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Thanks for the rep point, JP.

I've got a question for you V jelq users: have you noticed more girth expansion vertically or horizontally? And by that I mean has your girth increased more in width or in height (ignore length for this). I was thinking about the V jelq today and was wondering if it would give more girth vertically, since you basically squeeze together the sides of the penis so it goes from this /\ to more of something like this || during the jelq. Does that push the penis into more vertical girth growth? I wonder this because I'd like more of a width growth than height growth (though I wouldn't be opposed to height growth), primarily for receiving blowjobs. Less vertical girth would result in less opening of the mouth and therefore more comfortable for blowjobs (although you run into the teeth scraping molars and such with width anyhow).

Anyway I was considering modifying the V jelq into more of a sideways V jelq, but maybe I'm just thinking into this too much.
V Jelq expansion: /\ to ||
Sideways V Jelq: /\ to ==

Man, I need to go to bed... heh.

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Bah, my EQ's been through the roof lately and I haven't been very good about refraining from ejaculation. From now on though I'm keeping ejaculation to the weekends only!

Session went well yesterday. Obviously today my EQ was high, which I'm attributing to the session last night. My EQ kinda dropped off this weekend, since I missed Friday's jelq session. Makes me wonder about a 6 on / 1 off schedule. I'm gonna stick with the 5 on / 2 off though, see what gains I make from that. Maybe I'll try a 6 on / 1 off in a few months, just to switch things up a bit. heh.

15 min Jelq, 15 min stretching.

My diet's been crap this past week or so, this week probably won't be top notch either, but next week I'm going to be very dedicated to nutrition and exercise. I've got guests moving out this week so the atmosphere's just pretty stressed, lol.

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Aaaahhh....the everlasting problem off refraining from ejaculating, I have real trouble with that myself. Recently I managed to refrain from it a whole week!!! It was almost epic, in a final battle of LOTR way.

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So I've tried out the V grip today when jelqing and I didn't like it. I found it too cumbersome again, really not enjoying it. I think it's because I work with a higher erection level than should be used for V jelqing - I'm around 80%. I get the best expansion from this, so I prefer my overhand OK grip. I think I'll just stick to using an overhand OK grip instead of doing V jelqing. I don't get an optimal jelq from it though, so I figure it's better to do a grip I'm more comfortable with.

I've decided to add in O bends right now. I'll do one set of them for now, just focusing on the technique of them. 30 seconds in each direction. I did my jelqing earlier today in the bath, so I'll do my O bends and stretching before bed tonight. After I get the O bend technique down I'll do 10-15 minutes of them, minimum.

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O Bend report: Got a pretty good temporary expansion during the workout, nothing particularly extravagant though. I get the same expansion from jelqing, which hasn't given me much in terms of girth gains so far. Pretty veiny during the hold/bends. Other than my hands getting sore during the exercise, what I did NOT like was that my penis had a bend in the direction that I bent it after the exercise. This went away with a bend in the opposite direction, but I'm worried that I could cause some permanent bending from this exercise. I'm considering taking it out of my routine. It's a bit frustrating since I've had this exercise on the back burner for a long time now... to find now that it might not be entirely safe. I sure as hell wouldn't want to try bends any more erect than I was - about 30% - otherwise that could REALLY cause some damage! I've seen guys on Thunders warn against bending exercises and now I know why. I'm not certain if the O bends will have any lasting negative effects though... I also could have been doing them incorrectly, but I'm not sure what to modify in my technique that would take away from the bending.

I've got to think on this some more... maybe I'll just do Ulis instead of orange bends. Although I haven't read any reports on orange bends giving anyone a bent dick, heh. Also clamping is a consideration for me because I'd like a larger base girth than midshaft girth.

update: I've decided to scrap the O bends for now. In the future, I may try them out again, but probably not. I'm too paranoid about bending my penis now, lol. I may do squeezes in the future if my girth gains are lacking. If that doesn't work I'll do either pumping or clamping. For now I'm just going to stick with a basic jelq/stretch routine.

Update update: I'm gonna spend the next week working my technique for this. Re-reading some of the posts in the Orange bends thread has got me thinking about what I might be doing wrong. I think I was doing this too unerect, but I've got to find the right erection level for this exercise as well as finding the right bending angle, etc. to go for with this. Ignore my rambles up top.

So to recap, I'm keeping my orange bends in the routine this week. If, after this week, I'm still not feeling too hot about the orange bends I'll take 'em out and just stick with jelqing, but I'm going to give this exercise more of a shot than just one session. I think there's a learning curve to this exercise, which may explain why it's not very popular.

... little update: I played around with the orange bend technique a bit more tonight, still not really feeling it. Not for the bendy parts so much now, I didn't find that to be an issue this time around, but I feel that the exercise doesn't work the entire shaft (like an Uli or clamping - this may be my grip being too high because of my fat pad or something though). Also, I do get some temporary plumpness, but I'm not really getting a great expansion from the exercise. I'm not entirely sure what to think about it, hmm... I'm considering it after jelqing, with the post-jelq plumped erection (the soft one), I'm curious to see if I'll get better results with that tomorrow. I may just be overthinking this exercise, it does seem deceptively simple.

I'll post my thoughts about orange bends with the post-jelq pump tomorrow. Right now I'm not sure about orange bends on their own though, I'm feeling that jelqing is still superior.

My orange bend technique right now:
Get 40% erect (plump, but soft)
Clamp at base with OK grip
Bend to left, right, up, down - hold for 30 seconds per bend
Occasional rolling motions

I haven't felt much intensity from this exercise so far, though I may have to do it longer than the 5 or so minutes I've been spending on it. My hands are getting really sore doing this exercise though, so I don't know if I'd be able to keep up a 10+ minute session. I remember looking into clamping because squeezes were really killing my hands. Oh well.

Wed plan: Post-Jelq plump bends
Thur plan: Get to 100% erection, manual clamp at base and let it subside until soft, use that erection level for bends
Fri plan: 10+ minutes with your preferred erection level

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Did some O bends this morning /w a 100% erection clamped, then allowed to die down to a softie. Seemed pretty good. I'm still feeling that the Uli is superior right now though, but I do think orange bends are a good exercise. I also didn't have any bends in my dick with this higher erection level. Got temporary plumpness that died down in a few minutes. I'm thinking of making orange bends a sort of supplemental exercise, but not the main focus of a girth routine. My opinion may change when I do orange bending at a higher volume, since right now I've just been doing one set of them. My hands are really killin' me with this exercise, ha ha.

I was thinking about using a cock ring to keep the right plumpness level. I may work up to doing 5-8 sets of orange bends and make my decision on whether or not to keep them after a few months. Say, in May.

I'll do 2 sets on Friday and go +1 set per week right now. I don't know how long to make each rep... I'm doing 30 seconds right now, but I may do longer ones. I don't want to clamp off blood flow from my penis for too long though.

Maybe an orange bend + squeeze combo would be optimal for gains? Using the orange bend to kind of loosen up the penis tissues, then going into a more intense exercise after that... in that line of thought, perhaps doing orange bends before jelqing would be better. Maybe I'll give that a shot tonight.

So I'll do: warm up, orange bends, jelqing, stretching.

I feel that the orange bend really makes my penis very pliable and soft. Might make my jelqing superior.

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Here's my plan for the next few months: March & April I'll do O bends, jelqing and stretching. In June I'll decide whether or not I want to continue O bends (this'll be dependent on gains and/or the feeling I get from O bends). If not, depending on my length gains I'll either do a jelq/stretch only routine or I'll start a Squeeze routine (instead of O bends). I think I did get a possible 0.125" girth gain, that I've been unable to cement, from squeezes (I didn't do a lot of squeezes either - maybe 5 minutes maximum) so I'm kind of curious about giving squeezes another try. I'll implement the same weekly progressive idea that I'm doing with jelqing/stretching, probably +2 squeezes per week. Depending on how my length gains go I may be doing a jelqing/squeezing routine only (with some maintenance stretching). I've got to keep all of this in mind for time constraints too, since I'm going to be doing multiple-hour routines by the end of all of this. That isn't something I can really keep up when I'm working, going to school, etc.

Oh, another variation I had was doing squeezes periodically throughout my wet jelqs. This may actually help with gaining girth from jelqing, since I seem to have trouble doing that. I was thinking about implementing this when I hit 20 min of jelqing... maybe do a 30 second squeeze every 5 min or so.

edit: Hmm there's some slight pain in my shaft today. Nothing serious, but if it's still around by the time I do my PE session tonight I'll skip today. I might cut out the O bends in light of this development... may not be conditioned enough for them yet. If I do, I may give them a try in 3+ months or so then. They're supposed to have a low injury possibility though, lol. Maybe I was doing them with too high of an erection.

edit 2: I've got a slight injury from the O bends, so I'm going to take them out of my routine for now and take the rest of this week off. I'll start up next week @ 15 min of jelqing and 15 min of stretching. No O bends or squeezes. I may give a big squeeze routine a shot before doing O bends again.

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Haha, I don't understand half of the stuff that is going on in your workouts, especially O-Bends, but they sound like something I shouldn't be doing anyway. I love reading your log though. You are so dedicated it seems. It's a good motivation for someone like me who apparently likes to give up too easily. I'll never do that again though!

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I'm glad I can give people motivation. Other than tracking my thoughts throughout my PE journey, the reason I started a log was to motivate other people and perhaps help other guys out on their journey, so I feel good that this is helping you out, Gator.


Well, since I've injured myself (minor) with the O bends I've decided to take the rest of this week off to recuperate and heal up, after which I'll stick to the jelqing & stretching routine that does the trick for me. This is a good reminder to me to just keep things simple! Before I try O bends again I think I'll do a routine with squeezes in it, and if that doesn't work I'll give O bends a shot. I may try to reach my length goal before worrying about girth for now. I AM going to do the squeezes every 5 minutes during wet jelqing though, and if this actually does help jelqing improve my girth then I may not have to worry too much.

Oh, also I've decided to take L-Arginine & L-Lysine (3000 mg, 1000 mg) before bed. This is supposed to help with HGH levels, and I'm going to be exercising (short, intense full-body sessions for HGH boost) as well as doing intermittent fasting /w great nutrition, all of which is supposed to help with HGH levels so I'm curious to see what effect that will have on my PE growth. I may begin taking Ginkgo Biloba again, in the mornings, but I want to see what effect just Arginine/Lysine has right now.

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Seem to be healing up well. I'll be ready to start back up again on Monday.

Some highlight notes for my routine & future plans:
Go for 3/4 woody for jelqing. Moderate grip, nothing too strong. I'll know the jelqing's going well if my glans swell with blood.
Do 30 second squeezes every 5 minutes of jelqing.
Remember to keep two hands on at all times.

I may try a pinch grip jelq when I cement my length goal.

I'll add in a Squeeze routine after a few months, or when I reach my length goals. I'm going to do a consistent, dedicated squeeze routine that I will progressively add to weekly.

If a dedicated routine of Squeezes doesn't work for me I will begin Horse squeezes.

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I've been considering jelqing and stretching by "feel" for the past couple of days. By that I mean I don't have a set time, just continue until I feel that the exercise has done the trick. Now of course the problem with this is possibly overworking, leading to injuries, which would be bad for gains in the long run. This is something to think about though... in the mean time I'm going to stick with my progressive routine.

I'm making some modifications to my routine:
I'm only focusing on a few stretches, I'm taking the rotary stretches out. I'll be working these stretches up to 20 min holds, manually. If I can't do this manually I'll use my extender. I will begin with Straight Out, Straight Up stretches (7m30s each), work those both up to 20 minutes (40 min total) and then add in an A stretch, work it up to 20 min, then add in a Bundled stretch and work it up to 20 min. Although I gotta admit I'm hoping I'll reach my length goals by the time I'm doing 1 hour and 20 minutes of stretching, lol. If I reach my length goal sooner than that (fingers crossed), I'll cement it and then begin doing tunica stretches for my stretching routine to work girth.

As for jelqing, it's the same as the previous post.

Routine: 5 on / 2 off
10 min Heat
15 min Jelqing
15 min Stretching: 0:7:30 Straight Out, 0:7:30 Straight Up

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I don't think I can comfortably hold a stretch with my arms for more than 3 minutes. How do you do it?

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I try to put most of the stress on my shoulder by locking my arm, in a way. I may not be able to pull this off, in which case I'll have to use my extender. I'd rather do it manually since I feel I get a better stretch that way though. Oh, I also have to use a cloth otherwise I lose my grip way too quickly. I've thought about wrapping it more thickly, may help with my grip a bit that way too.

I may not be pulling as hard as you are either. I do a pretty comfortable stretch.

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Next 28 weeks:

Mar 8 - 14 - W1: 15 min Jelq, 15 min stretch
Mar 15 - 21 - W2: 18 min Jelq, 18 min stretch
Mar 22 - 28 - W3: 20 min Jelq, 20 min stretch
Mar 29 - Apr 4 - W4: 22 min Jelq, 22 min stretch

Apr 5 - 11 - W5: off - depending on gains & PIs, decide to go on everyday or stick with 5on/2off

Apr 12 - 18 - W6: 24 min Jelq, 24 min stretch
Apr 19 - 25 - W7: 26 min Jelq, 26 min stretch
Apr 26 - May 2 - W8: 28 min Jelq, 28 min stretch
May 3 - May 9 - W9: 30 min Jelq, 30 min stretch
May 10 - May 16 - W10: off

May 17 - May 23 - W11: 32 min Jelq, 32 min stretch
May 24 - May 30 - W12: 34 min Jelq, 34 min stretch
May 31 - June 6 - W13: 36 min Jelq, 36 min stretch
June 7 - June 13 - W14: 38 min Jelq, 38 min stretch
June 14 - June 20 - W15: 40 min Jelq, 40 min stretch
June 21 - June 27 - W16: off

June 28 - July 4 - W17: 42 min Jelq, 42 min stretch (+ A Stretch)
July 5 - July 11 - W18: 44 min Jelq, 44 min stretch
July 12 - July 18 - W19: 46 min Jelq, 46 min stretch
July 19 - July 25 - W20: 48 min Jelq, 48 min stretch
July 26 - Aug 1 - W21: off

Aug 2 - Aug 8 - W22: 50 min Jelq, 50 min stretch
Aug 9 - Aug 15 - W23: 52 min Jelq, 52 min stretch
Aug 16 - Aug 22 - W24: 54 min Jelq, 54 min stretch
Aug 23 - Aug 29 - W25: 56 min Jelq, 56 min stretch
Aug 30 - Sep 5 - W26: 58 min Jelq, 58 min stretch
Sep 6 - Sep 12 - W27: off

Sep 13 - Sep 19 - W28: 60 min Jelq, 60 min stretch
Sep 20 - 26 - W29:
Sep 27 - Oct 3 - W30:

I turned 21 years old today. I'm feeling good about this year. I hope to reach my goals of 9x6 by the time I'm 22.

I'm going to measure this Sunday to see what my stats are after having taken this short break. Back to my diet on Monday (this weekend's been full of birthday fun food, lol).

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Happy Birthday Keido!! Try not to drink too much booze. Your penis might shrink. *snicker*

That's some schedule you have. When it comes to your progress log, you are without a doubt the most detailed writer in this forum.

Good luck and Godspeed,

Jayhawk