11 Hard Flaccid Full Recovery Cases..

[Verysad2012 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Verysad2012]

Did you recover from many years?!
OK I have question to you
Many people have hard flicced and Ed due to over pumping which we don't know how can we cure ourselves, so
Can you give us some help?
About peins pump side effect

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

People wonder why i concentrate on the physical side when i coach . Frankly the mental side is too challanging.

Accepting the issue is mental in origin is a very hard thing for many men to contend with. It shouldn't be seen this way- as it takes courage to acknowledge the issue and attempting to resolve it.

[HFrecovering Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HFrecovering]

Accepting the issue is mental in origin is a very hard thing for many men to contend with. It shouldn't be seen this way- as it takes courage to acknowledge the issue and attempting to resolve it.

Well the issue is that many men come on forums such as this looking for awnsers about what hard flaccid is and why they have it and are met with threads filled with hundreds of pages of men speculating that they have ligament damage, torn fascia, blood clots, nerve damage/injury, peyronies etc etc etc. It scares the shit out of them and sends them into a cycle of obsession and panic, like I said the other day, until a few days ago I had not been on here since 2015 and just browsing some of the threads I recognise all the same people 3 years later still speculating about if hard flaccid is ligament damage or torn fascia etc etc etc.

I don't mean to sound disrespectful about the PEgym, I don't expect you to censor people or delete threads but by this point I would of thought you would have a dedicated part of the site to hard flaccid with information about what it actually is and what people have done to recover from it. The hysteria around hard flaccid is what keeps people from recovering, whether you like or dislike obitoo he had to shut down his forum because of the very reason.

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It has to be understood that HF is a symptom- not necessarily a thing unto itself.

Confusion, a lack if knowledge and fear can go a long way towards creating hysteria. Keeping this in mind, I highly recommend you read the following regarding PEGym and member posts pertaining to HF: https://www.pegym.com/forums/penile-...ml#post1419448

There are many posts dedicated to the phenomenon of hard flaccid. Here are just a few:

Hard Flaccid and the Internet Echo Chamber Effect

The Official Hard Flaccid Recovery Thread

Hard Flaccid (CPPS), ED, recovery!

[HFrecovering Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HFrecovering]

I've seen those threads before and like I said, I got rid of hard flaccid temporarily for 2 months last year because I sorted my life out and stopped paying attention to it. It's been back for over 7 months now because I've been fixated on it aswell as other things in my life. Im not sure how common it is but I've heard of several other people getting rid of it but then it returning later on.

I'm aware hard flaccid is a symptom, it's a tension disorder fueled by fixation and mass hysteria aswell as other stresses in life.

Honestly feel like you guys could be doing a lot more on this issue. These forums promote the mass hysteria massively but like I said, you can't censor people so it's tricky. I just found it really sad that after 3 years away from PEgym and returning i am seeing the exact same people from 3 years ago all debating about if hf is a penis fracture or whatever.

You guys clearly need to do more.

[Verysad2012 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Verysad2012]

Well the issue is that many men come on forums such as this looking for awnsers about what hard flaccid is and why they have it and are met with threads filled with hundreds of pages of men speculating that they have ligament damage, torn fascia, blood clots, nerve damage/injury, peyronies etc etc etc. It scares the shit out of them and sends them into a cycle of obsession and panic, like I said the other day, until a few days ago I had not been on here since 2015 and just browsing some of the threads I recognise all the same people 3 years later still speculating about if hard flaccid is ligament damage or torn fascia etc etc etc.

I don't mean to sound disrespectful about the PEgym, I don't expect you to censor people or delete threads but by this point I would of thought you would have a dedicated part of the site to hard flaccid with information about what it actually is and what people have done to recover from it. The hysteria around hard flaccid is what keeps people from recovering, whether you like or dislike obitoo he had to shut down his forum because of the very reason.

I had similar HF symptoms like book HF-revelation. I go to Pt specialist who discovered that I have pf tightness.
But ED REMAIN

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

I've seen those threads before and like I said, I got rid of hard flaccid temporarily for 2 months last year because I sorted my life out and stopped paying attention to it. It's been back for over 7 months now because I've been fixated on it aswell as other things in my life. Im not sure how common it is but I've heard of several other people getting rid of it but then it returning later on.

I'm aware hard flaccid is a symptom, it's a tension disorder fueled by fixation and mass hysteria aswell as other stresses in life.

Honestly feel like you guys could be doing a lot more on this issue. These forums promote the mass hysteria massively but like I said, you can't censor people so it's tricky. I just found it really sad that after 3 years away from PEgym and returning i am seeing the exact same people from 3 years ago all debating about if hf is a penis fracture or whatever.

You guys clearly need to do more.

While your frustration is understandable, with all due respect it's unfair to attempt to place the blame on the forum when many of the mods, admins and seasoned members alike attempt to address HF- as well as other particular bugbears like VL. We do a lot to attempt to mitigate posts from creating hysteria. We've done so to the extent to where it's become very repetitious, but there's only so much we can do.

By your own admission, the problem is the fixation aspect of the problem more than anything else. While we do our best to listen, provide resources and education, the hard work has to be done by the individual.

I've recently spoken to the head of the forum about this, and if you have any constructive suggestions for attempting to improve what we're already doing we're open to ideas.

[HFrecovering Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HFrecovering]

While your frustration is understandable, with all due respect it's unfair to attempt to place the blame on the forum when many of the mods, admins and seasoned members alike attempt to address HF- as well as other particular bugbears like VL. We do a lot to attempt to mitigate posts from creating hysteria. We've done so to the extent to where it's become very repetitious, but there's only so much we can do.

By your own admission, the problem is the fixation aspect of the problem more than anything else. While we do our best to listen, provide resources and education, the hard work has to be done by the individual.

I've recently spoken to the head of the forum about this, and if you have any constructive suggestions for attempting to improve what we're already doing we're open to ideas.

I didn't mean for it to sound like I was solely blaming the forum, I was just pointing out that these guys who come on here every day speculating about what hard flaccid is are stopping themselves and others from healing. They are on a non stop roller coaster.

We know what hard flaccid is. It's a tension disorder, it can be triggerd by PE, recreational drugs, anti depressants, stress, anxiety etc etc etc. There really is no point speculating about what it is or isn't. All the research has been done. People know what they need to do to get better but they just will not accept it and instead choose to sit on a forum for years and years speculating and driving themselves insane.

What I think you need to do is create a sub forum or at the very least a page with as many of the people who recoverd as possible, even get obitoo back temporarily for this. Use example of certain users who have been here for years (some over 5 years) who come on here daily to speculate or compare their latest stretch routine or whatever nonsense, and explain that these people have got nowhere because they refuse to acknowledge the mental aspect of this.

Allow people to comment but as soon as the speculation and fear mongering about torn ligaments or penis fractures starts instantly give them a warning and then if appropriate delete their post.

I also think the mods on here should write their experience on dealing with people with HF and what they have observed.

I realise some of this sounds extreme but people are wasting years of their life on here just going round and round with the same old bullshit and not getting any better. I honestly believe you've got to be a bit nazi with this.


Let me know what you think.

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

Your frustrations are understandable, but as long as members are following the guidelines then they're free to voice their opinions. While we'll do our best to educate and help, limiting speech isn't a viable solution. Part of the responsibility of free speech is in taking the bad along with the good.

The Penile Anomalies and Injuries subforum was created specifically for discussing HF and other issues.

[HFrecovering Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HFrecovering]

Your frustrations are understandable, but as long as members are following the guidelines then they're free to voice their opinions. While we'll do our best to educate and help, limiting speech isn't a viable solution. Part of the responsibility of free speech is in taking the bad along with the good.

The Penile Anomalies and Injuries subforum was created specifically for discussing HF and other issues.

Okay so ignore the restriction of speech aspect to what I just said, what about my other suggestions?

As I just said, some people on here have been logging on here daily for 5 years to talk about penis fractures etc. Somthing really has to be done. Soon I'm going to leave this forum again and I guarantee if I come back in a couple of years the exact same people will still be here daily posting the same hysterical bullshit.

I know i keep saying this but until 3 or 4 days ago I had not logged on here for 3 years, all the exact same people are still here talking hysterical nonsense.

Now I understand you are just mods of a forum, you are not health care providers or psychologists but I know you must have some kind of sympathy for these people. The situation is deeply depressing.

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

Okay so ignore the restriction of speech aspect to what I just said, what about my other suggestions?

As I just said, some people on here have been logging on here daily for 5 years to talk about penis fractures etc. Somthing really has to be done. Soon I'm going to leave this forum again and I guarantee if I come back in a couple of years the exact same people will still be here daily posting the same hysterical bullshit.

I know i keep saying this but until 3 or 4 days ago I had not logged on here for 3 years, all the exact same people are still here talking hysterical nonsense.

Now I understand you are just mods of a forum, you are not health care providers or psychologists but I know you must have some kind of sympathy for these people. The situation is deeply depressing.

What other specific recommendations do you have? There are already many threads devoted to the subject of HF. Devoting a subforum just for HF would set a precedence, and we'd eventually have to make one for VL, Mondor's, etc.

If the main issue is one of hysteria then this would fall under the category of anxiety- for which there already is a forum for here: Challenges with Anxiety & Depression

Again- you're frustration is understandable, but please refrain from alluding to the forum members and staff as not having sympathy for the members here!

[HFrecovering Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HFrecovering]

Dude I said "but I know you must have some sympathy" i did not say you have no sympathy.

Okay I take on board what you are saying but the status quo is not working. Nothing is changing. Doing the same shit over and over and getting the same results is the problem here. I don't for a minute believe that if you make drastic changes and put threads or a sub reddit in place everyone with hf will get better, but i 100% believe that you get get upwards of 30% of people here to get over this shit.

Okay so if you can't have a sub forum for hf because you feel you would be obligated to VL and others then why not incorporate that into the hysteria aspect of the sub forum? I have not viewed any of the VL threads but I would bet my left nut it is extremely similar to hf hysteria, and the key difference being that Hf is entirely cureable, venous leak is not.


At the very least could you consider a series of locked threads with different topics to do with hf that only designated people who have beat hf can talk in. And consider allowing obitoo to come back temporarily for this.

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

You're implying there's a lack of sympathy and that we're not doing enough on the forums to attempt to mitigate issues. Let's quash this aspect of the discussion now as it's not going to benefit anyone here.

You're attempting to supply a solution for something that is difficult to resolve. This is appreciated, but please understand the subject of hysteria and negative mindset is widely discussed here. Articles have been written on the subject (e.g.-https://www.pegym.com/articles/mental-side-male-enhancement).

You're incorrect about VL not being "curable" (depending on the severity), and a sizeable amount of data and research has been conducted on the subject and is also discussed at large on this forum.

If a member was banned it wasn't because of their viewpoints but because they broke rules- usually after one or more warnings.

We had the forum head aware of this topic, so let's see what occurs in the near future regarding this particular issue.

[HFrecovering Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HFrecovering]

You're implying there's a lack of sympathy and that we're not doing enough on the forums to attempt to mitigate issues. Let's quash this aspect of the discussion now as it's not going to benefit anyone here.

You're attempting to supply a solution for something that is difficult to resolve. This is appreciated, but please understand the subject of hysteria and negative mindset is widely discussed here. Articles have been written on the subject (e.g.-https://www.pegym.com/articles/mental-side-male-enhancement).

You're incorrect about VL not being "curable" (depending on the severity), and a sizeable amount of data and research has been conducted on the subject and is also discussed at large on this forum.

If a member was banned it wasn't because of their viewpoints but because they broke rules- usually after one or more warnings.

We had the forum head aware of this topic, so let's see what occurs in the near future regarding this particular issue.

Please point out where I implied there was a lack of sympathy? I did not such thing. I was actually sympathetic by saying I know it's not your job to be doctors or psychologists.

And what are you talking about "if a member was banned it wasn't because of their view points it's because they broke the rules" I'm guessing you are talking about obitoo? At what point did I take shots at you for banning him or criticise you? All I said was you should consider bringing him back temporarily if you male any of the changes in suggested.

You are extremely defensive and have entered into this discussion with your guard up. I have no idea why. I have not been rude to you once or implied anything other than more needs to be done because of the situation on here with hf since 2010.

I'm not going to get into a debate on if VL being curable or not because honestly I have no clue or knowledge of it. I remember obitoo saying VL is a bullshit diagnosis because it's just pelvic floor congestion but other than that I know nothing.

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

You mentioned reinstating obitoo. That's what the banning reference was about. How you viewed my reply as a "shot" is beyond me(?) I didn't see it that way at all- again- just replying to your statement.

Please, let's refrain from getting into the other material you mentioned as a request was respectfully made to quash it. I'll only say how you choose to interpret the tone of my replies is up to you, but rest assured I have no ill will towards you whatsoever.