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[camaro Senior Member Member of the month June 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close camaro]

What about the hell we fear so?

[Padawan787 Moderator ReservePEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Padawan787]

What about the hell we fear so?

Depends upon your religious views.

As an atheist I have no fear of hell, since I don't believe that it exists.

The whole concept of a "loving and forgiving god" creating hell is also somewhat contradictory, but that's not something to discuss in this thread.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

God did not create hell. Man created hell. God cannot create what is evil. When we are good that is the God that is part of ALL of us coming out and being shown to others. When we are being evil we are denying the God in all of us. When we die and we come face to face with something so good and we realize we have been evil then we must go somewhere to cleanse ourselves before being with something that is all good and all love. It is we humans that deny the goodness of God and we who make a hell.

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My mother-in-law always said, "Don't worry about going to hell. We're in it now."
She came out of the pogroms of Eastern Europe. Such evil.

[imac Retired Moderator Member of the Month Nov 12PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close imac]

God did not create hell. Man created hell. God cannot create what is evil.

I agree, man did create Hell. I'll also submit that we also created Heaven. We also created Gods, a great many in fact.

God cannot create what is evil? Forgive me by that statement is a contradiction to the whole concept of an omnipotent god.

When we are good that is the God that is part of ALL of us coming out and being shown to others. When we are being evil we are denying the God in all of us.

When I do good or bad it is me who does it and is only me who is responsible for it either way, NOT someone else's imagined authority figure.

I find that sort of moral scapegoating to be repugnant.

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According to christian scripture and doctrine he did, it was created to confine Lucifer and his fallen angels. Hell is a place of eternal torture, very loving and forgiving:

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. Matthew 25:41

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:41-42


So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:49-50


And these shall go away into everlasting punishment. Matthew 25:46


He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mark 16:16

All jews are sent to hell:

But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 8:12

Repentance is impossible for a lack of faith, eternal damnation cannot be avoided:

Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men ... whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Matthew 12:31-32, Mark 3:29, Luke 12:10

He condemned people to hell for the acts of their ancestors, never giving the opportunity to repent:

Ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. ... Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? ... Upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Matthew 23:31-35

God allegedly created everything in the universe, the heavens and the earth, and logically hell. Man has no power to create according to christian doctrines.

[camaro Senior Member Member of the month June 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close camaro]

Biblically, hell is for those who do not live like the children of god.Which means you can " qualify " for heaven all your life, but yell at your wife in the morning, go out, get run over by a truck and be damned cause you yelled at your wife.

I believe cursing the holy ghost and killing men of god are no nos which mean instant damnation.The rest is ok...

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Biblically, hell is for those who do not live like the children of god.Which means you can " qualify " for heaven all your life, but yell at your wife in the morning, go out, get run over by a truck and be damned cause you yelled at your wife.

I believe cursing the holy ghost and killing men of god are no nos which mean instant damnation.The rest is ok...

Well it depends, does getting into heaven just mean following the 10 commandments? Or does it mean following the teachings of the bible (the word of God)?

If it's the latter, then everyone's screwed, here's a list of interesting verses from the bible:

1 Corinthians 11:14 (Men should not have long hair)


1 Corinthians 14:34-35 (Women should remain silent in church)


Deuteronomy 13:6-16 (Death penalty for Apostasy)


Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (Death penalty for a rebellious son)


Deuteronomy 22:19-25 (Kill non-virgins/kill adulterers)


Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (Pay virgin’s parents for raping her)


Ecclesiastes 1:18 (Knowledge is bad)


Exodus 35:2 (Death for working on the Sabbath)


Galatians 5:2-4 (If you are circumcised, Christ has nothing for you)


Genesis 3:16 (Man shall rule over woman)


John 3:18 (He who believes in Jesus is saved, he that doesn’t is condemned)


Leviticus 19:19 (No mixed fabrics in clothing)


Leviticus 19:27 (Don’t trim hair or beard)


Leviticus 19:28 (No tattoos)


Leviticus 20:9 (Death for cursing father or mother)


Leviticus 20:10 (Death for adultery)


Leviticus 20:18 (No sex with a woman on her period)


Leviticus 21:17-23 (Ugly people, lame, dwarfs, not welcome on altar)


Mark 10:24-25 (Next to impossible for rich to get into heaven)


Mark 16:15-16 (Those who hear the gospel and don’t believe go to hell)


Matthew 6:5-6 (Pray in secret)


Matthew 6:18 (Fast for Lent in secret)


Matthew 12:30 (If you’re not with Jesus, you’re against him)


Matthew 15:4 (Death for not honouring your father and mother)


Revelation 21:8 (Unbelievers, among others, go to hell)


1 Timothy 2:11-12 (Women subordinate and must remain silent)


1 Timothy 5:8 (If you don’t provide for your family, you are an infidel)

[imac Retired Moderator Member of the Month Nov 12PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close imac]

I believe cursing the holy ghost and killing men of god are no nos which mean instant damnation.The rest is ok...

So killing men of god is bad, what about men of a different god, or no god at all. That's not so bad to mean instant damnation is it? What about women? Or gay men and women? Which god are we talking about anyway, there are thousands of the things.

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All hail the mighty Zeus!

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

Funny we have a Star Wars thread. It wasn't all that difficult to believe in "The Force"! Back in the days of The Exorcist it was so easy to believe that the devil got inside that little girl and made her head spin around and puke green soup yet it is always hard to believe that we are all part of something greater. Whether you want to call it God, Nature, Creation, The Force we as humans often reject that idea. We look at silly things "holy men" have said and use it to ridicule or dismiss that somehow not are we all bound together but that we have accountability in life.
We look at phrases " God gets mad at the killing of holy men" and say see how silly, a God with preferences. How can that be fair? I'm sure that He who created cares the same over the loss of life of all humans, good or bad. We take quotes out of a book written 2000 years ago and use them to show how silly a belief can be and yet we are taking quotes without the correct historical interpretation. Why did the writers write the way they did? One must go back and study history and see what was going on in their lives to understand not what they wrote but the meaning of why they wrote it.
Early man sought to find meaning to their exisitence and to try and put order in the society that they lived in. Were the 10 Commandments really written by God in stone or was it the thought of some wise man that knew that killing and stealing and lying were not the way to live together? Who knows maybe a God put the thought in his head or maybe he just had common sense.
I like to believe that I am part of something, that we're all bound together in someway. Yes even with Toad. All are free to believe what they so choose. Since no of this can be proved those with faith will believe one way and those without will believe another way and that's fine. I choose to believe in a God tat's all good, all love, and therefore He cannot do evil. He cannot kill, cannot condemn, cannot force us to believe in Him or not, but rather waits for the love that he gave us to be returned and become part of what we all are. Time for breakfast!

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Proof of Heaven: A Doctor?s Experience With the Afterlife - Newsweek and The Daily Beast

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I like this thread. I have been thinking alot about death lately too!. For 2 reasons. One, my own grandmother is slowing dieing away in the hospital. Her body is simply collapsing on itself, and everytime I see her she is smaller, weaker. But she is happy. She is very positive. I cried last time I visited her, and she got upset, wondering what was wrong with me. She had no idea!! This made me laugh, so I was crying and laughing at the same time. We had some good conversation and bonding time, and she said she just wants it all to be done so the pain will go away. I am happy for her. I said a peaceful goodbye and kissed her on the forehead. I think it is said and fucked up how the hospital keeps her healthcare going, for the simple reason of fucking insurance money. She should be gone by now. The other reason, is because just a few weeks ago I had a sort of "encounter" with death myself. I have been very depressed, and since a young age have put myself through some odd physical harm to myself when I am not sober and angry. This means smashing my head off of objects and burning myself. I don't know why. This expanded outwards into suicidal thoughts. Well, I was at the train station, not sober and "out of my mind". If you don't understand drugs, then don't bother to try but I was on dissassociative drugs. As the train was coming, I started to just think about jumping underneath it. I told the man next to me (Stranger) that I was just going to do it. I was watching the wheels with intent, and envisioned myself underneath them. It would only take a second. As I envisioned it, something happened. Ever hear those stories where people throw themselves off of a bridge, and halfway down realize they don't want to die? It was like that. It is actually called a Self-Realization. I realized that life is worth living, and how precious it is, and how much some people care for me, and I for them. All in an instant, this all hit me. So I simply got on the train, and went forward. This was a big deal for me. Since that day a few weeks ago, I have been more happy, positive, caring, and "whole" than I have ever been in my life. That was my true rock bottom.

All of this death thought around me had me thinking. What happens when you do? I believe that you MUST accept death. An acceptance will cause you to "move on". We all started as a single atom. We grew, unaware of what we were becoming apart of. Each atom in our body isn't "aware" of what it makes as a whole, but only of its job as a single atom. To be connected, and form a bigger picture. I believe we are similiar. We are only aware of ourselves and our Universe as a single object, because it is kept from other Universes by physical forces. As a whole, all of space builds something that is the bigger picture, we just can't see it. I believe when we die, we will move onwards and Understand. Our purpose in this life is to connect with as many other human beings as possible, just like atoms, and to understand. Connect, Understand, Accept, and Move on.

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Where in the bible does it speak of us going to heaven? it speaks of death and where we will go, but who will go. How many. It gives a specific number that most dont know about. It speaks of what will happen with the rest and it is good, then there are the ones that will "simply die" to be no more, to remain dust.

Bible quotes can be taken many ways.

Now on the subject of this thread, my father passed last week. Did he apologize to everyone he may have wronged, most likely not although he did not go around wronging people. Was he perfect, of course not, but he was a good and honest man, he provided for his kids and showed us love. He may have feared death but I hope it was not over what he thought others would think of him.

I know all who knew him are less with out him in our lives, he may have worried some but if he did he should not because to me and my siblings he was the greatest man on earth, he was my father and I can do nothing but thank him and wait until I see him again. Death hurts the living, not the dead. Live your life with good intentions, be good to your neighbors and leave good and honest kids behind you.

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Well it depends, does getting into heaven just mean following the 10 commandments? Or does it mean following the teachings of the bible (the word of God)?

If it's the latter, then everyone's screwed, here's a list of interesting verses from the bible:

1 Corinthians 11:14 (Men should not have long hair)


1 Corinthians 14:34-35 (Women should remain silent in church)


Deuteronomy 13:6-16 (Death penalty for Apostasy)


Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (Death penalty for a rebellious son)


Deuteronomy 22:19-25 (Kill non-virgins/kill adulterers)


Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (Pay virgin’s parents for raping her)


Ecclesiastes 1:18 (Knowledge is bad)


Exodus 35:2 (Death for working on the Sabbath)


Galatians 5:2-4 (If you are circumcised, Christ has nothing for you)


Genesis 3:16 (Man shall rule over woman)


John 3:18 (He who believes in Jesus is saved, he that doesn’t is condemned)


Leviticus 19:19 (No mixed fabrics in clothing)


Leviticus 19:27 (Don’t trim hair or beard)


Leviticus 19:28 (No tattoos)


Leviticus 20:9 (Death for cursing father or mother)


Leviticus 20:10 (Death for adultery)


Leviticus 20:18 (No sex with a woman on her period)


Leviticus 21:17-23 (Ugly people, lame, dwarfs, not welcome on altar)


Mark 10:24-25 (Next to impossible for rich to get into heaven)


Mark 16:15-16 (Those who hear the gospel and don’t believe go to hell)


Matthew 6:5-6 (Pray in secret)


Matthew 6:18 (Fast for Lent in secret)


Matthew 12:30 (If you’re not with Jesus, you’re against him)


Matthew 15:4 (Death for not honouring your father and mother)


Revelation 21:8 (Unbelievers, among others, go to hell)


1 Timothy 2:11-12 (Women subordinate and must remain silent)


1 Timothy 5:8 (If you don’t provide for your family, you are an infidel)

These verses mean nothing without the rest of the content, I can pick out versus as well and counter every one of these.