Dieting (All diets welcome)

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yes it does



literally science disagrees with you..

it's able to maintain a consistent 85mg/dL

The Liver & Blood Sugar :: Diabetes Education Online (ucsf.edu)

First of all stop using a unhealthy medical condition to compare things. Diabetes has all it's own issues so use facts on healthy people.
Now the liver makes glucose i.e sugar. Did you actually read the abstract? Where does it make the glucose? From the glycogen it stored up when the body had enough sugar. How did the liver make the glycogen? From the sugar you gave it when you ate a Snickers bar or heaven forbid a strawberry! Did you ever take a biology course or read a biology textbook?

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First of all stop using a unhealthy medical condition to compare things. Diabetes has all it's own issues so use facts on healthy people.
Now the liver makes glucose i.e sugar. Did you actually read the abstract? Where does it make the glucose? From the glycogen it stored up when the body had enough sugar. How did the liver make the glycogen? From the sugar you gave it when you ate a Snickers bar or heaven forbid a strawberry! Did you ever take a biology course or read a biology textbook?

I was wondering if he'd ever realize that the link he provided actually provided information to support your statement, not his.

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I was wondering if he'd ever realize that the link he provided actually provided information to support your statement, not his.

You can't get 15 vitamins and nutrients from plants... it still does not matter, Sugar or fiber is not a nutrient......


Sugar is an anti-nutrient.




every single fruit is designer fruit, it's not even the real thing....




did you forget Plants are mono cropped .... there is no nutrients..... the number you see on google are most likely not even present..

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First of all stop using a unhealthy medical condition to compare things. Diabetes has all it's own issues so use facts on healthy people.
Now the liver makes glucose i.e sugar. Did you actually read the abstract? Where does it make the glucose? From the glycogen it stored up when the body had enough sugar. How did the liver make the glycogen? From the sugar you gave it when you ate a Snickers bar or heaven forbid a strawberry! Did you ever take a biology course or read a biology textbook?

your generation thinks animal fat is bad I have to drive 100 miles round trip just to get raw milk.... there is no bioaviable nutrients from plants most humans can't even convert A1 to vitamin A2... Who wants to waste hours and hours eating 10KG of carrots to get trace amounts of vitamin A1...



when you can eat a half kg of liver and your set for a long time...


in order for a human to grow muscle you need vitamin A2

if someone ate 10KG of carrots you would just turn yellow aka simpsonized that is natures punishment for eating them....

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did you forget Plants are mono cropped .... there is no nutrients..... the number you see on google are most likely not even present..

Sigh.........Yes, there are nutrients in plants foods. Testing of meat and plant foods is pretty routine. Our labs have conducted analytical testing, usually using HPLC, to test many types of food sources. We usually do this because we are looking to isolate particular compounds or to trace back causes of disease trends. Results vary by food type, where/how they are grown/raised, freshness, processing and packaging. While we generally find the expected nutrients in particular foods, we have noted reduced nutrients in some store bought plant foods AND MEAT products, as compared to wild counterparts or historical data. We also find undesirable compounds in some foods - especially in meats

Meats have a particular problem with what the animal was fed, living conditions, and drugs given to the animal. Plant foods main problem today is the quality of soil they're grown in as well as the popularity of buying cut up fruits and veggies. Shopper's preference for see-thru packaging also leads to degradation of some plant and meat foods.

Bottom line is that a good shopper can find nutritious meats and plant foods. Having a diet with some balance of both is the best way to ensure you're getting enough of the stuff your body needs. This is why both vegan and heavy meat-eater diets rank poorly in studies year after year.

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Sigh.........Yes, there are nutrients in plants foods. Testing of meat and plant foods is pretty routine. Our labs have conducted analytical testing, usually using HPLC, to test many types of food sources. We usually do this because we are looking to isolate particular compounds or to trace back causes of disease trends. Results vary by food type, where/how they are grown/raised, freshness, processing and packaging. While we generally find the expected nutrients in particular foods, we have noted reduced nutrients in some store bought plant foods AND MEAT products, as compared to wild counterparts or historical data. We also find undesirable compounds in some foods - especially in meats

Meats have a particular problem with what the animal was fed, living conditions, and drugs given to the animal. Plant foods main problem today is the quality of soil they're grown in as well as the popularity of buying cut up fruits and veggies. Shopper's preference for see-thru packaging also leads to degradation of some plant and meat foods.

Bottom line is that a good shopper can find nutritious meats and plant foods. Having a diet with some balance of both is the best way to ensure you're getting enough of the stuff your body needs. This is why both vegan and heavy meat-eater diets rank poorly in studies year after year.

yes but did the lab forgot that plants are not digestible for humans, it's unless you can secrete hexane which can dissolve fibre or ferment them like a cow ... Which creates usage amino acids, that is biologically available to humans


hexane is a biproduct of gasoline this is how they make useless protein isolates from plants using a chemical stripper/solvent ...



tell which plant has the full amino acids (Name that one plant that has all of them)


that does not require me to ferment them like a herbivore in my pretend rumen or use hexane to strip them from multiple plants to make isolate, you still can't get b12 omega 3 from plants.... and D3 A2 K2 B6(pyridoxal, pyridoxamine) etc...

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Oh my;plants are not digestible? So I eat a piece of spinach it comes out of my as looking the same? Humans cannot digest the cellulose in plants, you know the source of dietary fiber healthy for us. Plants are not only cellulose!

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yes but did the lab forgot that plants are not digestible for humans

The people in the lab, fortunately, understand the chemical composition of plants and human uptake better than you. The indigestible, or insoluble, part of plants is primarily cellulose (aka fiber). Different plants have varying amounts of cellulose/fiber. It's the non-cellulose part of plants that contain the important nutrients and that part is digested. The remaining cellulose fiber is important for humans to consume as it serves to improve the efficiency of the movement of matter in the digestive tract. The prevalence of a multitude of digestive system issues, including colon cancer, are reduced or avoided all together due to the presence of fiber in the digestive tract.

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tell which plant has the full amino acids (Name that one plant that has all of them)

Soybeans have all the amino acids required for humans.

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Soybeans have all the amino acids required for humans.

The "complete protein" argument against vegetarianism/veganism is unfounded in science. Studies have shown that a plant based diet contains enough of all the amino acids to fulfill human protein requirements as long as you are meeting your daily calorie intake requirements.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6893534/


This analysis, which looked at oat, lupin, wheat, hemp, microalgae, soy, brown rice, pea, corn, and potato shows that the only source tested that does not contain a complete amino acid profile was microalgae. Literally every other plant tested contains every amino acid.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6245118/


I will use a direct quote from this next research article:
"We know today that it is virtually impossible to design a calorie-sufficient diet, whether it is based on meat, fish, eggs, various vegetarian diets or even unprocessed whole natural plant foods, which is lacking in protein and any of the amino acids."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29786804/


I would recommend not arguing with Thick_Unit on this subject as his views are based on Youtube videos instead of science and he has no intention to actually educate himself.

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I would recommend not arguing with Thick_Unit on this subject as his views are based on Youtube videos instead of science and he has no intention to actually educate himself.

Agreed. I don't have any expectation that Thick-Unit will recognize these facts or go any deeper than headlines and sensationalist media. My primary reason for the back and forth is to put factual info on this thread to help others reading it make informed decisions about their diet.

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Agreed. I don't have any expectation that Thick-Unit will recognize these facts or go any deeper than headlines and sensationalist media. My primary reason for the back and forth is to put factual info on this thread to help others reading it make informed decisions about their diet.

The absolute right thing to do. Put out the truth so those interested can read and maybe do a bit of their own research.

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Well this thread has run it's course for me so before I leave it I'll make one last diatribe.

Vegan diet, no only raw meat or whatever; it's all so silly. Oh you can't digest this or you don't get that from what you eat but you need it. The irony is that we can sit and argue all day about it because we're all fat and happy.
You see we live in a country that has a bountiful food supply and we have enough money to choose what to eat. You only want to eat veggies or raw meat? Go right ahead and do it because we can go buy it. Hey do you think if all the meat became contaminated for a while a meat eater would eat veggies? No you're right he'd just sit there and starve to death!
Thousands of years ago humans ate what they had. If they had meat they ate it. No meat then whatever they thought looked good growing in the ground they shoved in their mouths. The human body evolved to be able to digest meat plant fish because it had to.

So argue what diet is better and who is getting poisoned eating what you don't. Then run down to the store and buy what makes you happy but remember you only have that choice because of the country you live in.

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Might be time to do a run to Trader Joe's!

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Well this thread has run it's course for me so before I leave it I'll make one last diatribe.

Well said. I think it's time for me to step from this particular discussion, as well. I'll also leave with one more comment. Two things come up time and time again as I've studied human health for the past 30 years - moderation and balance.