Death

[Dr Ric Head of My Penis Doctor Find all posts View Profile Close Dr Ric]

I have read Raymond A. Moody, Jr., MD, PhD "Life After Life" compilation in the late 1970's and more recently "Proof of Heaven" by Eben Alexander, MD (a Neurosurgeon's Journey into the Afterlife). I have had many spiritual experiences myself, and encourage anyone who wishes to explore this subject; the two above book compilations are excellent and very credible sources.

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These verses mean nothing without the rest of the content, I can pick out versus as well and counter every one of these.

Go ahead.

If you can do so that actually weakens the message of the bible, since it's incoherent.

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Go ahead.

If you can do so that actually weakens the message of the bible, since it's incoherent.

Nah, I was just saying that we can all find stuff that we can interpret differently or to counter what others see. I am not into arguing with the Bible, I dont find it incoherent at all, as a matter of fact I find it easy to understand.

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I provided a link to a brief transcript of Dr. Eben Alexander's book in post #27.

[faithandhope Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close faithandhope]

Religion as a whole has the bigger picture correct. I think that we are all apart of a Higher Being, Aka "God", but I don't believe in the term God itself. Also, individual religions are a man-made creation used as a means to control the masses. Their may be a higher power, but no religion in itself is credible. The Bible isn't a credible source for what happens after death, and neither is any other religion out there. We accept death, and move on spiritually. Our bodies are simply a means to express our spiritual being through consciousness.

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Well back to Quarzan's original post ( I usually understand his posts in the evening after a few rums- very deep stuff he writes) but in contemplating death why would that make you change your life. I think life should make you want to do what's right and fair and good, not the specter of death making one change.
Now as well if there is no afterlife, no existence beyond this, doesn't that just make all the beauty in the world we have as nothing more than a cosmic accident? Maybe some of you should google "Pascals' Wager" and think about it.

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The meek will inherit the earth, as a paradise earth. There is life after death and it will be a better life. One free of sickness and of sorrow, death will be no more!

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Pascal's wager refuted by none other than Homer Simpson:

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pascal's wager refuted by none other than homer simpson:

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lmfao!!!!

[Dr Ric Head of My Penis Doctor Find all posts View Profile Close Dr Ric]

Man has created religion which may have some spiritual elements, but has a propensity to perpetuate a sheep shepherd paradigm of duality which is unfortunate as it sets up a mechanism of control over the "sheep" ; looking at it cynically those in religious power wish to stay in power, eg. Catholic Church for the last 2K years. Their crusades were initiated to stomp out independent thinkers. The point I could make after many years of study is that this interesting concept keeps arising from mystical thinkers: the Creator created but "subsequently" wished to experience in a forgetful state to fully appreciate the experience, thus here we are, "Sparks of the Divine" engaged in a process of self awareness and an experiential appreciation of the creation by I AM- the meaning of life thought by some.

PS: Smell the flowers along the way and maintain a good sense of humor.

[Nachos87 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Nachos87]

I think most of us have too old fashioned ideas about death, so I'll give you something to think about.

Why do we die exactly? From a biological point of view, It doesn't really make any sense if we take into account today's standards and the way of living.

This is what I believe is happening: There's one main reason for reproduction, which is to mix the genes so some individuals happen to be immune to some deadly viruses, diseases... to make it through and continue repopulating it's species. Other reason is to replace the ones which died.
With this in mind, what would be the reason for dying? To make room for the new individuals? I guess that makes the most sense.
Now, with the medical advances, we can take out the reasons for reproduction: cures for diseases, other medical conditions... as well as no predators to kill us. Does anybody else sees the magic circle here?

We reproduce for no reason -> we die because we reproduce -> we reproduce in order to replace the dead individuals -> we die because we reproduce...

Don't get me wrong now. I'm not saying we just die in order to make room for new individuals... that's how our genes are programmed. They are killing us for the greater good. And modern man is too young to be evolving it's way out of death's path that quickly.

I was going to make a thread about this so I'll keep it short in here: They found the part of the genome which is making some animals old, they removed it and they lived twice as long. I believe that with time, they'll do the same with us and abolish ageing completely in the following 50 years.

EDIT: Also there is this marine animal which lives infinitely by replacing it's parts. So there's something to research also.

TL;DR: We will probably stop ageing in the near future.

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I believe the old Mosaic law was abolished after the death of Christ.I said the rest are ok because you can ask and be forgiven for even killing people.The bible does speak of a new heaven and the paradise earth BigO mentioned.

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I believe the old Mosaic law was abolished after the death of Christ.

It wasn't:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19

"As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man." Matthew 24:37

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The Sacrifice of Christ Jesus removed some things such as the need for sacrifice, the requirements of circumcision and many other things from mosaic law. The law after Christ is to love thy neighbor and to seek God through the lord Jesus Christ. Many of the things done during the times of the old testament were not always from the bible but from man adding to the laws.

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It wasn't:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19

"As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man." Matthew 24:37

Some of the laws were fulfilled because of the Christ Jesus, that does not mean that one may now kill but if one were to do so and then truly repent he may be forgiven, before the Christ Jesus there would not have been the opportunity to be forgiven.