if penis size is really that important

[Thick_Unit Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Thick_Unit]

Because women are very sensitive, emotionally and physically. They have a lot of spots on their body that feels good when you touch it the right way and makes them horny. It really just boils down to instinct. When I see a beautiful woman, I fantasize about touching every inch of her body then fucking the shit out of her once her vagina is good and wet. This is probably how women fantasize as well.

Yeah it works in fantasy land. Your so called instinct sounds like something you got from porn.
I am sure most do not like getting pounded away with a jack hammer.

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Why doesn't anyone look into arranged marriages for their possible relation to penis size? If not most people got married and had kids, what would the average penis size be? Longer or shorter? That's what I am interested in.

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My girl friend has told me about two men from her past. Both on opposite ends of the issue.

One she said was so small, she told him she just got her period and walked old the door. Never seen him again.

Then there was one guy who was too big. Couldn't take the whole thing.

She is not a good judge of length. She swears I'm at least 7"...she has tiny hands and can barely reach around it. So she always says it "huge"...but she does experence pain deep inside the next day after I really hammer it. I'm 6.25X5.5

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Well, I'm glad there's people like him who will get all of the bad slutty chicks. Better that the proper ladies are left for the real men like us.

Real men don't care enough to say that, Dem.

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I'm sorry, I can't help it...
You guys are the reason women don't like to talk openly about their sexuality around men. You make them feel ashamed by your comments. So you're saying any woman that likes sex with a large penis is a slut and that proper women don't have a libido? It's your attitudes and insecurities that cause frustration and conflict between the genders. Stop trying to make women what you want them to be and accept them for what they are. Seriously, you people are like from the 1950s. I can't believe your closed mindedness at a PE forum, of all places. A few weeks ago, I was browsing here, and I saw a thread on a guy talking about how he was going to try chemical PE injections for enlargement, and you people ATTACKED him. Jumped all over him, angrily. Demone, I'm talking to you. Then Dr. Runels pretty much gave you the speech I am giving you, how he can't believe that people at something as progressive as a PE site could be so closed minded.
Men like you make men like me have a hard life, because I actually love women for what they are and want to find out how to please them, but they are so afraid of being judged by society, they have to have a facade and put up barriers. I have to approach the subject very cautiously and make sure I let them know I am not being judgemental of them when I ask them questions about their sexuality. And the women who speak candidly about it are usually intelligent, beautiful women, University students who have jobs on the side. I love it when a woman is honest, because it shows me she is not afraid to admit who she is and is secure enough with herself to not feel the need to have to please me by telling me what I want to hear. I am by no means good with women, and I don't know a lot of them, but when I get the chance, I observe and ask questions to try and figure out everything I want to know. And their reaction is usually shock and amazement, because so rarely does anyone actually care enough to ask them. For once they get to be what they are, not what they are supposed to be, and the LOVE telling me about their sexuality. That is if they feel comfortable. I'd care to wager that most of you who attacked me probably do not fare well with women either. I don't want to make that assumption though. That would be an asshole move, like assuming that someone who wants a big penis to sexually dominate a woman can't also at the same time be sensitive, caring and passionate, and treat her the way she needs to be treated.
You guys really need to learn something about women. Shame on you.
Stop attacking people who don't have the same views as you (ie - on women, ideal penis size, on using chemical PE/different forms of PE not mentioned here).
Get off your high horse. You aren't the authority on what a man should be just because you have pull at a PE site.
BTW, if your daughter brought me home, she'd be a lucky girl. And you should be happy that she is with such an honest and open minded man.

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I don't believe this post for a second. You were on hold with NASA, the largest gathering of nerds on the planet with maybe the exception of CERN, to know how women think?

HA HA HA HA HA!

Yeah NASA is stuck in dude-think too. Just ask Jerry Seinfeld:

We explored the Earth looking for women.
We even went to the Moon just to see if there were any women there.
That's why we brought that little car.
Why would you bring a car, unless there's some chance of going on a date?
What the hell were they doing with a car on the goddamn Moon?
You're on the Moon already!
Isn't that far enough?
There is no more male idea in the history of the universe than:
"why don't we fly up to the Moon and drive around?"
That is the essence of male thinking right there.

Hehe. As for the topic HopefulAndDedicated, tongue and fingers can be superior due to their dexterity. A cock can be, and literally is, a blunt tool. There are techniques though to make the most of this situation. As for size mattering for real, common sense would say to me that it does. But then common sense also says that my common sense doesn't always make sense. I think that there can be too big, but I personally think that most guys will perform better with a larger dick, but as too how much impact itself this genuinely has, is a blurry subject for us. We're not able to see the truth clearly because we place so much importance on cock. It is just the guy thing to do.

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Ok, Mike, i am not in attack mode now. i am saying that it may be closed minded to say all women want a big dick. It may be closed minded to say they are only being opened and honest when they admit to wanting a big dick. Many of us do not think a woman is a slut or a whore if they love the big sausage, some do and it is a preference just as some men like a big pair of tits. Some men love big asses and some dont. Many women will place a high importance on dick size but many more do not. It is all really apples and oranges and it isnt as important as you seem to believe.

Just dont go into this thinking that you MUST get a bigger dick to please more women. Pe is such a gradual thing that many who are with the women they are with now dont even notice a difference if they were the same women that were with the man when he started. I mean it has taken me over a year to make the gains I have and seeing as I have gained about an average of .1 inch ( 1/10th) a month in length and about 1/2 an inch in girth over that span my wife has had more than adequate time to get used to the change. Hell man, i dont know if she would have liked it or not if I gained that much over night, she may have said get that thing away from me but I will never know.
And your last paragraph says it all, you are attacking those who think you are wrong. maybe you are a great guy so why not just accept when people dont agree with you. If you think I jumped your ass because I didnt agree with you then you are truly a blind man that can type. It had much more to do with how you were saying what you were saying.

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MikeSchlort,

I think you're missing some valuable points here. Of course some women prefer a large penis. I don't think anyone denies it or argues that. I've also never seen anyone here calling a woman a slut for her preference on size.

The problem is when you come in here and claim that ALL women prefer a large penis, and try to state it as fact. This is simply incorrect. The general consensus here is that those that have a large size preference are actually in the minority. Most simply could care less unless you are talking about extremes at either end of the spectrum. This has come straight from the mouths of many female members here.

I'm not sure if you're the science type, but if every woman only went after men with large penises, then the average size would be much larger than it is now from the process of evolution and the passing on of genes.

I personally don't mind your views, or the views of others that believe as you do. But you're going to continue to get resistance until you learn to separate your opinions from actual facts. The response you would get would be much different if your posts were more of "my opinion has always been........ because ......" instead of "it is a fact that ...."

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Oh boy...


Have you ever heard of the word generalization Mike?

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Yeah women come in all shapes and sizes, and surprisingly all different kinds of personalities and preferences. It's not hard to understand once it clicks. Some chicks like it big, some don't care, some will appreciate it like a bonus, and some won't even be able to tell if it's big or not, all they know is that it's their fella's willy. All sorts, and it's all good. You just got to accept them and yourself. There's no denying PE'ing for a bigger penis though is a lot of fun.. so cheer up

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To the original post. Dick size does matter. If it didnt women wouldnt talk about it all the time and this site wouldnt exist.

BUT with foreplay, as youve pointed out, you can be a stud. Ive got a tiny dick but by being mr foreplay i slide in and she is ready to cum.

And 6.5 x 5.5 is a big dick. If i had that penis enlargement would never have crossed my mind. 9 x 7. Laughable.

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if every woman only went after men with large penises, then the average size would be much larger than it is now from the process of evolution and the passing on of genes.

I really think I should start a thread on arranged marriages.

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I'm sorry, I can't help it...
You guys are the reason women don't like to talk openly about their sexuality around men. You make them feel ashamed by your comments. So you're saying any woman that likes sex with a large penis is a slut and that proper women don't have a libido? It's your attitudes and insecurities that cause frustration and conflict between the genders. Stop trying to make women what you want them to be and accept them for what they are.

I think the fact that you're wanting to stand up for women and protect them shows that you're a good caring guy. If the size matters issue is important to you, then you don't need to apologise for it. By the same token, people with alternative points of view are equally entitled to hold to what they genuinely think it right and true for them. The problem arises when either side demands the other adopt their own point of view. Just another one of my gosh darn 2 cents. What am I up to now anyway?

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I'm sorry, I can't help it...
You guys are the reason women don't like to talk openly about their sexuality around men. You make them feel ashamed by your comments. So you're saying any woman that likes sex with a large penis is a slut and that proper women don't have a libido? It's your attitudes and insecurities that cause frustration and conflict between the genders. Stop trying to make women what you want them to be and accept them for what they are. Seriously, you people are like from the 1950s. I can't believe your closed mindedness at a PE forum, of all places. A few weeks ago, I was browsing here, and I saw a thread on a guy talking about how he was going to try chemical PE injections for enlargement, and you people ATTACKED him. Jumped all over him, angrily. Demone, I'm talking to you. Then Dr. Runels pretty much gave you the speech I am giving you, how he can't believe that people at something as progressive as a PE site could be so closed minded.
Men like you make men like me have a hard life, because I actually love women for what they are and want to find out how to please them, but they are so afraid of being judged by society, they have to have a facade and put up barriers. I have to approach the subject very cautiously and make sure I let them know I am not being judgemental of them when I ask them questions about their sexuality. And the women who speak candidly about it are usually intelligent, beautiful women, University students who have jobs on the side. I love it when a woman is honest, because it shows me she is not afraid to admit who she is and is secure enough with herself to not feel the need to have to please me by telling me what I want to hear. I am by no means good with women, and I don't know a lot of them, but when I get the chance, I observe and ask questions to try and figure out everything I want to know. And their reaction is usually shock and amazement, because so rarely does anyone actually care enough to ask them. For once they get to be what they are, not what they are supposed to be, and the LOVE telling me about their sexuality. That is if they feel comfortable. I'd care to wager that most of you who attacked me probably do not fare well with women either. I don't want to make that assumption though. That would be an asshole move, like assuming that someone who wants a big penis to sexually dominate a woman can't also at the same time be sensitive, caring and passionate, and treat her the way she needs to be treated.
You guys really need to learn something about women. Shame on you.
Stop attacking people who don't have the same views as you (ie - on women, ideal penis size, on using chemical PE/different forms of PE not mentioned here).
Get off your high horse. You aren't the authority on what a man should be just because you have pull at a PE site.
BTW, if your daughter brought me home, she'd be a lucky girl. And you should be happy that she is with such an honest and open minded man.

Guys like you are actually the reason women won't talk openly about what they like or don't like because you assume you know it all. You sound like you are book smart (or should I say internet reading smart and porn smart)…Not life smart, Not cock smart.


The post I made here on this thread in response to you ,,I wasn’t being sarcastic, it wasn’t loaded with venom. I wanted to try and help you because I had read the posts you had left on my other threads.. I thought you had some hurt in you. there was and is def anger.. You don’t fucking know me, you should do a bit more reading and research before you decide you know why I am here and what my position on things are…but nope you decided to follow me around the forums trying to bait me…And then you come on this thread and accuse me of not being proud of being female! What the fuck was that about.?!?!. Was it because you can't handle the fact i don't think the world revolves around huge penis? And big dick doesn’t make a man.. ?



This is how it is…If you don't like how things are done here at the gym ..Why don't you just leave!! Why stay here? ..Go to one of the other penis enlargement forums… I personally would love to see how long you would last at say thunders place..

[MikeShlort Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MikeShlort]

Okay, fair enough.
That all sounds reasonable.
May I suggest that the female members here are probably not a good representation of the average woman, as their bias is obviously that size doesn't matter. In other words, they are likely a member here because a boyfriend/husband is a member, or they may feel the need to try to help out some men. It's not really a normal thing for a woman to be a member of a PE site. It's not even a normal thing for a man to be a member of a PE site, lol. In my opinion, I think their views on the subject are skewed and biased, since this is a PE site, most of the members are likely UNHAPPY about their unit, hence the need to exercise it. So the women who are members here are likely not going to sign up to write threads on how a big dick is fulfilling! See what I am getting at? You have to look at where your information is coming from, the potential biases that the person may have. Like a moderator or member of a PE forum. Obviously the majority of guys here are in the small to average size range, right? This isn't LPSG.com. SO the opinions of the members/moderators are going to be more aimed at the largest denominator here (ie - guys with small to average sized penises).
What is the term for when you say a positive lie? Like say someone bought a really horrible sweater, but you know they love it, and they ask you what you think of it, you will tell them you like it right, to spare their feelings? I feel this is dangerous in this instance.
Here is my view:
I agree totally that not all women need a large penis, BUT there are reasons:
1. They've never had one.
2. They had one, but it hurt, so it left a bad impression.
3. They naturally have shallow/narrow vaginas.
4. They have not had many partners, do not place sex over other facets of companionship/relationships.
5. They have had one, it was great, but the guy was an asshole.
6. They have had one, it was great, but they were only being used for sex by the guy, so they don't want to gratify a big penis because of their negative experience and feelings about themselves.

IMO, any woman can eventually adapt to any size.
But that's not really important right, because that isn't an everyday scenario - girls don't just go looking for a monster cock so they can stretch out their vaginas.

Here is why I believe it is crucial to have a large penis (I'm talking about ME):
I like pretty girls. All men like pretty girls. They can have any guy they want. Most pretty girls that I know have been dating since 13 and never looked back! Meaning, they are constantly in a relationship or being sexually active.

I am a young guy (mid 20s), and I know that the pretty girls that I like don't go any longer than 3 weeks without sex or a new boyfriend (which equals eventual sex!). And there is nothing wrong with that. If I could constantly have girlfriends/be in a relationship, I would too. The point I am trying to make is, they come in contact with a lot of different penises, or are constantly having sex.

So let's say the girl I have a crush on, the girl I like better than all the rest, the one who I know is special because of the way her eyes are, how she has a dry, sarcastic sense of humour, a brilliant mind, how she carries herself, and how her smile is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen, let's say her current boyfriend is 8"(NBP)x6"(6.5" BG). That's not unreasonable, because she is very beautiful, and she is capable of attracting the alpha males, and she does.

So say they are together for two years. Then they break up. She is devastated, but she'll find another. Now say ol' Mike Shlort comes along and sees her at a bar and things go well, what luck! They date for awhile and finally have sex. But uh, oh, ol' Mike Shlort is only 6.9"NBPx5.75" MEG. That's a large difference in volume. Likely why she liked the alpha so much is partly to do with how he made love to her. After all, they were together for two years, and that is a long time when you're young. So she will still get off, but it just isn't the same :|. She is used to bigger.

She will play it off at first, try to tell herself it isn't a big deal. After all, Mike Shlort is a great guy! But it puts Mike at a disadvantage. They say every relationship that is failing, the problems start in the bedroom. Mike loves this girl, he wants to be the best she's ever had! He wants that close intimate connection! He wants to be the guy that releases all that chemical love into her brain after endless lovemaking. But no matter how hard and how good he is, he just can't measure up.
It's science. More surface area per stroke, more spots hit simultaneously, the visual and mental stimulation, plus the mental factors - knowing that she posses a man who could please any woman sexually but he is just for her, makes her feel like a woman... etc.

She may love Mike Short a lot and know he is a great match for her personality wise, but she will always have a special place in her heart for her best lover. You can see where problems could arise here. So what is our hero Mike Shlort to do? Well, he could go on the internet, or read magazine articles that tell him his average size penis is perfectly fine (because those publications appeal to the mass population, therefore their bias would be to appease the largest percentage of people possible, not offend and piss them off) OR he could man up, and find a way to make his dick big. Big enough to put him on the level of the alphas.

OF COURSE she can always find bigger. But there comes a point where a woman can only stretch so far. She is only so deep, after all, she does have intestines and what not. And for girth, I imagine at a certain point, it just becomes to large that it is either painful or numbing. And hard to keep a stiff erection with such girth (watch shane diesel's porn) to have the proper in and out contact that is necessary.

So an average goal of 8.5" NBPx7" MEG is born. We all know that this measurement will be at maximum arousal. We also know that fucking at maximum arousal causes ejaculation. So more likely, to have consistent, long sex sessions, the engorgement rate would be more around 90%-95%. The maximum size will vary.

Let's for argument sake Mike wants an 8" NBP (still 7" EG). 8" is NOT an unrealistic number. So with that 8" NBP, he likely has a BPEL of 8.75". We know that when you thrust hard, some of that penis that is in that fat pad goes into that woman (missionary especially). So let's say the maximum depth Mike's imagined 8" NBP can reach is 8.5" deep. But let's factor in the fact that he isn't always going to be 100% while having sex. So we'll say he may even get down to 85% - 7.5" NBP.
So the range of penetration with Mike's 8" NBP is anywhere from 7.5" deep to 8.5" deep. Not too bad.

Now we have to consider her maximum depth. We don't want to come up shlort, but we also don't want too much sticking "out in the cold", because Mike loves this woman and he wants their pelvises to mesh together on each stroke, filling her perfectly. Likely, this girl is anywhere from 6.5"-9" deep. This is a realistic guess. Vaginas tent in different positions, and stretch and recede when aroused to allow the penis to go in more. So let's say her maximum depth at maximum arousal in the position that makes her vagina tent the most is 8.75" deep. But in missionary position, it is only 8.25" deep. Not a problem, since the range is 7.5"-8.5". If he wants to reach that extra .25" in that position, all he needs to do is start PEing hard to get that last little bit.

So now, she has never been happier sexually, and that aspect of the relationship will never be a negative, never a reason for things to start crumbling.

SO there you have it. Mike worked hard, got a bit lucky, and made his penis 1.25" in EL longer, and 1.25" in EG larger. He didn't listen to the naysayers, he didn't compromise what he knew was right, he didn't quit or lose any of his passion and intensity and drive for his goal just because of what people said. His reward is the best sex he could ever dream of, treating the woman he loves with what she deserves - completely fulfilling passionate love making. Mike is very aware that this is just one piece to the whole puzzle of being in a relationship and loving a woman, but he is also aware of how important sex is and passion is to a woman. Probably because it is very important to him too.
I mean, think of all the thought he put into it, think of all the things he considered, the angles he covered, putting himself in the mind of a woman, to try and figure out what she may want, and what her experiences might be. Of course he knows that he might be bat shit crazy and completely out of touch, but more likely he has an idea of what he's talking about from life experience and the subtle messages he picks up from conversations, observations and hands on experience.

So there you have it. If you read all this, well done. Making you read this is my revenge. But now you see exactly what my point is, how much thought I have put into this, and how bent I am on achieving this.
Hopefully you won't label me as a misogynist, or an asshole who forces his opinions on people, because that's not the case. Hopefully we can be friends and you can help me learn tricks how to gain to reach my goal! .1" in length a month for 10 months is amazing! That's an inch in 10 months. I have not been so fortunate in the past 10 months. So hopefully you will help me if I happen to ask you some questions about how you guys gained what you did and what might help me gain!

Thanks for your time