"From PE to MMO"- Minuteman's Orgasmic log

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

quick question. Can "quickies' take you backwards in this journey because my Girl and I really sometimes try to get it in fast before someone wakes up lol. I dont really have a PE issue but i would like to prolong my stamina so i can go harder and faster longer. When having quickies i sometimes rapidly Kegal to make it faster. Is this bad?

I'd say it depends on the ratio, if you have more quickies and less, there is a probability that it will turn into a habit, and one of the sources of PE is actually that your body is used to ejaculate quickly.

Rushing to finish can lead and will lead into PE eventually, having a quickie from time to time is ok, but having it most of the time, that i would not recommend. Kegeling rapidly can also create a nasty habit that is connected to PE.

Bottom line (but taken into account that i have no experience in sex) i it can be bad, so refrain of doing it much.

And bgstick with no disrespect but it think you are off. Just because it is sex it doesn't mean it can't be bad, or have bad consequences. If he is lying down doing nothing then it is not an exercise. If he is tuning his body to quickly come that can't be good sex or no sex.

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Today's session was terrible.

Not only did I noticed that i was rushing to PONR, but i had several partial ejaculations (or partial DOs) and got into a downward spiral. What irritates me the most was the fact that after all my training in preventing rushes and doing it slow, I myself have failed me. If was not until 4 or 5 partial DO that i stopped and asked myself "What the fuck am I doing?" it felt like beating a dead horse, no sensations no emotions nothing, i was mostly half erect, pathetic. Then only good thing about all this is the fact that I noticed my wrongness. I simply wasn't able to get into it, I forced my self to get into it, i feel like i betrayed myself.

It looks like i'm facing my first diminishing returns, a good sign that i should give it a rest a little bit. The good thing about people like me is that we progress fast but in return are never satisfied and always looking for more.

At least writhing here lets me get off my steam, and correct my errs. The best thing to do now is remember my mistakes and get my mind of it, no good comes from too much dwelling.

On another note, and another good thing about this mishap or whatever, is that i got more understanding for just how much the thought process can be bad for sex/edge/etc. In other words the closer i am to my brain (thinking about stuff that aren't used as imagination to fuel my enjoyment) the further I am from my sensations. Almost the moment my mind starts to think about ejaculation, dry orgasms, rolling orgasms and whatnot, moments after i will start getting to PONR in a wrong way (not gradual but forced), me being a natural worrier doesn't help me at all, it is very hard for me to make those thoughts disappear. Even though I can feel much and am sensitive that part of me that is constantly worrying is bad for many things.

I have come to an understanding that healing premature ejaculation isn't just healing myself in sex matters but healing my life long problem, it is all connected.

Sweet irony is also that by healing my premature ejaculation i will heal a much bigger part of myself, or better yet the whole of myself.

I feel like a man climbing a high mountain and at the top I only notice that that top was actually a part of a even greater mountain. In other words while glad about my success only now I see just how big my problem is.

But I will climb and conquer that mountain dammit! AT LEAST NOW I CAN SEE WHERE I AM GOING!

You have no reason to be worked up; it was just a bad session. Just two days ago you were able to masturbate for 2 hours! I wish i could go on for that long without busting. You're writing about thinking too much about the ejaculation, DO, and even losing interest after DO sometimes. Don't you think these issues would disappear during actual sex with a woman? And that's why you're doing all this stuff anyhow -- to be better in bed -- right? Have you translated all this training into actual sex so far?

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Tnx for the support. If i could translate it to sex i would believe me. But i'm in such situation where finding a girl of my taste is somewhat hard, and i just don't want (no matter how lame it sounds) to have sex because of sex, i just can't.

At first, my reason was solely to be better in bed, actually to be able to satisfy my partner more, in some weird way it is my love and devotion to the girl that will be the one (the girl in the first post was just some misread signals from my side). But form that in time it transformed into something more, it became sort of my personal quest in reaching more pleasure (that happened when i first had my Rolling orgasms) and now it turns into a somewhat self healing process (plus the first two stuff...).


The rest is probably just a rant but i'll keep it anyway:

Several years before the girl that was for me the one, was involved with somebody else and even though she liked me, she loved him, and i respected that, now i simply can't be satisfied with any less felling then the one i felt then, and I tried, i didn't shut myself i searched. I have met a certain number of girls but there where simply didn't have "that" (i don't seek the copy of that girl, i seek the feeling). No sex in all the world couldn't replace that feeling. It sound lame even to me now that i'm writhing this but it is simply how it is.

I never had problem talking to girls, i know how to make them laugh, i know how to complement them, i know what they want from me when i see their eyes, it is so simple, and so boring. I like when a girl plays me, not the other way around. I like when a girl know she is lovely and isn't ashamed to use that, i like the girl with confidence and cheerfulness, she was that, other girls that i met till now are simply booring. And most importantly there has to be that feeling, the feeling when you just know that that is that.

I mean it sound silly but people are usually asking me for the love advices, and how to go to that girl or boy or whatnot, they are even asking me for lovemaking advices and they know that i have no real experience just understanding. And i give them, and almost always i guess right, wich isn't that hard at all.

Or maybe i'm just lying to myself... maybe i'm simply a coward afraid to let people in his life, Maybe i'm scared of being hurt, scared of change, scared of fear.

The only thing i know it that if i ever meet a girl that a have those feeling for i will not let go, but what is the point if she doesn't love you back.

Well, you asked :P

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Man, you need a girl. There is no "the one," just a series of acceptable ones. I don't think it's a good idea to wait for the perfect girl. You seem fairly young and should be experimenting, not worrying about your soul mate. What's the point of shaping yourself into a multi-orgasmic marathon-winning sex god if you aren't actually having sex, right? It's like assembling a rocket capable of reaching the stars but never taking it out of the garage. I'm only 18 and I know that the majority of girls my age aren't relationship material but that doesn't stop me from bending them over a few times, even if I don't find my size or stamina very impressive. I manage to almost always make them come one way or the other. Sometimes I stay hard after ejaculating if I'm really attracted and can then go on for ages, but still nowhere near as long as you're capable of -- so don't waste it.

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Your maturity is on the level, and you most of your points are correct, it is just that sex means nothing to me, if there inno mutual love involved i'm just kinda fucked up like that, what can i say.

But I am very grateful for cheering me up.

On a sidenote, just because i can last long with my hand doesn't mean that i will last long with a girl, as far as i know those are two entirely different things

[Jay48 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Jay48]

Have you ever considered trying the fleshlight stamina trainer thing? Apparently if you heat it up with warm water it feels close enough to the real thing.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

HAhaha XD , didn't and won't. I don't want to use any tools nor for MMO nor for future Penis Enlargement.

Before i started all this i was afraid how will i fair in bed, now i'm not i'm preety confident that i will drive her wild And if all fails my hands and lips will do the magic.

I have around 6 inches (15 cm, before i started this i had around 13cm,) and around 4 inches (12-13 cm) in grith, so i don't think there will be much problems (my goal for PE will probably be a 7X5 i see no point in getting bigger...or longer).

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You gained 2 cm through just long masturbation sessions?

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Well, yes. But i think it is because my erection quality went up.

Also to note, just to avoid confusion, not all of my sessions where long. Most of them where just several little sessions. In other words i would just dry orgasm and then continue later on (or before i would just reach PONR and just stop and continued later on).

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For how many weeks / months did you have to train your PC muscle before your first DO?

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Well reading the dates on first posts. (Taking in account that my kegels where somewhat in shape because of premature ejaculation) probably in 3 weeks or so. (the morning after my first rolling orgasms i had my first clean DO)

As pegasus several times pointed out it is more about the technique that it is about strength.

It is all about getting to know what happens in PONR and trial and error after that.

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Do you think it matters if you're circumcised or not? Does it make any difference in being able to achieve this?

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

I don't think it matters that much (or at all for that matter), if is just that the glands are more sensitive and that it is much easier (and with less lubricant, saliva in my case) to edge. All that it matter is how dedicated you are, observing the PORN and what happens there whit full concentration, as time pases you will understand things about PONR more and more and will know exactly when to kegel, also don't rush, I didn't rush even if it took (only) 3 weeks, it just felt ready to try, honestly felt ready to try.

Also doing it with your girl (if she is patient and willing to help) will probably bring more enjoyment but try to do it alone from time to time, because when observing the PONR you will need peace and quiet and no distraction.

Using the six steps i told joeboy in some posts before will probably be a good start for you also.

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Your situation is unusual Mm, most guys take far longer to achieve mmo and then longer again to achieve rolling orgasms. As I remember you achieved rolling orgasms almost by accident.
Edging is a legimate penis enlargment technique and many guys have had growth with it including myself. There is a thread on it ,would you guys like it bumped.

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I can't seem to find the six steps. Could you post the link, minute?