"From PE to MMO"- Minuteman's Orgasmic log

[joeboy Member Find all posts View Profile Close joeboy]

After my first DO tonight, I just tried to stimulate my dick to erection again, and got a DO again, but same thing my dick just gone soft. lol.

Yes. I ALWAYS feel much less satisfaction too, after the first DO. But at the first few times that I got DO, my dick would be just as hard, it's just my arousal dropped. This time, both my erection and arousal is gone.. What is the problem? How can I overcome it?

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Two different things can happen. Sometimes you can ejaculate back into the bladder, as you have ejaculated, you will lose erection in the normal way. This is a timing issue. The other possibility is that your body is used to losing erection after orgasm and is shuting it down. This is just a matter of geting your system used to non ejaculate orgasms through practise.
In your case, I suspect you have lost your timing a little and are having retro.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

The way i know that i have retro for example is that distinctive feeling of not being able to touch my head anymore at the point that it is almost painful, and if i continue the stimulation i have an urge to pee, and of course my pee isn't clear. I mostly force myself to pee after any session to see if i'm doing things right, and even have a special glass for pee (lol) to see is it clear or not, but most of the time you just know when it is a clean DO (because everything feels natural and there is no pressure or pain)

During the normal DO sometimes just my arouse level would fall down but my erection will last for a minute or so and gradually go limp because there is no arousal to keep it up, plus i lost the all the sensitivity in my head. This it probably my body saying (or thinking) that it can't make new sperm even after reabsorbing the one in there, but i'm just guessing here, plus the brain isn't used to that.

During other times my EQ will fall down to 8-7 but my arousal is moderate so i can go on and my penis will return to EQ 9 but for some time i would feel nothing much down there.

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If you have a DO and maintain erection but lose sensitivy, sometimes driving kegels and imagery can return it.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Another retro ejaculation... what way to start a day

And i almost knew that it is gonna end that way, there was no gradualness in my approach, it is my damn ego that i can't overcome. It is hard to be observant to connect with your self when your libido and eq are low.

Any way, even after my one day break my libido and my eq are terrible, so terrible in fact that even my penis size dropped down.

The things i noticed are, that the lower your eq the harder is to time the kegel right.

But i though i timed it right, because i have done it by reflex. But when i released the kegel after the spasms where gone, my penis continued to spasm like ejaculating but nothing came out, somehow i didn't remember to stop them, because they probably triggered the "i ejaculated now going limp" signal.

Even if i did stop watching porn i don't think it is because of that, maybe my body is trying to tell me something. maybe i'm stressed of but just don't notice. My libido is low and not even all the porn in the world couldn't probably change that now.

The problem now is that i'm in that negative cycle, rather in the positive one. And i need to find a way to get out of it, the MMO mastery isn't just about having multiple orgasms it is also about being able to regain the EQ at will with no forcing, i have to learn how to rise my libido without forcing it, and i have to learn how to accept the good and the bad days. Well nobody said it's gonna be easy right?

It is easy to master stuff when your libido and eq are soring high, when you ride the positive wave.

I am in no way sad, i am a little pissed of but is see this as yet another task to overcome on my road to MMO. Having the right mindset and not allowing your self to be brought down by a minor setbacks is a way to go. Now if i can apply all of this wisdom that would be great.

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Even young men have ups and downs in libido mm . A good surfer lets the bad waves go by and does not fret,when a good wave comes he is ready.

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Nicely said Pegasus!

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Imagine you wake up with your body aching and you head hurting, and you hate the world. And then you edge, and all the pain is gone, you head is clear and you love the world. Talk about a good medicine,eh?

Well that is exactly what happened to me.

Last night when i went to bead my libido was minus infinity, but even so started doing some sensate focus (in other words touching myself for the sake of touching myself, no ulterior motives involved). I recalled how in some point during the day i felt like my deletion of porn was a bed idea, and even though about searching for it again, but i'm glad i said "fuck no". So while touching myself i decided deiced to use my brain and crate a story, i doesn't have to be erotic just a story and well see where it will lead me.

As the story in my head progressed my penis decided that he want to join in to and started to get hard, now the smartest thing i did was not edging it, just continuing the sensate focus and the story, teasing myself more and more. After some time when he was ripe the edging began and it lasted for quite some time. But at the end of the edging session i decided not to ejaculate nor do, so i just calmed myself and went to sleep.

So back to this morning, as i said i wake up more or less felling like shit with no morning wood and all the pain and hate for the world. But then i continued my story from the last night and my penis was more than happy to oblige with constant EQ of 8-9.

The session lasted around 20-25 minutes and 15 minutes was dancing around ponr, getting in and out of wave orgasms and testing my kegels.

As the end came i tried to do, but my muscle was just not strong enough and i got a dribble to that continued into ejaculation (Actually i let it ejaculate, and that is a good move, remember IN THE BEGINNING/INTERMEDIATE NEVER RE-HOLD YOUR KEGEL WHILE DO-ing, when you become advanced you will be able to notice just when you can release and rehold, that is why technique is important, but it is also important not to do that because it results in a retro ejaculation if you don't know exactly when and how). The good thing was that it wasn't retro ejaculation.

Even so i feel good and refreshed my mind is at peace, and was now sure of several things:

First, you can't expect much from your sessions and wave orgasms if your body isn't feeling good, but it doesn't mean that you can't enjoy just don't expect to much, or better yet don't expect anything. My wave orgasms where pleasurable but very weak, and i couldn't ride the wave long, if i was inexperienced in those orgasms i wouldn't even notice them as any orgasms.

Second, solid, strong kegel muscles are a must if you with to reach higher levels of enjoyment, it doesn't have to be insanely strong but it has to be conditioned.

Third, if kegel hold a little before PONR doesn't help you lower down your erection level and get you away from PONR your PELVIC FLOOR MUSCLES ARE NOT STRONG ENOUGH!

Fourth, there are many non-kegel way to retreat from PONR or to maintain a level, don't relly just on kegels when you have an arsenal, it is much more arousing to try different things your EQ will remain constant but you will be in a pleasurable area just before PONR for a longer periods of time. Experiment and in it you will boost your libido, that you can use for so many things besides just sex. It is the moving, building, creational energies that move and inspire you.

The tools include (so far i found them, there is a lot more):
- Smiling (read some of the previous post for this in detail)
- Gently stroking and pressing with your hand the point between the penis and belly button but closer to the shaft. Also experiment with the contractions there and see what happens, more on this when i learn more about it.
- Using your body as grounding, in other words imagine your dick is a lighting rod, the pleasure is the thunder and your body is the ground that absorbs it. When the "thunder" strikes it goes to the rod, and into the ground where it spreads and slowly weakens

Fifth if you can't breathe when you do a kegel hold, you are doing it wrong. While bracing muscles to intensify the kegel is a good technique later on it can fool you in thinking you have a strong kegel in the beginning, when you don't. The best way to see just how strong your kegels are is to do a Breath Kegels. Doing an erect breath kegel is even better, make sure you breath from the belly not the shoulders and upper lungs.

When doing an erect kegel notice how while holding your kegel your penis raises a little, well try holding it and breath , if it falls down you aren't able to seprate pevlic floor muscles from your lower abs.

To see how feels to hold a kegel without engaging the lower abs, tire your lover abs by moving your stomach in and out VERY fast for 30 seconds to minute, then do a kegel hold and breath in and out. Your abs will be not clench since they are tired, and you will feel exactly how it feels, remember that feeling, because that should be your goal. Once you master it, your DOs will be mich easier to perform. I know this because before i did that but didn't even notice and my DOs where good, after some time i started bracing the lower abs for more power and stopped breathing and pretty much fucked it up good, so now i have to retrain, which is harder than training.

sixth What to benchmark your kegels? Do 10 of each flacid kegels (including the reverse kegels and the mentioned variations of the revese kegels), and you will see just how developed your kegel muscles are. If your pevlic floor muscle feels very fatigued then you need more training, it is important to be honest to yourself, if you aren't if will fuck you up later on, and you will have to come back like i am now.

I did the 10 of each, and noticed that my kegel isn't good enough, plus the retro ejaculations and dribble DOs are further prof of that. The ultimate benchmark is a Breath Kegel and its EQ8-9 variation, I did it and the flacid was so-so but the EQ8-9 i FAILED MISERABLY!

seventh If you during one edging session are able to learn at least one new thing about your self, no matter how small it is. Consider that edging session successful.

Well my spirits are high and i'm ready to face the world today I hope that some of this will help you get yours up if it's down, the spirits i mean

[TTBB Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close TTBB]

Maybe if you are craving porn ..instead of looking for vid clips or visual stimulus maybe look for erotic/sexual-lit. Reading things like that can help fine tune the minds imagination and helps develop mind narratives for sexual fantasy And its also normal for people to go through writers block even with fantasies .so it can be a good fallback if the mind is drawing a blank.

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Maybe if you are craving porn ..instead of looking for vid clips or visual stimulus maybe look for erotic/sexual-lit. Reading things like that can help fine tune the minds imagination and helps develop mind narratives for sexual fantasy And its also normal for people to go through writers block even with fantasies .so it can be a good fallback if the mind is drawing a blank.

Yes i use the sex stories from time to time to fuel my imagination, it is simply that sometimes that isn't enough. And trough observing myself i noticed that my craving of porn, is more like habit than the real craving, but in moments of weakness one will search for any excuse to justify its low libido.

Also sometimes the body itself just isn't in it, and due to my ego i sometimes can't accept that. It is the ego that is my main problem in all of this, my inability to accept that there are days that just aren't good for edging. As the time passes i hope that i will mature enough to honestly not give a damn when my libido isn't high, and just have honest fun doing something else and not be bothered by it, just as i have honest fun when edging on the good days.

The good thing in all of this is that my periods of depression are much shorted than before, when i would be pissed of for days.

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Tried out the Whisper Kegel/Root Lock hold and found it to actually prolong the PONR zone, I need more practice but it is definitely useful, although i found that the Whisper reverse kegel (no root lock) hold variation to be even more useful to me in prolonging the ponr zone/plateau.

As a result of all this fine tuning i had a clean DO (no pain, no leaking) but my erection gradually went down, some how the unconscious kegel spasms that i do after releasing the kegel hold after DO seem to be sending the signals to my brain that i ejaculated, i got to look into it more.

EDIT:

No more than 10 minutes and managed to return to EQ8 with just a little less asrousal

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Hmm, the problem with the stronger kegel muscles is that your unconscious kegels also become stronger.

Any way i decided to take a new approach for a while and see how it works:

Instead of having a DO and just stopping there, i will have a DO and then masturbate myself until ejaculation, to try and make that as a habit. Of course this will require time but it actually might be the right way. And i will do that just when i have a clean DO. I will try to space it a little so that the DO and ejaculation aren't that close (minimum a 3 minute in between).

Since the premature ejaculation can and is mostly a thing of habit, maybe this can become one too. Meanwhile i will try and stop those spasms that occur when i release a kegel hold, it is only a question of should i do it with another kegel hold, or should i do a reverse kegel hold...

As for the kegels routine, i am doing one sporadicly with no specific number in mind:

I have been doing Breath kegels/root lock and Breath kegel/root lock hold (both flacid and erect variants), and was able to breath during a DO almost normally, and i did them like two, three days sporadicly.

Instead on normal kegels now I mostly do the wave kegels, and regularly do whisper kegels/root locks. I trow in the reverse kegel variants of wave and whisper here and there when i feel like it.

All of them are medium to week strength and i have none of the fatigue.

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Minute
you still around man?

I dont really have time to read through the whole thread
I just wanted to touch base on something I have recently learned.. while reaching the PONR I totally clamp off my BC, when the urge subsides I let go but my penis continues to spasm.
Now normally I would try to fight these spasms thinking they would lead to ejaculation, but what I have found is that If I allow the spasms to occur, Vioala! dry orgasm!

Its a long lasting slow orgasm, and although a little fluid comes out it is not sperm

Just wanted to see your thoughts on this,
also,
my desire levels drop allowing for continued stroking, although it takes a while to get that intensity or desire going again and after the second time my EQ is shot
any thoughts?

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

This a really great thread! Kudos to you guys!

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Minute
you still around man?

I dont really have time to read through the whole thread
I just wanted to touch base on something I have recently learned.. while reaching the PONR I totally clamp off my BC, when the urge subsides I let go but my penis continues to spasm.
Now normally I would try to fight these spasms thinking they would lead to ejaculation, but what I have found is that If I allow the spasms to occur, Vioala! dry orgasm!

Its a long lasting slow orgasm, and although a little fluid comes out it is not sperm

Just wanted to see your thoughts on this,
also,
my desire levels drop allowing for continued stroking, although it takes a while to get that intensity or desire going again and after the second time my EQ is shot
any thoughts?

Yep still around but not in the mood to edge for a good period now.

As for the spasms, yea I have them just after releasing the pelvic floor muscles, but i usually stop them since i feel almost no pleasure form them and they usually make my erection falls down much more quickly then when chose to either reverse kegel them or do a regular hold, but i'm new to that area so my knowledge is very limited but i think there is more to it. Maybe Pegasus can provide more insight. Play around more since you are in the mood.

Well first it is because you haven't got much stimulation for the second time, i mean if you where with some girl it would probably be different. Also you brain is still used to stop after "ejaculation" so it is a reflex that you will retrain in time.

Also one thing I don't know is if that will lead to retro ejaculation, since if there was emission and those muscles are spasming then the sperm must go somewhere, just for curiosity sake, piss in a cup of something shortly after those spasm (if you can) and if the piss is not clear you probably retro ejaculated, but I don't think that is the case here.


Also thanks CUSP82