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Here's the survey: Penis Enlargement Gym - The Survey - Does Penis Enlargement Work?

More specifically: Penis Enlargement Gym - Ejaculation Analysis
and Penis Enlargement Gym - The Masturbation Analysis

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A 9-day load wet dream? That must have been quite the splooge mess to wake up to.

I haven't had a wet dream in a long long time, but I remember NEVER being able to remember the dream. Sucks. I always wanted to know why I was blasting in my sleep.

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Day 4:
Not a very good session today. When I was stretching I noticed that my BPFSL stretched looked smaller than it had in the past, so I decided to measure (argh) - only hit 7.75", 7 7/8" at the most, but that's being generous. So I tried working up to 100% erection to see if I had lost any erect length - didn't work too well, I was too anxious/stressed to get a good wood. After that I ignored it and did a warm wrap, then went into jelqing... took quite a few minutes to get to a good erection level for jelqing, but I got there eventually. Not my best jelqing workout, but it was still efficient anyway. I edged afterward and hit 7.25" BPEL, but I don't know if that was a post-jelq pump or not. I hit 8" BPFSL after jelqing. Seeing that I'm pretty sure that I get a superior stretch from jelqing first and then stretching afterward.

Well, I think what I'll do is measure my BPEL tomorrow morning. If it doesn't reach 7.25" BPEL I'll think of what to do from there. I don't think it's an issue of overworking because my EQ is quite good. Dunno... now I'm stressed about this though lol. I have been drinking a lot of sugary soda / lots of caffeine from that recently (Coca-Cola), this could have something to do with my size loss, maybe. Anyway I'll not worry about it until I get that measurement tomorrow.

I'm thinking about switching up the order I do jelqing and stretching though, since I stretched so much further after jelqing than before it!

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BPFSL: 8" BPEL: 7.25" EG: 5.375"

I used porn to get to 7.25", but it was fairly easy to get there. I wasn't aroused enough without the porn (stress? anxious over possible size loss I think, this really effected me). I think that size loss yesterday was real - but it was from my stretching. 5 min long holds may not be optimal for me. It seems to have shortened my BPEL/BPFSL after stretching. I've decided to change my stretching scheme up entirely - I'm going for shorter, more intense holds for 30 second durations. I'm going to stretch at all angles. I was thinking a bit on the whole LOT/lig stretch/blahblah thing and I decided that ANY ANGLE WILL STRETCH THE TUNICA. It doesn't make sense that downward angles wouldn't stretch the tunica. I'm gonna ignore lig/lot theory/etc. right now and just stretch in any angle that I feel a good stretch in. I'm going to keep my stretching at 30 seconds for now and slowly ease into a maximum intensity stretch. Relaxation will be incredibly important and easing slowly into a maximum stretch each time, getting as much length as I possibly can without too much intensity.

I will do 2 rounds (12 min) of:

Behind The Cheeks to the Left: 30-seconds
Behind The Cheeks to the Center: 30-seconds
Behind The Cheeks to the Right: 30-seconds

Straight Down to the Left: 30-seconds
Straight Down to the Center: 30-seconds
Straight Down to the Right: 30-seconds

Straight Out to the Left: 30-seconds
Straight Out to the Center: 30-seconds
Straight Out to the Right: 30-seconds

Straight Up to the Left: 30-seconds
Straight Up to the Center: 30-seconds
Straight Up to the Right: 30-seconds


I stole this from DLD's newbie routine over on MoS. DLD's First Routine (I gained 2 inches with this routine) - Matters of Size :: Free Penis Enlargement Forums and Exercises

I will also do 50 5-second kegels followed by one 60 sec kegel during the warm down.

My EQ's been lowered yesterday and today. Is this because of the ejaculation? Am I just stressed or have crappy nutrition? Could it be overworking? I don't know... I think I'm going to try a lighter grip with jelqing today. I think I've been falling absentmindedly into a tighter grip during my jelqing. I'll try the lighter grip for a minimum of 3 days to see if that boosts my EQ at all. As a reference, my EQ before yesterday's session didn't suck so I think this is very likely a mental issue. I'm still going to go with a lighter grip though because I think it will be better for me in the long run.

I seem to have gained in girth though! I always doubt my girth gains since it seems so easy for me to not slide the tape measurer the little amount it needs to go back to 5.25" lol. Well, we'll see what kind of results I get in a few weeks here. I don't want to doubt my gains. My penis DOES look a bit larger, so I think I really have gained .125".

edit: EQ's back to normal after a few hours and relaxing. I really fucked myself up mentally last night lol.

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I'm reading around a lot on rest days & etc. over on Thunders. Thus far I have not come to a conclusion on any of it (damn it), but I did find this to be a very interesting post:

http://www.*************.org/forum/showthread.php?p=738129#post738129
Random thought: As part of my recent gains campaign, I've been measuring BPFSL every day.

The other day, I measured in the morning: 7.75" worst case (the worst honest measurement I could get).

Then, after having an orgasm, I measured again: 7.6" worst case. I really had to stretch to get above 7.5" FSL. This tells me that my orgasm caused a contraction of penile tissue that could be seen even in FSL. Incredible.

This sort of throws out the window the notion that the tunica alone limits FSL. As we're finding, orgasm releases prostaglandins, which cause smooth muscle to contract (correct?). This ends the erection and induces the refractory period.

I surmise that the contraction of smooth muscle may have been the cause of my lower post-orgasm FSL measurement.

I think I'll start a poll.

This could explain why ejaculation effects gains.

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Day 5:

Pretty good session today. Decided to cut out the BTC stretches - I didn't feel anything from them. However I decided to add in a Left & Right stretch since I was feeling good stretches from that today. Jelqing went well, with a light grip. EQ was a little lower than normal, but I'm chocking that up to stress/overthinking things right now. Did a bit of edging afterward, kegeled some during my warm down - my BC muscle was really fatigued. I keep having the problem of a twitchy BC muscle during my edging, which contributes to premature ejaculation for me. Not entirely sure how to remedy this... going to practice ballooning, see if I can eventually control it with practice.

I may have to do kegels periodically throughout the day since I seem to fatigue my BC muscle too much to get a good workout in after my session... dunno though.

I added a multi-vitamin in today, just wanted to make a note of that.

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I'm reading around a lot on rest days & etc. over on Thunders. Thus far I have not come to a conclusion on any of it (damn it), but I did find this to be a very interesting post:

This could explain why ejaculation effects gains.

Good find, Keido. I've also found that my penis tends to contract after an ejaculation. Although, this is a temporary occurrence and might not affect gains negatively at all.

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You can try a reverse kegel by pushing your muscles like you're squeezing out a fart. That might put enough tension on your muscles to prevent the twitching. Potassium might help too.

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Good find, Keido. I've also found that my penis tends to contract after an ejaculation. Although, this is a temporary occurrence and might not affect gains negatively at all.

True, but certainly it could explain the reason for the reported lesser gains of the men who ejaculated within an hour after their PE workout, in the PE survey. I think ejaculation outside of a certain window before/after a PE session probably doesn't have an effect on gains.

Actually, remek, while you're here I was wondering if I could pick your brain a bit:

- Did you use the TGC theory on yourself and find good results from it? I've been having an increased EQ from focusing more on my smooth muscle than tunica so far so I'm feeling good about the theory, but I was wondering what sort of results other people have had from it. I didn't see many mentions of it in the thread over on Thunders.

- What sort of rest day scenario have you found optimal (or other men have found optimal)? This is highly confusing for me since I've seen many guys who do daily routines that have gained inches in months, but I don't know if this is just the freaky anomaly scenario coming into factor or if a daily routine attributes to more gains. I looked through my log and never really seemed dedicated enough to an every day routine to see gains from it, so I'm not sure if every other day wouldn't be optimal for me. I'm wondering this because my EQ seems to have dropped a bit these past few days and I'm concerned I may be overworking going on an every day approach - although this could be attributed to stress or some other factor too, so I don't know. I think I may take the weekend off and see if my EQ improves, which may answer my rest day question for me.

Thanks jayhawk, I'll give that a shot next time I do ballooning.

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I'm going to take some days off to see if my EQ improves. If it does I'm going to implement rest days into my routine. I was thinking about doing: 2 on / 1 off + 3 on / 1 off for a total of 7 days. I've only ever tried an every-other-day (generally MWF) and haven't had good results from it, so I wonder what this new schedule would do. There's always 5 on / 2 off too, heh.


Along with the smooth muscle I was wondering if perhaps steroids then have an effect on penis growth. I suppose this would make sense, actually, since there have been a lot of professional bodybuilders who take creatine and other supplements and seem to have good gains. I'm on the fence about how much protein is actually required to build muscle ( Eat More Protein to Build More Muscle | Brad Pilon's Nutrition Help Blog - Eat Stop Eat, Nutrition and Health ), but I think supplements like steroids would probably help in the long run. Still, I would never take steroids for any reason.

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I'm going to take some days off to see if my EQ improves. If it does I'm going to implement rest days into my routine. I was thinking about doing: 2 on / 1 off + 3 on / 1 off for a total of 7 days. I've only ever tried an every-other-day (generally MWF) and haven't had good results from it, so I wonder what this new schedule would do. There's always 5 on / 2 off too, heh.

Keido. Congratulations on your 500th. post. I love your thread.

Ya know buddy, the 5 on 2 off routine is what brung me to the dance. I stayed on that routine for many, many months, trying to stay true to the 90 day routine, because I had written it and wanted to make damn sure that what I had put out there was going to work.
I truly believe that it set up the pattern of gains, (past the Newbie gains, that is,) by sticking to that schedule until I started having "down days." I wrote about these in my Just an Observation thread. When I finally abandoned the 5-2 routine and went on the 2 on and 1 off, it seemed to be what carried me on to my remarkable gains.
Now, I am just on maintainence and no set routine. So, good luck to ya partner and....

NO! Don't even think of putting roid's in your body. I'll send my 6'7" bud, jayhawk to stomp you. *Hee*

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Oh yeah, no, definitely no steroids here. I was just wondering if that could explain some of the great gains some bodybuilders (who used steroids) have made, like that guy who did a 6 on / 1 off of just 10 min of strong jelqing every day that I linked to some time recently.

JP, are you saying that you made most of your gains on the 2 on / 1 off or the 5 on / 2 off routine?

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I had very good Newbie gains with the 5-2 routine. I think this conditioned my dick so that when I went to the 2-1, I just saw the gains keep coming.

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I wonder if it's similar to the more advanced bodybuilders who eventually have to take more rest days for recuperation to see size gains.

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I think improved EQ helps with premature ejaculation. My reasoning for this is because I'm finding when I edge these past couple days I tend to kegel myself to get more erect, which in turn makes me shoot a bit faster. I was noticing, for the few days I had improved EQ there, that my premature ejaculation was lessened because I wasn't overcompensating on hardness by kegeling. I find this kind of interesting.

I had a thought on rest days for myself:
2 on / 1 off for a smooth muscle oriented routine (more rest days for smooth muscle growth).
5 on / 2 off for a tunica oriented routine (I think length - tunica - oriented exercise needs less days for growth, but I may be off on this).

Anyway I've decided to take days off until my EQ is back to a level I feel is good, then I'm going to do a 2 on / 1 off routine with these details:
Routine
- 2 on / 1 off
- Added volume every other week - 1.1X current load, rounded up ( so 20X1.1 = 22, 22X1.1 = 24.2 [rounded up to 25], and so on)
- 30:70 tunica:smooth muscle ratio of work - 10 min of Stretching, 20 min of Jelqing

Anyway, I'm curious to see what kind of gains I'll make on a 2on1off routine. I was thinking about doing 3 on / 1 off because my EQ dropped on the fourth day of my routine, but I'll see what the 2 on / 1 off does for me. 3on1off may be too close to overtraining.

Also, I'm gonna focus more on edging after my sessions to keep my penis very full and engorged. Back when I was gaining I would edge (I called it "engorging" back then) after all of my sessions and I think this had a very large benefit. I'll try to do 20 minutes minimum. This will be another reason to take days off so my EQ/horniness is always top notch for edging.