Toys and Porn

[FinallyBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close FinallyBig]

It's obvious that you have an issue with women pleasuring themselves with whatever they decide to use. Hand, Vibe, Pillow, Shower Head, Hot Tub Jet or Rolling Pin.

Oh I'm sorry I've ask my ladies on many occasions to partake in such Fun!

Better than Any NFL Game including the Super Bowl!

I only have an issue with it if it is preventing her from orgasming from manual methods, thereby making sex less enjoyable. Unless you don't care if your woman can't orgasm from your dick or tongue, and needs a vibe. Hey if that doesn't bother you more power to you. But most guys here are doing PE because we want longer thicker cocks and hopefully women will enjoy sex more when we reach our goals. It's an awesome feeling when a woman orgasms with me. If she uses a vibe too fine, but if she needs it to get off and my dick isn't good enough that's a letdown and a turn off for me. I wouldn't be able to date a girl who couldn't orgasm from sex or oral with me. It would make sex so damn boring, I get off on making a woman get off.

Guys here get all excited when they make gains in PE, they hope their gf or future gf will appreciate it. Maybe she will finally orgasm with them if they keep getting bigger. Each time they get bigger, they are more confident they will be able to satisfy a woman they are with.

[kickinthemebs Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close kickinthemebs]

It is interesting to contrast the problems caused by porn to guys and toys to girls - the sexual dysfunction mentioned, distancing from partners, lack of physical contact with partner, opting for substitutes (toys or porn), and so forth.

I believe both porn and toys can be used in a healthy relationship, but can also be abused and cause a lot of problems in relationships. The abundance of threads/posts etc on this forum about the ill-effects of porn, it sounds like a similar thing is happening over on women's forums about excess toy use. Interesting discussion guys and girls.

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I only have an issue with it if it is preventing her from orgasming from manual methods, thereby making sex less enjoyable. Unless you don't care if your woman can't orgasm from your dick or tongue, and needs a vibe. Hey if that doesn't bother you more power to you. But most guys here are doing PE because we want longer thicker cocks and hopefully women will enjoy sex more when we reach our goals. It's an awesome feeling when a woman orgasms with me. If she uses a vibe too fine, but if she needs it to get off and my dick isn't good enough that's a letdown and a turn off for me. I wouldn't be able to date a girl who couldn't orgasm from sex or oral with me. It would make sex so damn boring, I get off on making a woman get off.


Guys here get all excited when they make gains in PE, they hope their gf or future gf will appreciate it. Maybe she will finally orgasm with them if they keep getting bigger. Each time they get bigger, they are more confident they will be able to satisfy a woman they are with.

The Most Important Sexual Statistic


Only 25 percent of women are consistently orgasmic during vaginal intercourse.


This bears repeating: Only one-quarter of women reliably experience orgasm during intercourse-no matter how long it lasts, no matter what size the man's penis, and no matter how the woman feels about the man or the relationship.

This statistic comes not from just one study, but from a comprehensive analysis of 33 studies over the past 80 years by Elisabeth Lloyd in her fascinating book The Case of the Female Orgasm (Harvard University Press).

Rounding things out: About half of women sometimes have orgasms during intercourse. About 20 percent seldom or ever have orgasms during intercourse. And about 5 percent never have orgasms, period.

But the key to most women's erotic pleasure comes not from the penis and intercourse, but from direct clitoral stimulation, using the fingers, palm, tongue, or sex toys.

The Most Important Sexual Statistic | Psychology Today

[INS Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close INS]

I agree with FinallyBig on the aspect to reduce the frequency of using vibrators if it starts to affect sensitivity, since I do not want my skills in oral/manual/etc to not be made obsolete. Otherwise, they're all fine and dandy.

Although, I don't mind using dildos of any size. Heck, I'd strap one on, no problem. But, that's just me.


Also, I'm not sure how much the 25% not orgasming from intercourse statistic is valid. I guess it would be true if no clitoral stimulation is involved, but if a penis is girth enough, should it not indirectly stimulate the clitoris as well?

I guess I'm trying to say that having the woman mentally there is important. But if you have a big dick, or a vibrator, it doesn't matter as much. The smaller guys are the ones who are told by sexuality writers that they can compensate for being small by, "getting really good at eating pussy", "work the angles", "do lots of foreplay", "try buying a penis extender to wear during sex, or warming lube, or a vibrating cock ring." They suggest positions too that will make you feel bigger than you really are, etc... yeah physical is really important. Women can orgasm even if they don't want to if the stimulation is high enough. It's like trying to resist sneezing at that point. Once you reach that point of no return, that sneeze is coming out.

Whaaa man....guys with big ones need to be good at foreplay as well. How else would you make it fit? Also, they need certain angles so it doesn't hurt in some positions.

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I have created a monster Mrs Frankenstein, but don't worry, I have included a vibrating rubber willy to make you smile (Just kidding ladies and gents don't set me on fire just yet). This thread was never meant to attack any sex/masturbation aid/practice, it was meant maybe to blur the lines that divide us a little, I guess I wanted to see if the boys and the fairer sex were playing fair with regards to our fun time.

For me toys and porn are just a bit of fun, an aid, used in moderation may be healthy even. It appears both can have negatives for a couple and individual, I haven't experienced any of these negatives personally I don't think, so can't be sure.

It would seem that our partners masturbation habits can be a source of insecurity for both male and female alike, I believe we all have an equal right to express ourselves sexually, alone and with our partners!

The problem then I suppose is how we deal with these insecurities, we could carry on and attempt to force our partner to accept our behaviour, as it is our right after all. But this doesn't seem like the ideal way to strengthen a bond between a couple, especially when one is having doubts about themselves.

We could discuss our feelings taking into consideration our partners feelings about this and try and reach some middle ground. Or just give up practising with our aid of choice and save all our orgasms for our partner. Or maybe use no external stimulus when masturbating, just our imaginations and hands.

When Mrs Basset tried to tell me that watching porn is like cheating, I reminded her of the hundreds of raunchy novels that loiter our bookshelves and I star in none of these. When I suggested that I would give up watching my aid of choice if she would get rid of hers, she declined.

I did eventually request she get rid of much of her stash as she had way too many and our bookshelves could not cope any longer. She is now the proud owner of a popular E-reader I bought her to store them on instead.

Personally I am perfectly happy with her reading and fantasising about whomever or whatever she choose, in fact I think it healthy, we are still together after-all and when we have sex together it is just us. I have asked her if she would like any sex toys, but she showed little interest, do I think any of this cheating - Hell no.

The only thing here I really have to disagree with, is when it thought okay for one party to have their fun and this same/similar behaviour being unacceptable for the other, but this can work both ways.

I don't believe that repressing a partners feelings or practices is the way to sexual freedom. It is my hope that we all may be secure enough to enjoy ourselves and let our partners do the same, without any forcing of attitudes as force rarely works when trying to get people to accept our views.

Okay you can set me on fire now

[kickinthemebs Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close kickinthemebs]

What the man made of liquorice said...

[FinallyBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close FinallyBig]

I agree with FinallyBig on the aspect to reduce the frequency of using vibrators if it starts to affect sensitivity, since I do not want my skills in oral/manual/etc to not be made obsolete. Otherwise, they're all fine and dandy.

Although, I don't mind using dildos of any size. Heck, I'd strap one on, no problem. But, that's just me.


Also, I'm not sure how much the 25% not orgasming from intercourse statistic is valid. I guess it would be true if no clitoral stimulation is involved, but if a penis is girth enough, should it not indirectly stimulate the clitoris as well?



Whaaa man....guys with big ones need to be good at foreplay as well. How else would you make it fit? Also, they need certain angles so it doesn't hurt in some positions.

That's it, all I was saying is if they affect sensitivity I have a problem with them. Or if she got a vibe and then didn't want sex as often that would piss me off too. If not then I don't care either way.

Strap one on to give her a DP! That's the first thing that popped into my perverted mind :P I saw a prank on Youtube where this guy was showing girls a strap on dildo, and one girl asked him, "Why do you need that? Is your dick too small hahaha!" And he said, "No, I like to use two."

A girthy dick can put enough pressure on her walls to give her a G-spot orgasm, and it also will directly stimulate her clitoris by rubbing against it each time the guy moves in or out, a smaller dick won't rub on her clitoris at all, it will be too far away, kind of like how Earth is too far away from the Sun to be burnt, but if the Sun got bigger it could engulf the Earth. Think of the clit as the Earth, and a girthy dick is like a red giant Sun that expands and reaches the Earth. Sorry that's the best picture I could paint without actually drawing a picture of what I mean.

I notice that with the tight girls who take my 6" girth dick, they almost always orgasm during sex. If definitely helps. The normal or large sized girls I could go all day and it's not going to happen. Actually I think most women are large. They can easily take 6" girth like it's nothing. I'm guessing it would take at least 6.5" girth to give the average woman an orgasm from only penetration.

I had a FWB once who I met online. She never came during sex even with my 6" girth. But I brought my pump over one evening and pumped up to 7" girth using my 2.25" diameter tube. She orgasmed hard that night from regular missionary. So maybe a lot of these girls who think they can't orgasm from penetration, just need a really really well-endowed guy to fill them up and give them the stimulation they need to cum. The vast majority of guys aren't 7" girth so they will go through life thinking they can't orgasm from sex.

I am convinced girth can make the difference between giving a girl an orgasm through penetration or not. Girls always talk about how girth is more important than length, probably for this very reason.

Here's a test to see if I'm right: Have sex with a girl, and then the next time pump your dick first to increase your girth by at least 0.5" girth. See how differently the girl reacts. Pumping first always made girls orgasm more easily with me. Nature is cruel in that it made most penises too small to satisfy a normal sized vagina. Hence the obsession men have with teenage girls, virgins, Asians, etc... they are looking for women "their size" who they can satisfy. We should be evolved to already be the right size, and not have to do PE at all.

Guys with big ones *only* need to worry about using special angles to avoid hurting the girl...if...if...they are very long. I was talking about girth in my other comment. And you don't need to be really good at foreplay to make a girl wet. Usually a girl is already wet if she is horny and wants sex. And any kind of light licking or fingering will loosen her up. And when girls foreplay themselves before sex, all I see them do is rub on their clit and maybe play with their nipples, they don't do anything fancy. You don't have to be some sort of foreplay ninja or anything. That's for small guys who are trying to compensate. The big guy just licks her for a couple minutes, checks to see if she is ready by trying to see if 3 fingers will easily go in, and then they have sex. The little guy will go down on her for an hour first or finger her to orgasm, going really fast with his tongue until he can't even talk properly afterwards cause it's tired out, so then when they have sex after she won't be disappointed, because he already made her cum before sex with his tongue or fingers.

[TPW Senior Member Member of the Month Oct 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close TPW]

Hey Candyman,

I agree with your summary but then again, it is very similar to what I wrote in my first post on this thread. (see below) Personally, I think one of the most damaging yet common problems that this thread has clearly indicated is the preoccupation with orgasm achievement as the one and only objective. In other words, sex is viewed primarily as a goal-oriented experience and anything less than an orgasm for one or both partners is considered a failure. Perhaps if sex was done solely for procreation then that may make sense but it isn't.

Sex is an opportunity to engage in the ultimate in sensual pleasure; to intimately connect with another on various levels. And that will only be best achieved when we start to view our sexual encounters are as a process rather than a single-minded objective of achieving orgasm. Where we experience each kiss, touch or sexual act throughout our sexual play as a pleasurable end in and of itself yet with each blending seamlessly into the next sensual act and next one. And should orgasm be achieved at any point, well that would simply be the cherry on top of an already tasty treat.

As I have already stated, when orgasm is considered the only worthwhile goal, sex then becomes a performance which means there is now a chance of failure. And since no one likes to fail, unrealistic fears and insecurities begin to develop. Suddenly, anything that we believe can diminish our chances of orgasm success - the size of our genitals, an inhibited partner, a sex toy - is now perceived as a threat to our very egos. And of course, in order to save face, we begin to blame. Not very conducive for a happy and healthy sex life now is it?

As I and others have said, whenever a sexual aid is used as a REPLACEMENT, then there is an intimacy issue that the couple will need to address but when they are used to simply increase sexual pleasure and add variety then I see no problem whatsoever with using them.

Hey Candyman,

I am not sure if it is because I am a sex blogger but I have a different perspective about the use of sex toys.

I do not consider the use of sex toys to be in any way similar to watching porn because the former is primarily physical stimulation while the latter is primarily mental stimulation. Now if you had asked if the use of sex toys was comparable to male masturbation I would absolutely agree.

I advocate the use of sex toys for women for a few reasons; it encourages masturbation which helps a woman to better understand her sexual body and how it can best be pleasured. She can then share that wisdom with her lover. It can help a woman achieve orgasm and the more frequently she can climax, the easier she can reach orgasm in the future; either alone or with her partner.

We also need to remember that vibrators and dildos are not a sexual replacement but a sexual accessory that simply adds a bit of variety to erotic play.

Regarding your question about manual stimulation being less effective after mechanical stimulation; some women find they have difficulty but most women don't. For these woman it is simply a different yet equally pleasurable form of stimulation.

Regarding desensitization and over-sensitization due to sex toy use, yes it can occur but it is usually in excess. As far as the use of sex toys becoming addictive; well as much as excessive masturbation can become addictive, I suppose.

About my guy watching porn; well that is sort of a tough one for me to answer honestly since he doesn't watch it. I do remember years ago, he and I rented a porn movie to spice things up but we couldn't stop laughing at the atrocious acting; so the intended purpose to arouse never actually occurred. We never rented another one as it seemed like a waste of money.

I have created a monster Mrs Frankenstein, but don't worry, I have included a vibrating rubber willy to make you smile (Just kidding ladies and gents don't set me on fire just yet). This thread was never meant to attack any sex/masturbation aid/practice, it was meant maybe to blur the lines that divide us a little, I guess I wanted to see if the boys and the fairer sex were playing fair with regards to our fun time.

For me toys and porn are just a bit of fun, an aid, used in moderation may be healthy even. It appears both can have negatives for a couple and individual, I haven't experienced any of these negatives personally I don't think, so can't be sure.

It would seem that our partners masturbation habits can be a source of insecurity for both male and female alike, I believe we all have an equal right to express ourselves sexually, alone and with our partners!

The problem then I suppose is how we deal with these insecurities, we could carry on and attempt to force our partner to accept our behaviour, as it is our right after all. But this doesn't seem like the ideal way to strengthen a bond between a couple, especially when one is having doubts about themselves.

We could discuss our feelings taking into consideration our partners feelings about this and try and reach some middle ground. Or just give up practising with our aid of choice and save all our orgasms for our partner. Or maybe use no external stimulus when masturbating, just our imaginations and hands.

When Mrs Basset tried to tell me that watching porn is like cheating, I reminded her of the hundreds of raunchy novels that loiter our bookshelves and I star in none of these. When I suggested that I would give up watching my aid of choice if she would get rid of hers, she declined.

I did eventually request she get rid of much of her stash as she had way too many and our bookshelves could not cope any longer. She is now the proud owner of a popular E-reader I bought her to store them on instead.

Personally I am perfectly happy with her reading and fantasising about whomever or whatever she choose, in fact I think it healthy, we are still together after-all and when we have sex together it is just us. I have asked her if she would like any sex toys, but she showed little interest, do I think any of this cheating - Hell no.

The only thing here I really have to disagree with, is when it thought okay for one party to have their fun and this same/similar behaviour being unacceptable for the other, but this can work both ways.

I don't believe that repressing a partners feelings or practices is the way to sexual freedom. It is my hope that we all may be secure enough to enjoy ourselves and let our partners do the same, without any forcing of attitudes as force rarely works when trying to get people to accept our views.

Okay you can set me on fire now

[TPW Senior Member Member of the Month Oct 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close TPW]

To those gentlemen who stated that the mind/brain is our most potent sex organ, you are absolutely correct. In fact, sex wouldn't even be possible without it. Everything we think and believe how we feel and what we do is all controlled by the mind/brain (and the central nervous system) and sexual arousal and orgasm is no exception.

It is understandable why many people, might be skeptical about just how essential the mind/brain is in both arousal and orgasm. This is likely because sexual arousal and orgasm FEELS biological/physical. It FEELS natural and spontaneous, almost like something is happening TO us rather than something that we are responsible for creating. Sexual pleasure seems to be rooted in the body; it is so connected to the pleasurable stimulation of specific body parts that the idea that our minds are actually running the show may seem wrong. It may look like it is just a simple case of stimulus and response but that is only because we are unaware of the intermediate and lightning-quick steps between an arousing image, behaviour or sensation and the experience of sexual excitement.

But science has proven that there are indeed intermediate steps. In fact, there is a complicated process that intervenes between stimulus and response. The thing itself – the sensation of a vibrator, the mental image, the sex position, the kiss, the oral pleasuring – isn't automatically arousing. It arouses us for a reason and reasons belong to the domain of the mind. The most erogenous zones of our bodies can be touched without a hint of arousal (ask any woman about her last physical) while the perfect kiss to the neck can be intensely arousing. Sexual excitement is generated by the mind; a mind that provides images and sensations with just the right meaning to create pleasure. In other words, when it comes to sexual arousal and orgasm; the mind makes use of the body not the other way around.

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That's it, all I was saying is if they affect sensitivity I have a problem with them. Or if she got a vibe and then didn't want sex as often that would piss me off too. If not then I don't care either way.

Strap one on to give her a DP! That's the first thing that popped into my perverted mind :P I saw a prank on Youtube where this guy was showing girls a strap on dildo, and one girl asked him, "Why do you need that? Is your dick too small hahaha!" And he said, "No, I like to use two."

A girthy dick can put enough pressure on her walls to give her a G-spot orgasm, and it also will directly stimulate her clitoris by rubbing against it each time the guy moves in or out, a smaller dick won't rub on her clitoris at all, it will be too far away, kind of like how Earth is too far away from the Sun to be burnt, but if the Sun got bigger it could engulf the Earth. Think of the clit as the Earth, and a girthy dick is like a red giant Sun that expands and reaches the Earth. Sorry that's the best picture I could paint without actually drawing a picture of what I mean.

I notice that with the tight girls who take my 6" girth dick, they almost always orgasm during sex. If definitely helps. The normal or large sized girls I could go all day and it's not going to happen. Actually I think most women are large. They can easily take 6" girth like it's nothing. I'm guessing it would take at least 6.5" girth to give the average woman an orgasm from only penetration.

I had a FWB once who I met online. She never came during sex even with my 6" girth. But I brought my pump over one evening and pumped up to 7" girth using my 2.25" diameter tube. She orgasmed hard that night from regular missionary. So maybe a lot of these girls who think they can't orgasm from penetration, just need a really really well-endowed guy to fill them up and give them the stimulation they need to cum. The vast majority of guys aren't 7" girth so they will go through life thinking they can't orgasm from sex.

I am convinced girth can make the difference between giving a girl an orgasm through penetration or not. Girls always talk about how girth is more important than length, probably for this very reason.

Here's a test to see if I'm right: Have sex with a girl, and then the next time pump your dick first to increase your girth by at least 0.5" girth. See how differently the girl reacts. Pumping first always made girls orgasm more easily with me. Nature is cruel in that it made most penises too small to satisfy a normal sized vagina. Hence the obsession men have with teenage girls, virgins, Asians, etc... they are looking for women "their size" who they can satisfy. We should be evolved to already be the right size, and not have to do PE at all.

Guys with big ones *only* need to worry about using special angles to avoid hurting the girl...if...if...they are very long. I was talking about girth in my other comment. And you don't need to be really good at foreplay to make a girl wet. Usually a girl is already wet if she is horny and wants sex. And any kind of light licking or fingering will loosen her up. And when girls foreplay themselves before sex, all I see them do is rub on their clit and maybe play with their nipples, they don't do anything fancy. You don't have to be some sort of foreplay ninja or anything. That's for small guys who are trying to compensate. The big guy just licks her for a couple minutes, checks to see if she is ready by trying to see if 3 fingers will easily go in, and then they have sex. The little guy will go down on her for an hour first or finger her to orgasm, going really fast with his tongue until he can't even talk properly afterwards cause it's tired out, so then when they have sex after she won't be disappointed, because he already made her cum before sex with his tongue or fingers.

I've heard of a few instances of guys with 3-4" dicks who could directly hit the g-spot and cause orgasm (sometimes a chick's first orgasm from penetration). I can search them out if you want. Also, a shorter guy tends to be closer to the pubic bone and can grind on the clitoris more generously. And you don't need to tell me twice about the value of girth (or length) considering my obsession with using larger toys than myself.

Damn, I can only imagine using two for the same hole. DVP FTW!

Your analogy was weird man. Were you high?

[TPW Senior Member Member of the Month Oct 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close TPW]

Hey INS,

What you heard is correct. We need to remember that the average vaginal canal is only 3-5 inches in length. And it will only enlarge (to a point - sort of like a balloon) when a woman is sexually aroused in order to accommodate whatever is inserted.

Also, the part of the vagina (not including the clitoris) that generates the most pleasure for a woman is the opening and the first third of the vaginal canal.

Remember that there are 8000 nerve endings in the clitoris (the penis has 4000) and its ONLY purpose for existence is to provide a woman with pleasure. It is truly the root of her arousal and its glans (the pleasure bud) is located on the outside of her vagina!

As we have discussed in your thread (and provided a diagram); the clitoris is much more internal than external. When it is properly stimulated, the entire clitoris (clitoral arms, etc) become engorged, creating greater sensitivity to the vaginal walls. In fact, increasing evidence suggests that that the G-spot feels good because it lies right over a deep part of the clitoris. Although the G-spot is described as being inside the vagina on the front wall, just under the urethra, the crura of the clitoris actually runs right there. In fact a study conducted a few years ago demonstrated that vaginal orgasms may actually be deep clitoral orgasms. Whether or not that is conclusive, the point is that the proper stimulation of the clitoris is at the heart of vaginal pleasure too.

And finally, remember that one of the most pleasurable sex positions for women is the Coital Alignment Technique (C.A.T.) which has less to do with a man's size and more to do with the proper "rocking motion" of his pelvic area against her clitoral area.

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Hey Candyman,

I agree with your summary but then again, it is very similar to what I wrote in my first post on this thread. (see below) Personally, I think one of the most damaging yet common problems that this thread has clearly indicated is the preoccupation with orgasm achievement as the one and only objective. In other words, sex is viewed primarily as a goal-oriented experience and anything less than an orgasm for one or both partners is considered a failure. Perhaps if sex was done solely for procreation then that may make sense but it isn't.

I agree there are similarities.

For me, because I have DE, many of my sexual encounters with Mrs Basset don't end in orgasm, for me at least. Whilst I still get the pleasure of all the sensations and putting a smile on her face, it still remains a goal, just not an immediate one for any one particular encounter! But more of an overall we will get there one day kinda thing, similar to my PE goals.

Since we are responsible for our own orgasms and my goal is a personal one, I don't think it unreasonable. Do I feel like a failure if I don't orgasm/ejaculate when having sex - no! (This works both ways) Neither does she particularly, she know it takes me forever and there is no hard feelings (no pun intended).

If it doesn't happen, then I guess I will continue to just enjoy the experience and be grateful for the ones we do get together and that I can reach them on my own, eventually.

On the rare occasion I watch my aid of choice I can reach orgasm/ejaculation quicker than when I don't, but not always. This may be because guys generally tend to be more visual? But whether a physical or mental stimulus, all our aids essentially stimulate our mind through our physical senses that connect mind and body, I believe.

I believe a partner is capable of stimulating way more senses than any aid ever could, aids then are pretty one dimensional in comparison, in that they only stimulate one or two senses, but fun nonetheless.

Again it was never my intent to attack any sex aid, but I do think it important that we don't become reliant on such things for our sole source of stimulation/pleasure/erection/orgasm, if they add a new dimension to our solo/partnered play, then great!

Thanks for your posts TPW, they are welcomed, valued and insightful.

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How much length do you lose doing CAT position?

[FinallyBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close FinallyBig]

I've heard of a few instances of guys with 3-4" dicks who could directly hit the g-spot and cause orgasm (sometimes a chick's first orgasm from penetration). I can search them out if you want. Also, a shorter guy tends to be closer to the pubic bone and can grind on the clitoris more generously. And you don't need to tell me twice about the value of girth (or length) considering my obsession with using larger toys than myself.

Damn, I can only imagine using two for the same hole. DVP FTW!

Your analogy was weird man. Were you high?

Yeah I was high yesterday lol. I like to get high and then go online to read and listen to music. But it still makes sense to me now.

It's possible for a 3 - 4" long dick to make a girl orgasm from penetration, but highly unlikely. If that was all you needed to satisfy the majority of women we wouldn't be trying to increase our length and girth now would we? What guy, who honestly believes a skinny 3" dick is enough to give girls powerful orgasms...would spend several hours a week or more, pulling, jelqing, pumping, clamping his dick until it turns purple, hanging weights from his dick, wearing an extender device under his pants at work, etc... I judge a man's beliefs by his actions, not by what he claims to believe.

We all know an 8" dick will give more pleasure than a 3 - 4" dick. Even if you asked a woman what she would prefer, the vast majority would pick the bigger one. They don't even sell 3 - 4" dildos because no woman would buy them (I'm not talking about vibrators which can be small cause the vibration makes up for that). I've never seen an ad on a sex dating site of a woman asking for a man with a 3" dick, NEVER. There are a ton of ads of women asking for the guy to be "well endowed" or "at least 8 inches", though. If length doesn't help how come so many women on these sites are demanding 8 inches or better? I see some ads of women asking for an average 5 - 6" guy, but they are rare.

A longer dicked guy can also grind on a woman's pubic bone. All he needs to do is bury his long dick inside her, and then grind his body against her clit, unless he's so long he can't go all the way in. But he'd have to be at least 9" to have that problem. A guy with a big dick can be just as good at using the right angles, grinding, etc... plus he's got more to work with too. A short small penis would have to point upwards to hit her G-spot directly with the head of his dick. A guy with huge girth can just go in and out and stimulate the G-spot easily in any position, no special angles required. The pressure will also stimulate all of her walls, not just the G-spot area, but all around evenly.

Oh and even in those erotic novels written for women, the male protagonist is always described as being well endowed. In "50 Shades of Grey" when Christian Grey pulls down his pants the girl says, "Holy cow!" And it describes him "rolling the condom down his considerable length." Now when they call his length "considerable", I doubt they mean "short". It's obviously a long penis to be described as of "considerable length." If the story described Christian Grey as "rolling the condom down his modest length." Women would read that and not be as turned on. They imagine the man of their dreams as being well endowed, which is why in the books written for women, the man is always well endowed.

I just remembered I have a romance novel given to me by my sister and pulled it off my bookshelf. It's called "Behind Enemy Lines" by Cindy Dees (so it's written by a woman too). About a woman who falls for a Green Beret special forces guy, in the sex scene it describes, "Slowly, he sank into her, amazed by how her body stretched and gave to accommodate him. And then he was so deep inside her she could barely breathe." She can barely breathe he's so deep inside her? Like hitting her lungs? Lol. And he must have a lot of girth too for it to say she "stretched and gave to accommodate him". Yeah this guy in the book is packing! And it is a book written by a woman, for women. My sister read it first and then gave it to me. She thought I'd like it because it has a lot of battle scenes and special forces operations in it. But I mostly read it out of curiosity, to see what turns women on.

The most crazy DP I saw was a porno with Shorty Mac and Wesley Pipes, Shorty Mac is a legit 8" girth, and Wesley Pipes looks about 6" girth, and they stuffed both of their cocks into one pussy! They got them both in for a short time, but they kept popping out because it was just too much cock for one pussy. I am amazed the actress was able to fit them in at all, but she did.

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