slow your recovery down, other than balancing your pelvic floor through a routine like minute-man's (if it's unbalanced, which it probably is)...though that's not exactly direct PE, it's definitely important to have before beginning a PE routine. That's just my two cents based on what I am currently experiencing in my own recovery. I'm no expert.

[giantsrule Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close giantsrule]

I hope you're right bud. what are minute mans? If it has anything to do with premature ejaculation I could def use some of that. Maybe ill try them after cutting masterbatation and everything else for 2 or 3 weeks

[VoodooChild Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close VoodooChild]

Minute-man is the name of a member here on pegym. This is his routine for "dry orgasms" but the initial phase can purely be seen as a balancing and then strengthening of the pelvic floor muscles which is what you would be in it for initially (as am I). The post is pretty lengthy, so try to dig into the details in order to understand what needs to happen. The time scale of the phases differs depending on what state your pelvic floor is in currently. Mine is pitiful, so I'm moving through the phases pretty slowly.

If you check out this thread, you will see how this guy incorporated 90 days of abstinence alongside physical exercise and minute-man's "dry orgasm" routine. This COMPLETELY healed his severe PremE problem and now he's got not only better EQ but also a slightly larger penis that he can now control when he orgasms during sex...pretty sweet deal if you ask me!

Hope that helps brotha.

[giantsrule Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close giantsrule]

Minute-man is the name of a member here on pegym. This is his routine for "dry orgasms" but the initial phase can purely be seen as a balancing and then strengthening of the pelvic floor muscles which is what you would be in it for initially (as am I). The post is pretty lengthy, so try to dig into the details in order to understand what needs to happen. The time scale of the phases differs depending on what state your pelvic floor is in currently. Mine is pitiful, so I'm moving through the phases pretty slowly.

If you check out this thread, you will see how this guy incorporated 90 days of abstinence alongside physical exercise and minute-man's "dry orgasm" routine. This COMPLETELY healed his severe PremE problem and now he's got not only better EQ but also a slightly larger penis that he can now control when he orgasms during sex...pretty sweet deal if you ask me!

Hope that helps brotha.

I read both of the threads. I'm a little lost on the routine though.

It says to do this for the first week

Week 1 - Level 0 start - Do sublevel 0.1 for a week. You can increase them by 5 (k, rk, rl, rrl) per day up to 20. Once you feel comfortable do them twice per day.

What does that mean?

How long have you been doing this?

I'm 5 days in. Only 85 to go haha

[TAAB Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close TAAB]

Hey VooDooChild Im at 3 weeks as well of the no touch. Granted I gave up porn Feb 1st, that made this last jump way easier I am sure. giantsrule The only thing I may do as far as PE is when I take a leak I give it a pull before I zip up. Even then I don't much think about it,it is just an automatic thing I would do back when I was full on PE training. TAAB

[VoodooChild Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close VoodooChild]

First off, hell yea for five days man! Seriously just keep on going through with it and remind yourself often why you are doing it...that helps me a lot when I start to get weak in my desires. I'm on my fourth week now!

Anyway, did you scroll down and read what each sub-level actually entails? So like, for Sublevel 0.1, there is this description:

0.1:
Allowed states for this level: Flaccid

(10-20) kegel flexes

(10-20) reverse kegel flexes

(10-20) root lock flexes

(10-20) reverse root lock flexes


Flexes should be for a second, should not be fast nor forcible. It isn't important how strong they are as long as you do them. You should not do them too fast.

Increase: Start of with doing 10 of each during the first day you attempt this exercise, then if you feel comfortable you should increase it by five for the next day, therefore doing 15 of each exercise (meaning kegels, reverse kegels, root locks, reverse root locks). Increase to 20 of each for the next day if you feel comfortable. After that you should not increase them further but rather you should begin doing them two times per day instead of one. It is up to you if you want to go for 20 of each right away of gradually during the second time per day.

Next sub level: You find that you are doing them with ease two times a day, 20 each, with no fatigue and your isolation is progressing nicely on the understanding level.


That should answer your questions I think.

Basically, the first goal is to get to where you can easily do 20 kegals, 20 reverse kegals, 20 root locks, and 20 reverse root locks two times a day with no fatigue (even if you can't separate the kegals from the root locks and the reverse kegals from the reverse root locks) . Only at that point should you move to sublevel 0.2. I'm still on the first one but I'm noticing improvements the more I work on it. I just have a very weak reverse kegal/reverse root lock so my pelvic floor is WAY unbalanced. Also, I can't really isolate them yet but I'm beginning to feel the difference between the root lock muscles and the kegal muscles even though they still fire together. Honestly, before I started doing all this, I was completely unaware of the state all these muscles were in...I guess it goes to show, men are more aware of their biceps than their pelvic floors haha.

[giantsrule Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close giantsrule]

First off, hell yea for five days man! Seriously just keep on going through with it and remind yourself often why you are doing it...that helps me a lot when I start to get weak in my desires. I'm on my fourth week now!

Anyway, did you scroll down and read what each sub-level actually entails? So like, for Sublevel 0.1, there is this description:

0.1:
Allowed states for this level: Flaccid

(10-20) kegel flexes

(10-20) reverse kegel flexes

(10-20) root lock flexes

(10-20) reverse root lock flexes


Flexes should be for a second, should not be fast nor forcible. It isn't important how strong they are as long as you do them. You should not do them too fast.

Increase: Start of with doing 10 of each during the first day you attempt this exercise, then if you feel comfortable you should increase it by five for the next day, therefore doing 15 of each exercise (meaning kegels, reverse kegels, root locks, reverse root locks). Increase to 20 of each for the next day if you feel comfortable. After that you should not increase them further but rather you should begin doing them two times per day instead of one. It is up to you if you want to go for 20 of each right away of gradually during the second time per day.

Next sub level: You find that you are doing them with ease two times a day, 20 each, with no fatigue and your isolation is progressing nicely on the understanding level.


That should answer your questions I think.

Basically, the first goal is to get to where you can easily do 20 kegals, 20 reverse kegals, 20 root locks, and 20 reverse root locks two times a day with no fatigue (even if you can't separate the kegals from the root locks and the reverse kegals from the reverse root locks) . Only at that point should you move to sublevel 0.2. I'm still on the first one but I'm noticing improvements the more I work on it. I just have a very weak reverse kegal/reverse root lock so my pelvic floor is WAY unbalanced. Also, I can't really isolate them yet but I'm beginning to feel the difference between the root lock muscles and the kegal muscles even though they still fire together. Honestly, before I started doing all this, I was completely unaware of the state all these muscles were in...I guess it goes to show, men are more aware of their biceps than their pelvic floors haha.

Thanks for clearing that up, I think i get it now.

So does this wear off if you don't keep it up forever or does it fix e.d and pe in general after doing it a while by making you balanced?

[giantsrule Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close giantsrule]

Congrats on the 4 weeks man. I've fought it pretty easy the last couple of days it just feels like forever

[VoodooChild Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close VoodooChild]

Based on the little bit of research I've done, you and I and many other fellas have gotten themselves in this mess through poor masturbation habits over years and years (rushing to ponr, becoming addicted to porn, ejaculating too often, etc). This leads to developing an unbalanced pelvic floor which has symptoms of PremE, involuntary kegals, weaker orgasms, etc. Technically the pelvic floor can be unbalanced in a way that leads to delayed ejaculation (reverse kegals are too strong and kegals too weak)...but I don't hear as much complaint about this problem lol...nor as much prevalence.

But yea basically, you are on the road back to a healthy sexual self and from there you will just have to make sure not to fall back into the habits that got you there in the first place. So don't start becoming obsessed with porn again to the point that you don't go pursue a real life relationship wether it's serious or casual. I mean, what guy doesn't prefer a real life encounter to porn? Honestly? Once you are healthy, you'll have far more confidence in yourself to go live the life you want to live...and not sit behind a computer screen.

Have you looked into some supplements (like the ones I mentioned earlier)? I've found them to really help my penis feel/look healthier in general.

[giantsrule Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close giantsrule]

I haven't looked into them yet. Erectile dysfunction is number 1 on my list then ill worry about my pe and small penis. I really got screwed bad in the sex dpt