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Great session today. Did it a bit earlier since I had the house to myself. My EQ's really improved this past week and I think the break helped a bit too. I'm ready for more gains! Woo.

I may get the Bathmate in April or May and play around with a routine with that. I'm kind of curious to know if I can use it to replace jelqing & stretching for a maintenance routine. Although I would be getting it primarily for girth work.

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Great session today. Did it a bit earlier since I had the house to myself. My EQ's really improved this past week and I think the break helped a bit too. I'm ready for more gains! Woo.

I may get the Bathmate in April or May and play around with a routine with that. I'm kind of curious to know if I can use it to replace jelqing & stretching for a maintenance routine. Although I would be getting it primarily for girth work.

Keido: Good to hear about the improved EQ! I often find that when I increase the intensity and experience a tad decrease in EQ, it comes back and then some when I take a break - often with a gain to accomadate it.

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I'm going to order the Bathmate and do a completely-Bathmate based routine. No stretching, jelqing, etc. (at least at first). I want to see if I make gains from it. I'll be doing a 5 on / 2 off routine, working from low volume and playing around with the Bathmate and working my way up to multiple sets, etc., following pumping advice and guidelines I've researched over on Thunders. I'm primarily doing this because I want to go after girth (jelqing doesn't do girth for me, sadly) and also I want to see if the Bathmate - solely on its own - would be good enough for a maintenance routine once I reach my goals. I've heard good things about it over on Thunders and supposedly some men have made great gains with it (I don't know if this was a combination of pumping and other exercises though).

I also just noticed the Bathmate's on sale, like $30 off, wish I could get it right now but I don't have the money in my bank.

I will be continuing my jelqing/stretching routine until I get the Bathmate. If nothing else I'll keep the 8" on the ruler, but it'd be awesome if I got that 8.25" back.

So for now I'll be doing JUST pumping with the Bathmate. If I don't make gains from that I'll do stretching in a separate session and jelqing between pumping sets. That's the plan right now anyhoo, don't know if that'll change in the long run. I'm hoping for gains purely from the Bathmate though.

I may try flaccid pumping at first, like the Bathmate web site recommends, before doing pumping erect. I may experiment with one method one month and then try the next method the next month to see if there's any difference though.

I've decided to do this now because the guests I've had in my house for the past few months are moving out next week (woohoo!), so I'll have my bathroom to myself again and if I wanna drag a pump into the bath with me I can. I can also count on there being hot water now too, hee hee.

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Current routine: 10 min jelqing, 10 min stretching.

Post-Bathmate routine: 10 min pumping, 25 repetitions of dry jelqing after a set. I'll work the pumping time up gradually. I'll do 2 months of just pumping (plus the 25 dry jelqs between each set) and see what results I've made from just that. If I'm not satisfied with the gains I'll add in a jelqing and stretching routine in addition to the pumping. Pumping can be done up to a maximum of 1 hour (gradually working up to that), but I'm not sure if I want to sit in my tub for an entire hour. Although perhaps I'd feel it's worth it if I see good gains from it though, ha ha.

I'll follow this guide for my first 8 weeks of pumping, from Vacuum Pumping 101 over on Thunders.
For my first month I'll do pumping from flaccid, like the Bathmate web site recommends. In the second month I'll do erect pumping to see what difference that makes. Between each set I'll do dry jelqs and helicopter shakes.

Week 1: One 10 minute session per day
Week 2: One 15 minute session per day
Week 3: Two 10 minute sessions per day
Week 4: Two 15 minute sessions per day
Week 5: One 20 minutes session, one 10 min session, per day
Week 6: Two 20 minute sessions per day
Week 7: Three 20 minute sessions per day *

* After a few months I settled on three 10 minute sessions per day and no pumping on weekends. Now I do only 5 - 8 minute sessions with more squeezes and jelking between them. I saw no difference in size gain as a result of long sessions.

I may do something different for the 7th week though... perhaps two 20 min sessions + one 10 min session, then in the 8th week do three sets of 20 min. We'll see, this may also change depending on my reactions to pumping.

Also, if I get fluid build up I'll cut my sets down to 10 min each, do shorter, but multiple sets.

edit: I'm also going to do 10 minutes (minimum) of turkey neck stretches. It's basically just gripping with an OK grip above the turkey neck, then another grip above that and pulling in opposing directions. This may give me gains in addition to (hopefully) remedying my turkey neck. I'll do this before I go to sleep along with kegels.


note: for my jelqing today I did dry jelqing with my jelq device. Didn't get a very good expansion in comparison to my wet jelqing, I must admit. Dry jelqing just doesn't do it for me for some reason.

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I'm pretty mentally drained today, so I'll be taking the night off from PE. I'll start up again on Monday.

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BPEL 8" x 5.25" EG. That damn girth gain is so inconsistent for me. I'm actually looking forward to pumping because of that. Don't know when I'll have the money for the pump though.

As for the pumping routine, I'm still going for 2 months of pumping-only routine with tunica stretches (turkey neck stretches) thrown in as well. I've got no problem doing pumping, jelqing, etc. for gains though. I've got the rest of this year off until Fall or so, so I've got plenty of PE time. Prime time to make gains, but of course I don't want to overwork. I was thinking about a pumping + O bend combination for gains. I keep throwing around ideas on my log here, but I'll settle on something depending on how the pumping turns out for me. I know it's not going to be a magic pill, but I do feel that I will see good results from it, so long as I'm consistent and intelligent with my routine.

I'm going to add 5 min to my jelqing and stretching this week.

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I've never tried pumping. But girth is my main focus right now as well. Does pumping have a high success rate? I really haven't even read up on it.

Have you had much girth success with V-Jelqing? I credit most of my girth to slow, intense V-Jelqing. Never did Tunica Tugs either...

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I've never tried pumping. But girth is my main focus right now as well. Does pumping have a high success rate? I really haven't even read up on it.

Have you had much girth success with V-Jelqing? I credit most of my girth to slow, intense V-Jelqing. Never did Tunica Tugs either...

At what point in your PE "career" did you begin adding V-jelqs?

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I've never tried pumping. But girth is my main focus right now as well. Does pumping have a high success rate? I really haven't even read up on it.

Have you had much girth success with V-Jelqing? I credit most of my girth to slow, intense V-Jelqing. Never did Tunica Tugs either...

I've never done V jelqs for a long enough period to see gains from them. I find them a bit cumbersome in comparison to the OK grip and I like my jelqing to be comfortable, but maybe I should start doing V jelqs. I don't know about the success rate of pumping, it seems odd because some men say they've made great gains from it and then some say they haven't made any gains at all. I don't know if this is just an issue of "I tried it for a short time and it didn't work for me, so therefore I think pumping doesn't work at all" or if pumping really does just give temporary gains and nothing else. I do know of men over on Thunders that have made permanent gains from pumping (usually in combination with manual exercises though). I don't think pumping is a very popular form of PE because it's got the same sort of stigma as penis pills and things do, since pumps have always been marketed as penis enlargement gimmicks.


Actually, even over all of my excitement over the Bathmate, I've decided not to get it and just focus on manual exercises. I'm going to go through - at a minimum - several months of a 5 on / 2 off manual exercise routine for now and then I'm going to begin doing girth-oriented exercises like Orange Bends. I've done Ulis in the past, but never really gained from them. Orange Bends are a very low erection girth-oriented exercise so I believe that may be the key to getting some girth gains for myself. I've always done high erection girth work in the past, like clamping, and haven't really been very consistent with girth routines. Since I've found my preferred days on/off ratio (5/2) I believe that I can be confident that I can play around with the exercises in my routine being what is/isn't making me gain as opposed to the days on/off being what is/isn't making me gain. Only took me two years to figure this out, hee hee!

I may still get the Bathmate in the future, just to play around with water pumping a bit, if only for the fun of it rather than for gains. It could be good for my flaccid size too, but I'm not too interested in making my flaccid larger since it's already pretty big (I wouldn't mind it being girthier though). Although, this depends on whether or not O bends will be my "cure" to a lack of girth gains. Water pumping may still be a fun necessity to girth gains for myself.

My routine will be:
10 minutes Heat, minimum
15 minutes of Jelqing [adding 2 min every week]
15 minutes of Stretching [adding 2 min every week]
[After I either reach my length goal OR when I feel I need to, I'll begin Orange Bends]
I'm actually going to do O bends after jelqing, since (upon reading more about orange bends), the post-jelq plump would probably be optimal for O bends. I'll also do them with lubricant from jelqing.

I'm going to do a 5 on / 2 off schedule, since that seems to be the best amount of days on vs days off for me so far.
Every 5 weeks I will take 1 week off (5 weeks on / 1 week off) to have some rest and recuperation.
I may give V jelqing a shot at some point.
As for the Bathmate, I may get that in the future dependent on my gains made from manual exercises. I worry about discoloration from pumping though. I think if you work smart it's not an issue, but it's still something to keep in mind.

I've got 30 weeks until my Fall term classes begin, so I'm making my goal for that a 0.5" gain in both length and girth - 8.5 x 5.75. I'm also in the process of losing fat in preparation for my Fall classes too. I've made it a goal for myself to lose about 1/2" per week around my navel. Don't know if this will be feasible, but I'm going to give it a shot.

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Keido,

You wanna give your penis time to heal! When you take a few days off, that's when your penis grows the most.

I took exactly 7 days off today and my penis is officially 7 inches long. It was just below 7 last week.

Can you tell me more about orange bends? I read about it over at Thunder's and I don't really get the concept. Maybe you can explain to me? That would be nice.

As for the penis pump thing...I need to hear more information on that before I try anything. I am having a difficult time getting girth also. We have similar penises (though yours is 1 inch longer than mine :P). I dont want to invest in a pump and then regret it. Seems like this bathmate crap is interesting but its 115$...

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Yeah, I agree rest is important, but I keep finding a 5 on / 2 off or every day routine optimal for me (in terms of gains) - I haven't gained well on an every other day routine. I'll be taking a week off every once in awhile though, so that may help matters.

Yeah, the Bathmate's definitely a "last resort" for me right now - if I can get the girth gains I'm seeking from manual exercises, then saving $200 would be a good thing.

As for the Orange bends... let me quote the important posts I've gathered from that very long orange bend thread over on Thunders... read the whole thing, particularly toward the end - the descriptions get much better. I don't want to try to explain this exercise right now until I feel that I've mastered it myself. I'll probably add this exercise to my routine in a couple of months. It's similar to the Sadsak slinky exercise, but done with a lower erection level. There are interesting modifications guys have made throughout that thread that I gathered up in this quote too:

This is what I did and it worked very well.

After the normal warm ups and stretches. At a very low erection level almost flaccid. I grab the base with my right hand (strong hand) in the standard OK grip. I would then bend the penis down towards the ground, if you were standing. Starting right at the grip and slowly work my way up the shaft. According to the talkative MrO he bends his in any and every direction. I am new to this and have only been bending down and back, mostly down. Working at such low erection levels there is no pain. But you can feel and see the expansion which is huge right at the bend!

I have done a few variations:
Pull a little with the base hand towards the glans it intensifies even more.
Start the exercise standing in front of your bed. Push your head into the mattress and slowly roll it down, then roll it back. This is amazing you have your base hand pushing blood forward, you have the bend expanding and you also have the head pushing blood back. Also kegel allot! I also mix in some C grip jelqing, kegeling after every stroke with very slow strokes over 3 seconds always.

Just try to do what I'm saying. It took me about 20 minutes of messing around before I started to understand what MrO had posted. Erection level is key. You want an erection that you can bend so that clearly isnt very high. The more you do it the better of an idea you will have to where the erection level needs to be.

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It really is a uli at very low erection level with bends.

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I grab the base in the basic OK grip. With the other hand I grab the head and bend it back, down, to the side. I'm new to this as well so I keep doing different things feeling the expansion and trying to maximize expansion with the different angles. If the erection is a little high I squeeze the head a little more and bend it back. It will only bend a small amount. When you have the proper erection level you will get a good 90 degree bend angle. If you can't bend it at least 45 degree's your erection level is to high! I kegel without touching it to let the erection get to the right level, or I'll do the c grip jelq method until it goes down. You should not bend a hard erection!

The concept of this exercise is at the point of the bend there is extreme pressure and expansion. I work from three basic positions. The base, mid shaft, and just under the head (top shaft).

The base:
I start here, from here you can have the highest erection level. From the base I use the OK grip with one finger and my thumb as my grip. I have noticed that backward bends work the base better than downward bends. I still do both.

Mid shaft.
I work the mid shaft by including another finger on the base. The bends are still the same, but with the extra finger added it moves the bend up the shaft.

Top shaft:
Again I just add another finger to the base hand and do the bends the same way.

You will notice the erection level is going down but the pressure is getting higher as you force more and more blood into the shaft. It doesn't hurt you should only feel the expansion and pressure at the point of the bend. It doesn't feel good either don't get me wrong.

If you haven't tried to do it it is very hard to understand. But once you try it it will become quite clear. It is very awkward at first but you will figure out ways of bend your arms and hands to get the results your looking for.

I'd say it's very safe for a newbie because it's at such low erection levels. And keep the erection low so you can get expansion.
This is also a very good exercise to do before sex ( a mild version for pre sex prep). It pumps you up very large and it doesn't fatigue you like jelqing. There is very little fatigue because there isn't any stroking involved.

I've been doing this for a few weeks now. I don't measure but I can say it is feeling fuller and hanging lower. This is all I do other than a little c grip jelqing with kegels if the erection gets too high.

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I have been doing this exercise by folding my penis completely in half, like 180 degrees, so that the head is down under near the base. I fold downward or to the side, and use one hand to grab this "sandwich" near the base. this one hand clamps the base and at the same time squeezes the head, so that blood is forced to the crease. It seems to me to be the best tunica stretch I have ever done.

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I to end up with it folded in half as well. I start with an erection level usually that will only let me fold 90 degrees. But not all the time either, the erection level is key to this exercise and getting it the right level for full expansion is the hardest part. And I also think thats what makes this exercise so good. It forces you to get the erection level at the exact right firmness. So your not too erect straining your veins against a hard erection that doesn't allow for expansion.

I'm not ready to say that PE at high erection levels has no merit. But it does seem to me if being hard was going to increase size. We would all be huge with just masturbating. With that said I still think there are other variables when it comes to PE at high erection levels. And I'm not saying working at high erection level is pointless. It is pointless with this exercise however. And probably dangerous as well.

My theory is there are two aspects at work with PE, Expansion, and Pressure. Pressure seems to be more intense at higher erection levels and expansion seems to be more intense at lower erection levels. Doing this exercise or any PE related exercise needs to incorporate both. Not just incorporate but maximize both aspects to the fullest.

This is by far the best exercise I've seen yet. And I'm not one of those people that just goes from exercise to exercise. I stayed with jelqing the entire time. I feel like allot of guys don't get good technique then they move on to the next exercise. I say if you are new you still need to learn to jelq. I would always include new exercises into my routine a little at a time. But this has replaced jelqing as my main exercise.

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I have noticed that after doing this exercise for a while, I reach a point where my penis starts to feel every so slightly numb and really well worked. This is the point to call it a day. To do any more would just overtrain the penis and make growth less likely. As soon as your penis starts to take on an unusual sensation, yet not unpleasant, you have done more than enough. It's hard to describe the sensation it causes but it is like a feeling of it being thoroughly stretched, slightly fatigued and as if mint oil, or menthol has been rubbed into it. A slighty cool numbness but very subtle. For the next day or two you get regular, raging hard ons throughout the day and night. It's funny though because for the first few minutes the exercise feels like it lacks intensity and you wonder how it could ever work. Then after 10-15 minutes a change in the sensation occurs and it feels thoroughly worked all of a sudden.

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Experiment with the concept guys. I'm just like you, I read what MrO wrote and I messed around with it until I got somewhere. I've been doing it for a few weeks and I can't make the claim of making huge gains like MrO has. So I hesitate whenever asked a question on specifics.

This is all I can say. Try to maximize expansion, and pressure, with bends at a low erection level. Thats it in a nut shell. The logistics are what you'll be working on.

I was just trying to give you guys some ideas and things that I came up with. The twist I was referring to was in a downward bend, turn it so that the profile of the head is now facing you. Then bend down and hold. I do this to the right and the left.

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I posted in the above thread the gains I have made recently. To summarize, my girth only increased 1/8 inch between 2000 and the end of 2004, and then increased 1/4 inch in the last month. I attribute it to flacid jelking and these flacid Mr. O squeezes, and the general concept that it is necessary for me to be flacid to be able to stretch the tissue properly.
More gain in one month than in the previous 4 years!
To top it off, I decided I would NOT ask my wife if she noticed any difference, I would just keep working at it until she said something on her own. well, it didn't take long. We were having sex this morning, and out of the blue she said, "it feels so fat"! Now maybe she was just talking dirty which she likes to do, but she hasn't said those words in a long, long time. Boy that was music to my ears.
After sex I regained my boner and measured, and it appears I have gained another 1/16, or a total of 5/16 if it stays cemented. (4.875 in December to 5.25 now!)

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It is hard for me to describe any better than what has already been said. Fold your dick and squeeze it so that you get a bubble or concentrated stretching on the outside curve of the fold. It is not rocket science. I only use one hand which clamps the base and head. I kegel, squeeze, then push my hand forward toward the fold a bit like an Uli. I hold about 20 seconds, and do it for a bout 15 minutes and 15 minutes of flacid jelks. I mostly fold downward, but also some side and upward too. I try to fold close to the base and then closer to the head. I don't do any rolling or slinky type stuff. I don't get a really good pump from this either, which is probably why I never did flacid work before. Intuitively, and by feel, it doesn't seem to be effective, but I am getting results. (1/4"+)

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I read a theory somewhere about bending the penis and the guy explained it like this.

Get one of those long balloons like they make animal shapes out of and draw lines on it with a marker.
Circles around the girth and length wise.
Bend the balloon and you will see the lines expand.

I believe in the more flaccid state we are causing the tunica to expand in much the same way.

I bend and roll. Kind of how a snake moves. The bend travels down the body.

Hope this helps.

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Mick your not saying that your doing all that in one rep are you? Because you should be clamped off at the base. I imagine that with the base entirely clamped off you should go for only a few minutes per rep. Besides my base clamp hand starts to give after a few minutes.

Let me know how much you guys are doing per rep. I myself go for maybe 2 minutes per rep.
And I do:
A downward bend hold for 10 sec
A downward bend turn right then left approx 10 sec each
I add a finger then repeat until I've added all four fingers
I sprinkle in back bends which really feels like it's working the base nicely.

Takes about 2 minutes per rep. Then I kegel hard and work on getting blood flow and the exact erection for round two.

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Erection level and expansion is everything in this exercise. I feel newbies don't fully understand these principles. At least I know I didn't as a newbie. I think it took me a few months before I got a decent understanding of expansion.

Newbies try this:

To feel a mild expansion grab about a 30% erection at the base and squeeze hard. If you have the erection level right you should see little tiny dimples appear on your head. This is the blood being forced forward with pressure. This is a mild expansion not enough to make your unit grow. It takes bending to increase the pressure all along the shaft to break down the tissue.

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I wouldn't say to intense, I do allot more reps per set than you do. I work the entire shaft per set. It takes a minute or two for me per set.

I hesitate to say because I'm a notorious over do'er. But I am seeing good growth with this exercise. I do about 5 to 8 sets of the described reps above. Takes about 45 minutes. The time in between is filled with either kegel squeezes or what I call kegel pumps. And all that is is a vacuum pump insertion at low pressure with constant kegels 50 per set.

I missused the term reps above and now im trying to correct my mistake. A rep is a single movement IE one bend and hold for X amount of time. A set is a group of reps per movement.

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I've only been doing this exercise for about a month. And I think I've only recently got good at it. And I don't measure. In that month's time I went from not being able to fill a toilet paper roll to touching the sides. This is after 36 hours of rest from the exercise, morning wood.

PE takes up enough time, I'm just not willing to use up more time measuring. I can tell it's getting bigger, and this is from only a month. I think I'm going to start measuring however. Use my current and take a measurements once every other month. I was focused on a goal size. And thought that I'd measure when I thought I was getting close.

Besides I get very different sizes depending on where I measure. My base is the biggest so I like to (in my mind) think thats how big I am. From top to the bottom it gets increasingly bigger. I think thats referred to as torpedo dick?

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I just finished a set of Mr. Orange bends, but I added a little variation which seems to have really pumped me up.

Last night I tried some of these at the 10% erection level and didn't get very far. So, tonight I increased my erection level to maybe about 40% and tried my own thing.

What I did was basically the same, it's just a little different. When I was bending, I would say I was bending at about a 60-70 degree angle, but what I also did was push my clamping hand and my beding hand toward each other, if you can picture what I mean. If you have too large a bend angle, this obviously won't be possible. Imagine just having a thick round cylindrical piece of rubber. If you pushed the two ends together, the middle would have to expand in order to compensate for the decrease in length. So, its like that, except you have a slight bend going on at the same time. I don't think this would work if you simply pushed your hands together without bending.

Anyway, when I did this, I got a huge 'bubble' in between my hands. The bubble I saw when bending between 90-180 degrees without pushing my hands together did not compare to the bubble I got from this. When only bending, my penis seemed to be stretching more than expanding.

I'm definitely not bashing Mr. Orange's original way as it did work somewhat for me and seems to work amazingly for other people. But I think I am a very hard girth gainer (I have not gained any girth whatsoever), and this may work a little better for me.

Doing this I got from 5 3/4" girth to about 5 15/16" girth, so that's 3/16" increase, almost 1/4". I know this may not be alot for most people, but I usually do not even get, or barely get, 2/16" increase.

Hope that's helpful. Maybe some other people could try this and see if it works at all for them.

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I do that as well Mick. The more you do these bends the more you come up with variations on the theme. I wouldn't consider this different from what MrO described, he really didn't go into much details. I also think when MrO says 10% erection most people would consider that 20 to 30 %. Think about it for the percentage thing to work there has to be a point when the erection starts. When is a erection considered an erection? I think MrO took a very literal meaning to erection. And his scale starts at an erect state. Another words he probably considers flaccid what most of us would think is 10%.

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No thats not how I do them. I have more erection first of all. I guess I might have to do a video, or try to take pictures... What I'm doing is very similar, in grip and technique. But the method is wrong, I don't think you are getting full expansion nor is it concentrated in one spot long enough.

I also have a different type of erection. It's hard to explain, after warm up I do mild stretches, and lots of kegels, with the reverse OK grip at the base. Just like you are doing in the video. My goal is to get a plumped soft erection. Instead of me telling you my method of getting the erection the right type. I'll tell you the easiest way to get there. Do stretches and kegels and dry jelqing for the warm up the the bends. You know the place in your jelqing routine where it starts getting nice and plump. Thats where you want to be!

From there, with a pliable stiffy, make your reverse OK grip at the base. Make your bend, there should be resistance, mild resistance. I start my bends where they only bend about 45 degree's then I hold. The erection soon subsides a little, and I able to bend the rest of the way down. I then add a finger to the base OK grip putting more pressure up the shaft. I do the bends there. I do them much slower then you do in the video, and I hold them and count to 10.

The trick is the erection level has to be perfect. Too much and you don't get any expansion. to little and there is no pressure

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Oh, I'm sorry. What I meant was somewhat unclear. When I compared it to ULI with a bend I didn't mean with ULI's erection level. I still think it's just like ULI #3 with plumped penis (not 110% erected) and a bend. So in a nut shell this is how I see it:

1. Make your penis warm and engorged
2. Take the OK grip on the base of your penis (just before the grip you should kegel more blood)
3. With other hand get a grip from the glands
4. Bend your penis towards the you shape
5. Move your (base)hand up to the shaft just like if you we're doing ULI #3 (don't let the grip go before the rep is done)
6. Keep things like that for about 15-20sec
7. Start all over again after moving your (base)hand a little upper on the shaft (workout the whole shaft a little by little)

I don't know if Orange bends includes number 5 (if not this is definitely extreme O'bend)

I tried it like this yesterday and I must say that everyone who's doing it like this should be VERY careful.

Of course you could also see it like Sadsak Slinky without the slinky motion and ULI #3 movement added .

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I think I actually gained some girth from this! This is the first time ever in about 2 years that I have gained any girth. I am still not 100% sure as my measured girth is only about 1/16 of an inch greater than it normally is, but I am pretty sure. I know 1/16 of an inch isn't huge, but it's not bad for a little over 2 weeks. I will know for sure in another 2 or 3 weeks whether this has worked for sure.

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Ok guys, I've been addicted to this thread since it first appeared. I've been experimenting with these bends and love them, so I posted a how-to guide in my progress log over at Betterman. Here it is for those who are interested, and if anyone has any ammendments I'd be grateful as I'd like to be sure I'm doing them correctly.

The idea is that because you're only slightly erect the tissue in your penis is more maleable and pliable, which allows it to be stretched and manipulated more easily.

1. Hot wrap, to loosen up the tissue and enable more expansion. Massage and do a few stretches too.

2. You want to become slightly erect. You know when you've just done a load of jelqs and you're hanging much bigger and heavier? You're not hard, not at all, but your penis is full of blood and is pumped up. This is the kind of state you want to get to.

3. Use one hand to stretch out, and clamp at the base with the other using a reverse OK grip (underhand). With the hand you used to stretch out with, take the top half of your penis in an over hand grip (I use three fingers over the top and my thumb underneath).

4. Bend down. There should be some initial resistance, but only a little. If you're at the right level of engorgement you'll be able to bend down as far as your hands can manage without any discomfort, but you should be able to feel a stretch in the tissue at the area of the bend, which should be visibly expanded.

5. Hold the bend for 15-20 seconds, or as long as you feel comfortable with. Then repeat on a higher section of the midshaft by using a different number of fingers. For example, I use the above number of fingers first, then do a second bend gripping with three fingers at the base and just my index finger and thumb at the top.

6. Repeat these phases to bend in any direction you like. I do down, left, right, up, and then down again.

7. Do feel free to alter these instructions if you find a way of gripping or whatever that feels more comfortable or seems more effective, It's important that you customise the exercise so that it works best for you, as long as you keep it safe.

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I discovered this thread 2 days ago, did the O-bends as best as I could understand from the descriptions, spent about 10-15 minutes just trying to figure out how to do them (after an earlier 10min x 2 clamping session), and I'm somewhere between 1/16th and 1/8th inch bigger in midshaft girth today. I can't believe it. If only it keeps working to some degree.

Oh my god, I actually have hope of getting some girth now.

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Wow, 1-2 minute reps huh? For some reason I was under the impression that we should do 20 second ones. I will try the longer reps and report back (maybe 10 reps to start).
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We all know how to bend our penises. But the $64,000 question is: How erect should the penis be for maximum benefit?


Hi,

Ok, I haven't posted much, but I'm here since last year and have read many posts, even if I was away for almost a year. Also I jelq for about 8-9 years, even if I started and stopped a few times. So I have grown some, stopped, then grew more and stopped. Now I want more, so I came back and then learned about these great bends that Mr. Orange talked about on this post.

I have tried the Orange Bends for two days and now am on a resting day. I can't wait for tomorrow when I will do it again. My unit did become well exercised for the few minutes I did with it yesterday and the day before yesterday.

So What I do is this:

1- Get my dick real hard, and then clamp;

2- *WAIT* for the erection to subside while clamped. This will make the penis become soft and very bendable, but at the same time, will keep all the erection's blood in there. Be careful and use good sense not to overdo anything. Clamping after the erection and waiting for it do become soft while still blood filled has worked for me and given me malleability while still providing enough blood for it to become stretched in a bend;

3- While still keeping it clamped with one hand (OK sign clamping), use the other hand's palm to push the glans downwards, making it bend downwards and become really expanded, very thick and with the veins jumping out, but be careful and tender - do not overdo it. I only bend it up to 90 degrees because my penis is fatter than it is long, and it already becomes very thick and expanded from the 90 degree bend. Doing more than that doesn't feel necessary at all, and I feel it's better to stay on the comfortable side where you feel pleasure or nothing, instead of the painful uncomfortable side. Otherwise my penis becomes afraid and I start loathing sessions as punishment or price for growth instead of looking forward to them as joyous penis enlargement time;

4- I use the palm of the hand to bend it upwards, towards my stomach's direction;

5- Grab the base of the glans with an OK sign to bend it to the sides. If I could do it with the palm of the hand, I would. Maybe someone else can. Whatever it takes to bend the penis to the side and feels comfortable and suitable will work;

6- Keep each bend for about 10-20 seconds, and while bending you can push it farther a little bit to make it expand more, repeatedly, even within the bend. It's like the penis is bent, and you give it repeated small pushes, to further that bend slightly;

7- Every few reps make a kegel blood pump to bring more blood into the penis. As you do the kegel, loosen the clamp a little to let the blood flow in and then tighten the clamp again, in order to keep the blood amount sufficient;

8- Take a few 30-60 seconds rest every few minutes to insure the penis' blood renews and that it's cells are fueled with new oxygen supply. Keeping the clamp keeps the veins on the penis' periphery from bringing the blood back into the body and making the penis go limp. However if the blood isn't renewed, then there is the possibility of penis' cells becoming lacking in O2 supply and then become damaged by this anoxia. We do not want that to happen as that would be crossing the line between exercise that stimulates growth and getting into the area where we are causing damage that will take time to heal. We only want to go as far as it's still exercise that will take a resting day for the CC tissue to develop, and not to get hurt and spend the resting day healing the tissue and obtaining zero gains, because we hurt ourselves instead of exercising.

9- As Dead-eye said, start putting more fingers on the clamp in order to move the bend upwards closer to the glands, and exercise farther areas of the penis. I really didn't do this so much as I already had it very expanded with only one finger and the thumb holding the clamp. But different dicks, different techniques.


*Words of caution*

*1* Do all of this *very carefully* not to over stress the penis, as it would cause injure instead of exercise and whatever time you spent resting after the exercise would be taken up by the healing of the penis' tissues rather than by it's muscle development, which is what causes penis enlargement.


*2* Do not keep the clamp for too long. Every few minutes, like 3 or so, let the blood flow so that the tissue cells can breathe and renew it's oxygen supply instead of dying out in anoxia (hypoxia especially of such severity as to result in permanent damage). It is the anoxia of extreme clamping and expansion that causes the discoloration in my opinion. Anything that damages tissues instead of just making them grow is prone to causing damages and is NOT what we are after. We only want to exercise.

*3* Your penis shouldn't be scared after the session. You should look forward to the next session and even become aroused by it's time being nearer. I use this anticipation as a gauge to know if I am overdoing anything to the point of injuring my unit. Any harm with over exercising is unwelcome. That is why I also stopped training for 30 minutes and took on shorter sessions that made me grow more a few month's back.

*4* Also over stretching made me feel like it was getting less length gains when I did it with more strength. When tissues become hurt they tend to retract in the healing process, as far as I know. When you only stretch the ligaments, or the penis itself by inflating it with o-bends, in a healthy way, then you will probably see gains that surpass the gains you get when you over pull it, or when you over stress it with o-bending.

*5* Always be on the pleasant comfortable side - that is my motto. I'm not saying it's the only thing that works. I had gains when I over did it some years back, but they were smaller and I hurt myself a few times to say the least, even it it was no big deal, only a few burst veins and such. I see more gains and am happier with tender exercises that work, and that don't overdo anything. Learn to feel where you are going over the top and it will be more than will give you gain, and start stealing growth time for the healing time.

I'm going to medical school so I know a few things, even if I haven't graduated yet. When you hurt a tissue then it becomes harder in a way, because of the "scar" and the healed tissue will not grow as well as the one that was never injured in the first place. If you wait for a few month's then the tissue will probably be all good to go again but who waits for even a few days not to say a few months when it comes to enlarging yourself? No one.

What I can say for sure is that it's always better to under do it, and rest more than needed than it is to over do it and then think you have to increase the intensity of your sessions in order to gain, rather than diminish it. That is why I have seen people have no gains with lots of work while others gained with far less effort, and also why I didn't have so much gain years back, until I read in this forum a post about "physiological gains" or something that talked about the threshold where you will be overdoing it and hurting instead of exercising.

Ok, hope this helps!!
Dr. Hose

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I do it every other day, the o-bends. That's all I do and I have been getting gains like never before (years of practice). This really is the holy grail.

I want to say that on my previous post I kinda messed things up. I said that I "held my penis in the clamp until the erection subsided, while keeping the blood in it" and that's impossible I now realize . Actually I was letting the erection subside by letting some of the blood out of my dick. I misinterpreted its physiology hehe.

Hey vagabund, as long as you don't make your dick ache I would say its all good. Just be careful not overdo it. I think overdoing things doesn't give faster gains or I would be doing too. Just my view.

I do 10-20 minute sessions of these bends, once every other day. Each set is with some 20 reps up, down, left and right, and each set lasts for some 3-5 minutes. I do some 3 or 4 sets, and it sums up to 10-20 minutes depending on how fast I get hard and all that.

I gained like almost 1cm in BPEL and 0,25cm in girth I think. This is not an exact measure, it might have been more. Anyway, my dick has been growing faster than ever and the sessions are so easy and brief. I don't even have to go to the bathroom, as they are dry. It looks very big, and I can notice the growth on naked eye when I go to the bathroom take a leak and such.

To me this is the holy grail of PE. Hail and long live MrOrange for his findings, lol.

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The thing I do is bend the dick with it clamped by one hand. I just don't do it to forcefully because then it would cause injure. Do it in a way that it will become expanded and the veins will pop out. Do it slowly and, you know, get the hang of the maneuver.

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That's what it is, in essence, a plumped bend. No difference I guess.

I don't think a video is required, they are pretty straight foward. Get a semi erection. The % isn't important but how it feels is. It needs to be loose and bendable like paper, and not hard and stiff like cardboard. When you bend cardboard, it folds. You don't want that. But at the same time it needs to be erect enough to have some internal pressure when you bend it. The more erect, without it folding the more pressure.

Clamping with one hand (and kegelling blood into the penis if you need to), bend the penis with the other. Bend the penis over your hand. If you are doing it right, you will feel pressure build up inside putting stresses (like a stretch) on the tunica. Quite intense too. When I clamp with left hand, I bend to the left. When I clamp with right hand, bend to the right. I don't bend up anymore because I already have an upward curve. Bending downwards can be done, while clamping with either hand. Basically you are just clamping with one hand, and bending the penis, up down left or right like a joystick.

Feel is everything because if aren't erect enough you won't feel anything. If you are too erect, it will fold in places (bad). While bending downwards, you should be able start at the base and roll the bend towards the glans like an incoming wave on a beach. Someone else had a good analogy but I can't remember what it was. And if you want to make it more intense, kegelling will add more internal pressure. Holding the kegel through the entire bend is like maximum pressure.

That's what they are to me, but again it's about feel. Someone else could do them differently and still feel the same benefits.

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30 Week Plan:

Orange bends are added in Mar 1-7, will focus on technique for now.

Mar 1 - 7 - Week 1: 15 min Jelq, 15 min stretch
Mar 8 - 14 - W2: 18 min Jelq, 18 min stretch
Mar 15 - 21 - W3: 20 min Jelq, 20 min stretch
Mar 22 - 28 - W4: 22 min Jelq, 22 min stretch
Mar 29 - Apr 4 - W5: 24 min Jelq, 24 min stretch
Apr 5 - 11 - W6: off
Apr 12 - 18 - W7: 24 min Jelq, 24 min stretch
Apr 19 - 25 - W8: 26 min Jelq, 26 min stretch
Apr 26 - May 2 - W9: 28 min Jelq, 28 min stretch
May 3 - May 9 - W10: 30 min Jelq, 30 min stretch
May 10 - May 16 - W11: off
May 17 - May 23 - W12: 32 min Jelq, 32 min stretch (+A Stretch)
May 24 - May 30 - W13: 34 min Jelq, 34 min stretch (4 min A Stretch)
May 31 - June 6 - W14: 36 min Jelq, 36 min stretch (6 min A Stretch)
June 7 - June 13 - W15: 38 min Jelq, 38 min stretch (+ Bundled Stretch)
June 14 - June 20 - W16: 40 min Jelq, 40 min stretch (4 min Bundled Stretch)
June 21 - June 27 - W17: off
June 28 - July 4 - W18: 42 min Jelq, 42 min stretch (6 min Bundled Stretch)
July 5 - July 11 - W19: 44 min Jelq, 44 min stretch (+ Tunica stretch)
July 12 - July 18 - W20: 46 min Jelq, 46 min stretch (4 min Tunica stretch)
July 19 - July 25 - W21: 48 min Jelq, 48 min stretch (6 min Tunica stretch)
July 26 - Aug 1 - W22: off
Aug 2 - Aug 8 - W23: 50 min Jelq, 50 min stretch (7 min SO, 7 min R stretches)
Aug 9 - Aug 15 - W24: 52 min Jelq, 52 min stretch (7 min L, 7 min SU stretches)
Aug 16 - Aug 22 - W25: 54 min Jelq, 54 min stretch (7 min SD, 7 min A stretches)
Aug 23 - Aug 29 - W26: 56 min Jelq, 56 min stretch (7 min Bundled, 7 min Tunica stretches)
Aug 30 - Sep 5 - W27: 58 min Jelq, 58 min stretch (+30 sec to SO, R, L, SU stretches)
Sep 6 - Sep 12 - W28: off
Sep 13 - Sep 19 - W29: 60 min Jelq, 60 min stretch (+30 sec to SD, A, Bundled, Tunica stretches)
Sep 20 - Sep 26 - W30: continue with above.
31+: T.B.D.
5 on / 2 off.

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Thank you Keido for this marvelous information on the O bends. It's the greatest girth exercise, I've been doing O bends without knowing about them. You have a huge amount of information there about the O bend. maybe you should ''sticky'' that post about O bends. Can you make a text file and save it? Try asking Remek if he can maybe publish it in the ''Articles'' section.

All this information needs to come out in the open!

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I think I'll make a thread about the exercise if I see good results from it, and master it myself. You're free to start one if you've been seeing good results from it though.

I tried to upload my text, but it was an .rtf file and my program doesn't do .txt files (on a Mac), so I'm sort of out of luck there, ha ha.

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Keido, thanks for taking the time and making the effort to bring these exercises to the PE Gym. One post on these exercises wouldn't have been enough, but the series of posts taken together, do a great job of explaining not only the "Orange Bends," but the variations of the exercise. You get a rep point for your effort. Thanks, JP