"From PE to MMO"- Minuteman's Orgasmic log

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This morning i started with my routine, but when i started to do the sync kegel edging my body (or better yet my pennis ) lost interest so i stopped, no need to force anything.

Anyway yesterday i go my hand on a nice book about MMO. It is called "How to make love all night" by Barbara Keesling.


It is a good short book about MMO that more or less touches upon the same things that we have here. It is a good motivational tool and also have some good exercises that i plan to incorporate in my mmo training. While i already achieved what this book is about (mostly) i found some interesting things that i didn't notice before.

First of all in the book she makes a difference between arousal level and erection level, the difference that I didn't notice (like i didn't notice the fact that orgasm and ejaculation where to different processes).

But one of the most interesting things and the good pathway to more enjoyment and ultimately RO is the Plateau, or the ability to maintain your arousal on a fixed level, so if i master the ability to maintain my arousal at the lover levels in time i will master the ability to maintain my arousal at PONR. Since the feeling at the PONR is usually the most pleasurable, by "stretching" the plateau i might go into RO.

One more good point that this book is making is that people tend to rush to the PONR thinking that only there is where the pleasure lies. I'm probably now in that group and i should fix that in times to come. The book mentions Sensate Focus and explains in depth why is it important, it can be viewed as a form of balooning but it is a little more sophisticated than that. It also recommend focusing on not off your pleasures.

In the end the book notes that it is ment to teach you how to mmo, but only the first steps (i.e dry orgasm then orgasm) the rest is up to individual. And for the purpose that is ment it does just fine. Book is around 80 pages long so there are no unnecessary stuff, and almost all that i read there applied more or less to me. Same as this forum this book came just when i needed it.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Karma.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Probably, let's hope it's good karma

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Just to say i'm alive.

So far no new things, the DO's are progressing good, but I noticed that if i don't DO at least one in 3 days i lose the feeling of how should i do it, not only that but my body returns to the state where it thinks that i ejaculated with my DO. Not having a steady relationship does not help. Sweet irony of all i shat my premature ejaculation is acutally helping me get the hang of it quite fast even if the break is longer since i take much less time bo come to ponr, but overall longer time than when i started this all.

Today (for now) i DOed 3-4 times, i will probably DO a few times more. I was close to RO today but didn't make it at least now i'm not that much bothered with RO, but i'm aware that it is myself that is stopping me from having RO. The problem is of course limited time, it puts pressure on me. The first weeks that i started this where not overburdened with everything else, so i had much time for myself by myself, thanks to that i was able to progress this much. Now i simply don't have time to take it slow, and taking it slow is usually the best way. So now i'm only concentrating on keeping my DOs and doing some kegels. I simply haven't got enough time and privacy to start working on my plateau and arousement levels.

I noticed also that it is much better to do kegels when erect and not to do as much when limp simply because it brings better results. I can clench my pelvic floor muscles much more when erect than when limp. Of course I tend to do both.

I more or less gave up on revese kegles beacuse they didn't give as much results. At some points doing reverse kegles at ponr would activate the ejaculation part. Simply regular kegels are more natural while revese kegles somehow feel wrong, and one should listen to his body. That is it for now.

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Thanks for the update, Minuteman,
It sounds like you are making very good progress with your DOs. Perhaps setting aside the Reverse Kegels for a while is a good idea though you will probably want to try them again later. They are excellent for control development.

[joeboy Member Find all posts View Profile Close joeboy]

Wow.. I'm very inspired Minuteman. I'm a minute-man myself so I know the feeling... It's frustrating when you blow so quickly all the time!

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

joeboy: It is, or better yet it was until I learned how to make my disadvantage an advantage. The book i posted up there might help you. It is important to have your pace, and even if it sounds too cliche, one of the most important thing is to love yourself and enjoy the process not just the goal. Even now, sometimes, i re-read my posts for motivation.

Ok now time for the update.

Later that night (the day i posted the last message here) i got some free time with no pressure, so i decided to pleasure myself (this is making much more sense to me now than before, in other words i was not pleasuring my dick, but my self and my dick as the part of myself).

The room was dark and cold but i was in bed. I started to caress myself gently all over my body, not focusing much on the penis, just focusing on the pleasure, i started to imagine things, create a story a setting to get me in the mood. I usually don't do such things but i decided to do it because i felt that i need something like that. I focused on feeling with all of my body not just my penis. I focused on the blankets (they are very soft to the touch) touching my body, on the caresses and on the emotion.

Because of the all of the DOs that day i was very hard. But i left my penis alone and focused on the sensation on my body, as before i tried to let myself go, but not force myself. I imagined my self as both male and female. The result was very pleasurable. My erection was extremly hard, my body hot. (I'm getting horny just by writing this...) . After some time all the sensations in my body somehow went up a notch, and slowly but gradually a was getting close to WO. The good thing about it was that wasn't even bothered by it, I was in the now.

After some more time i gently rolled into WO (here is probably where premature ejaculation problem, and my overall sensitivity worked for me not against me, one should not distance oneself away from the pleasure but dive straight into it). I noticed it by having a strangely relaxed pelvic floor muscles, and of course the insane pleasure. But at some point i for some reason (probably focused to much on the fact that it was a WO, or my body just could take any more of those) jumped out and went straight into the full blown orgasm. Orgasm, which I, flawlessly if i might add, turned into a perfect DO.

Still having an powerful erection i decided that that was it for the night. I could sleep for some time due to the excitement.

That morning i woke up with an erection, so i decided to give it a little loving, but didn't DO just stopped at the PONR (one must be careful not to damage the pelvic floor muscles from all those DOs ). Later that day, still felling motivated i decided to go out and to a little walking with my friend. We walk for some time that i decided to run. I wasn't in condition but thanks to all that testosterone and adrenaline i didn't even felt fatigue. After going home I decided to have a long bath to relax those muscles and to mastrubate myself all the way with no DOs or anything.

Now, almost all of my muscles hurt (but somewhat pleasurable like the pain of progress and satisfaction ), but i feel very satisfied and full of energy.

I intentionally didn't ejaculate before because i noticed that i have much more stamina when doing other excerses and running, and i will in future probably incorporate edging in my cardio and other workouts. I'm sorry if this is overly dramatized and stuff, but i wanted for the reader to feel at least a little bit of positive energy and passion that i felt during this.

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I'm getting good with this DOs. I had tree DOs one after another (chained) with just one kegel hold. I started holding it at first but didn't stop edgeing (very intense) after the third one i stopped because it was to intense/hard.

One of the problems i noticed is that after the first DO i just kinda lose interest and my penis start going limp, but not like after ejaculation, more like simply losing the interest. If i don't rush to PONR i almost always have no hope of regaining the hardness i had. I guess my body will get used to it in time. For some reason my arousal level also drops, i'm yet to find the way to fix this.

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This morning i did a little edging and a few DOs and noticed that my muscle is getting sore so around 2 hours after i decided to masturbate and ejaculate so that my penis can have some well deserved down time. As I ejaculated i was surprised by the how far my semen flew away (and a little irked, since i had to clean all that mess , good thing it was at the bathroom not in my room) and by the amount that have gone out. The one more thing that surprised me was that about 40% of it was somewhat like precum in other word transparent and not white, but i guess that was due to all those DOs that i had these days. I will probably give it a rest a day or so (or more if needed be) to help muscles heal.

[joeboy Member Find all posts View Profile Close joeboy]

Okay I tried some 12 minutes edging last night (could be longer but accidentally went over it). My style was turning on the porn, start masturbating, then as I'm near ponr (took me only 2 mins wtf) I will stop and then go strong reverse kegel, and then triangular breathing (inhale 5 sec, hold 5 sec, exhale 5 sec), very quickly my arousal drop from 9 to around 7, then i start masturbating again, didn't take another minute to get to ponr again, same stuff, R.K. then Triangular breathing.. until i accidentally went over board.

Am I doing okay? Any suggestions? I'm also trying the MM's advice on edging then work on sth else, then later on edge again.

On a side note, I find that I could be masturbating for 3-5 minutes without any porn, sometimes longer, as my arousal wasn't there like when I was watching porn, just the erection.

Joe

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Minuteman, the link isn't working?

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

joeboy:

Ok read all of this carefully, first of all, while i regularly use porn for getting more horny (very good after the first DO in the beginning), you , like me before, use porn in the very wrong way.

For now it is wiser not to use porn but too try to stimulate your self via your imagination, it might be hard in the beginning but it is better. Why?
Because when you are watching pron you almost immediately go into fully erected state. This is wrong. Remember this: the more you can use your imagination, the closer you are to lasting longer. Same goes with the gradualness, foreplay is used for a reason.

Allow your dick to go into a full erection without stimulation, or if you can't then start waching porn, but don't undress and don't rub your penis in any way, let him be erected for a while let him/you start wishing to rub it rather that rubbing straight away. Also go slow not fast (and fix that problem that you have ASAP), feel the sensations more.

Also for now don't go with the strong reverse kegel or any kegel at all, just stop at the PONR stop and wait (and do that triangular breating... good thing you told me about that i will incorporate that in my sessions) till the wish to cum is gone, if you notice that by stroking it two or three times you are again at PONR stop for a while and do something else (it is hard to resist the tempation but it will work in the long run).

As Pegasus masterfully noticed it the other thread (Implications) it is about skill not strength. That goes for both the kegel and the reverse kegel. I notice that for exaple i use less and less strength while DOing and more skill, same goes for the reverse orgasms.

The most important thing is to alway start slow, when you jerk of a not full erected penis you are telling your brain that you want to cum as soon as possible, avoid that.
The idea behind stopping for an hour or so is to get used to the state of high arousal, since arousal and erection levels (as you will notice aren't the same), basically you will be horny for most of the time.

Long story short:

Do this for at least a week (or until you fix that problem you are having)
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1. Don't do any kind of kegels for now while edging
2. Use porn only to get you erect, then turn it of and use your imagination
3. GO SLOW!
4. Stop when you see that you are approaching the PORN to fast after your last PONR and do something else.
5. Ejaculate every two or three days (try to avoid ejaculating daily because you want to get used to the state of being high aroused for longer period of time)
6. In the mean time learn to balloon. (for me it is placing two fingers under the glands, it dosn't matter if you have foreskin or not over it, and SLOWLY rub clockwise or counter clockwise when erect, also do not ejaculate stop at PONR)
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Also since i am a beginner myself i urge the other experienced members to review what i said here and give an OK or not, since i may be wrong and the feedback would be good for both me and joeboy.

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As for me, i'm trying to do a reverse kegel without moving other stuff (especially my belly) i think i am beginning to understand just how week my reverse kegel is, and more and more the theory in the Implications topic (the one about premature=stronger kegels and delayed= stronger reverse kegels if i understood it correctly ) begins to make sense, that is probably why in the beginning the reverse kegles (although done with moving all the rest) where effective to prolong at least a little more my edging time.

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Today's session was terrible.

Not only did I noticed that i was rushing to PONR, but i had several partial ejaculations (or partial DOs) and got into a downward spiral. What irritates me the most was the fact that after all my training in preventing rushes and doing it slow, I myself have failed me. If was not until 4 or 5 partial DO that i stopped and asked myself "What the fuck am I doing?" it felt like beating a dead horse, no sensations no emotions nothing, i was mostly half erect, pathetic. Then only good thing about all this is the fact that I noticed my wrongness. I simply wasn't able to get into it, I forced my self to get into it, i feel like i betrayed myself.

It looks like i'm facing my first diminishing returns, a good sign that i should give it a rest a little bit. The good thing about people like me is that we progress fast but in return are never satisfied and always looking for more.

At least writhing here lets me get off my steam, and correct my errs. The best thing to do now is remember my mistakes and get my mind of it, no good comes from too much dwelling.

On another note, and another good thing about this mishap or whatever, is that i got more understanding for just how much the thought process can be bad for sex/edge/etc. In other words the closer i am to my brain (thinking about stuff that aren't used as imagination to fuel my enjoyment) the further I am from my sensations. Almost the moment my mind starts to think about ejaculation, dry orgasms, rolling orgasms and whatnot, moments after i will start getting to PONR in a wrong way (not gradual but forced), me being a natural worrier doesn't help me at all, it is very hard for me to make those thoughts disappear. Even though I can feel much and am sensitive that part of me that is constantly worrying is bad for many things.

I have come to an understanding that healing premature ejaculation isn't just healing myself in sex matters but healing my life long problem, it is all connected.

Sweet irony is also that by healing my premature ejaculation i will heal a much bigger part of myself, or better yet the whole of myself.

I feel like a man climbing a high mountain and at the top I only notice that that top was actually a part of a even greater mountain. In other words while glad about my success only now I see just how big my problem is.

But I will climb and conquer that mountain dammit! AT LEAST NOW I CAN SEE WHERE I AM GOING!

[thebeast00777 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close thebeast00777]

quick question. Can "quickies' take you backwards in this journey because my Girl and I really sometimes try to get it in fast before someone wakes up lol. I dont really have a PE issue but i would like to prolong my stamina so i can go harder and faster longer. When having quickies i sometimes rapidly Kegal to make it faster. Is this bad?

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I'd say no, thats what a quickie is...fast sex ha ha ha! And sex will just make your penis even larger! Think about it!!! I mean..think about it! Sex is ULTIMATE exercise my friend! Ever notice when your girl is around your erections are huge as opposed to when your just...alone.