Extending for optimal gains

[Azmike Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Azmike]

Congrats. I am also a proud shower I have never been embarrassed about my size, but I am happy it’s longer because of PE. I love the stealth sleeve but each to their “own device”.

QUOTE=TeoDeles;1668829]Natural turtling goes away when you are training correctly.
From an embarrassed grower I ve become a proud shower
And I ve never put any anti turtling sleeve on my dick.[/QUOTE]

[TeoDeles Senior Member Member of the Month July 2018 Find all posts View Profile Close TeoDeles]

Congrats. I am also a proud shower I have never been embarrassed about my size

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I was not feeling good about my Flaccid size because I was an extreme grower . I was OK with my Erect size.

[TeoDeles Senior Member Member of the Month July 2018 Find all posts View Profile Close TeoDeles]

How long about does it take to start seeing results if you’re training correctly?

Also, I’m having a little difficulty deciding what exactly means loose on the first set. I know we have discussed the base lifting off the fat pad. But does that mean lifting off without grabbing it? Or give it a little tug and see if there’s play? And what do you mean when you say the first set? are you referring to at the end of the hour if it’s loose.

I’m 2 weeks in and still have not added anything.

The flaccid results came after 3 weeks.
As you are wearing the STATIC extender , in the 1st set the dick is not loose. Then in the 2ns set it becomes more loose and in the 3d set it becomes even looser.
If you do more than 4 sets , your dick is starting fighting back by becoming stiffer... so thats why the recomendation is 2 to 4 sets per day and thats why the best results are happening by this volume.
As the days are passing by , your dick is starting adapting this this fixed static length and your dick is more loose in the 1st and 2nd and 3d set.
The day that your dick is so loose in the fixed length on the 1st set as it was on the 3d( some days ago) then its time to progress in length by adding one little rod (0,2 to 0,5cm).
The definition of loose dick in the extender is very clear and very simple:
a) Your dick is very bentable when you are pressing gently the shaft with your finger
b) Its thicker in the extender because its not so stretched anymore
c) You are not feeling any feelings of being stretched anymore
d) The base is loose on your fat bad so the upper part of the base is like falling down

[cloudstrife1 Member Find all posts View Profile Close cloudstrife1]

I did and I was 11cm flaccid now i am 16cm flaccid

[TeoDeles Senior Member Member of the Month July 2018 Find all posts View Profile Close TeoDeles]

I did and I was 11cm flaccid now i am 16cm flaccid

You did what?

[peforever Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close peforever]

The flaccid results came after 3 weeks.
As you are wearing the STATIC extender , in the 1st set the dick is not loose. Then in the 2ns set it becomes more loose and in the 3d set it becomes even looser.
If you do more than 4 sets , your dick is starting fighting back by becoming stiffer... so thats why the recomendation is 2 to 4 sets per day and thats why the best results are happening by this volume.
As the days are passing by , your dick is starting adapting this this fixed static length and your dick is more loose in the 1st and 2nd and 3d set.
The day that your dick is so loose in the fixed length on the 1st set as it was on the 3d( some days ago) then its time to progress in length by adding one little rod (0,2 to 0,5cm).
The definition of loose dick in the extender is very clear and very simple:
a) Your dick is very bentable when you are pressing gently the shaft with your finger
b) Its thicker in the extender because its not so stretched anymore
c) You are not feeling any feelings of being stretched anymore
d) The base is loose on your fat bad so the upper part of the base is like falling down

I don’t have an extender, butbwanted to stretch more after pump and clamp and cumming since my penis feels so stretchy. Sometimes I do basic stretch or half turn bundle up stretch for 30 min sessions while I work just holding a stretch. Do you think this is a good idea or extender works differently? I believe stretching after girth work and cumming works much better.

[TeoDeles Senior Member Member of the Month July 2018 Find all posts View Profile Close TeoDeles]

I don’t have an extender, butbwanted to stretch more after pump and clamp and cumming since my penis feels so stretchy. Sometimes I do basic stretch or half turn bundle up stretch for 30 min sessions while I work just holding a stretch. Do you think this is a good idea or extender works differently? I believe stretching after girth work and cumming works much better.

People are having less stretchable tissues after girth work and cumming....so do I.
So I don't know what you re talking about

[domo Member Find all posts View Profile Close domo]

PRODUCTIVE INTENSITY
Your dick in the extender under the spring tension should NOT be tight… meaning that the tension have to be low…
Your dick have to be able to get a little bent when you are pushing your finger on your shaft while being under the tension.
The tension that creates this effect is maximum around 500grams.

If you are using length progressions then make sure to put so many rods that allow the same shaft effect to happen and when you see that from the 1^st session of the day your dick is very loose in the extender under the same rod length … then its time to add a small rod increament od 0.2 to 0,5 cm and repeat the proccess after 5 to 10 days that your dick will have gained MFSL( and possible EL) and it will be loose once again.

ALL of the non gainers they were describing the pulling as an uncomfortable/little painfull pulling.
Your dick should feel like its in dick vacations in the extender if you want to make gains.

Now that we spoke about the productive intensity lets talk about the productive volume.

PRODUCTIVE VOLUME

You should always be doing 1h extending sets… anything more than that is risking a glans injury either you are using a strap or a vac extender.
When you will finish your set you will take 30 mins of rest NOT less.
Then you will go for your next set and do the same and then 1 more set.
So 1h / 30m break / 1h /30m break / 1h END OF DAILY VOLUME.
The 3h has shown to be the sweet spot for most of the extending big gainers. ( there are some exceptions of cource).

PRODUCTIVE FREQUENCY

The rule here is to workout 5 days/week and take 2 rest days.
The best way to do it is by not doing more than 3 workout days in a row… the 4^th day should be a rest day to let the tissues adapt and recover.
So the perfect frequency is 3on/1off-2on/1off and every 3d week throw 2 days of rest in a row.

DEEPER RECOVERY BREAKS FOR CONTINUE GROWTH

Every 3 months on the program take 1 week off for deeper recovery for continious growth.

That’s all.

Does the intensity described here work with the Phallosan forte. I know products like andro etc. were mentioned but just wanted to check if that would apply with an ADS?

Thanks

[TeoDeles Senior Member Member of the Month July 2018 Find all posts View Profile Close TeoDeles]

If you mean a belt system then it s not the optimal way cause the tension or the stretched length will not be stable.

[domo Member Find all posts View Profile Close domo]

If you mean a belt system then it s not the optimal way cause the tension or the stretched length will not be stable.

Would you recommend the andropenis over the PF belt system? Have you had experience with both by any chance?

[TeoDeles Senior Member Member of the Month July 2018 Find all posts View Profile Close TeoDeles]

Andropenis+Front piece of Penimaster classic.
They are compatible and you create the perfect static extender.

[known Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close known]

TeoDeles, I personally feel your hypothesis is 100% correct.

I'm using extender for 1.5 month and every time I try to wear it for over a 1h, my dick is starting to be much more sensitive. I usually take the extender off, taking rest for some time and go back.

Also after each 3-4 days I feel that I need a day of two off.

I think I've gained around 0.5 in 1.5m so it's really good result.

I've got also a bathmate. What do you think about combination of these two?

[TeoDeles Senior Member Member of the Month July 2018 Find all posts View Profile Close TeoDeles]

"""TeoDeles, I personally feel your hypothesis is 100% correct.""" Its not a hypothesis its proven from me and a lot of other members.

"""I think I've gained around 0.5 in 1.5m so it's really good result."""" Great results that can be accomplished only by optimal extending

"""I've got also a bathmate. What do you think about combination of these two?""" In my case any kind of pumping is making my dick tissues stiffer and it is ruinning the length gains. So I d say , do NOT use it until you reach your length goal.

Which extender, at what tension and how many hours/day?

[known Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close known]

Jes-Extender, now 1200-2000g - it depends how I feel tension atm.

For first month I tried not to exceed 2h/day.
Now I'm trying to make 3h/day but I'm quite busy so it's 2-3h/day.

In my case any kind of pumping is making my dick tissues stiffer and it is ruinning the length gains. So I d say , do NOT use it until you reach your length goal.

There are various opinions on the forum but I'll try to follow your advice and check it empirically

[Scribbles Member Find all posts View Profile Close Scribbles]

I got to congratulate you on this in depth research, could you please tell me what else could a man to do optimise his gains as much possible? Besides warming up and extending by your proven method.