How much water should you drink while consuming protein shakes? (whey concentrate)

[PurpleOnes Senior Member Member of the Month June 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close PurpleOnes]

Taking steroids at any age will shut down your natural testosterone production. You will be just as shut down if you start juicing at age 25 instead of age 15 like Arnold.

It's true that taking steroids during puberty can cause the growth plates to fuse prematurely, which could prevent you from reaching you full natural height. However, Arnold was 6'2" at age 15, so I don't think he had anything to worry about, he was already taller than most men. You know he said in his autobiography he was 6'2" and only 150 lbs when he started? He put on 100 lbs of solid muscle in only 4 years!! Most guys couldn't do that even with all the steroids and growth hormone money can buy! So yes genetics are always a factor even when drugs are involved.

A good bodybuilding program is not geared towards heavy weights, so the thing about giving the joints and tendons time to develop first is a non-issue. I work out with a guy who has 20" arms, and he lifts the lightest weights. 20 lb dumbbells for lateral raises, curls 30 lb dumbbells, does bench press on the machine, doesn't even touch barbells or dumbbells for benchpress. Doesn't do anything with the barbell actually. He does bent over rows and shrugs on the Smith Machine. Only uses legpress, leg extensions, and leg curls, he NEVER does squats. Yet his legs are huge! He does dumbbell flyes with 40's or 50's, but only on the incline bench, never flat. He said flat bench is bad for your shoulders. This guy is a monster, one of the biggest guys I've seen, and many smaller guys in the gym lift heavier weights than him. But he does a lot of sets, high reps, his tendons and joints are under almost no stress. He never gets injured and is bigger than everyone in the gym.

Guys need to get this idea of lifting super heavy weights to build big muscles out of their heads. I curl 70 lb dumbbells and my arms are only 17", he's curling 30 lb dumbbells and his arms make mine look like twigs.

I absolutely agree with you though about learning the correct form for the basic exercises, before jumping on the roids. The guy I train with uses perfect controlled form on everything, he doesn't worry at all about the weights, he just uses strict form and goes for the burn. Full extension and squeezing at the top of the movement.

I think it was genetics for Arnold but also the stuff that they used back then was 100 % real.

There is two ways to create the muscle growth. First one is being thru using heavy weights and make the muscle fail.

Second on which most bodybuilders use is using mid heavy weight and getting as much blood into the muscle.

They basicly go for that pump and trust me when your on cycle the pumps are totally different.

You can even ask your buddy who uses.

[TheGreatDivider Senior Member Member of the Month Dec 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close TheGreatDivider]

To answer OP's original question, drinking anywhere from 3/4 of a gallon to about a gallon and a half of water should suffice. There's really no right amount of water you should be drinking, but you can drink about a gallon to a gallon and a half no problem.

Make sure you stop drinking before you feel your saliva starting to get too watery or when you get light-headed, dizzy, and feel any kidney pain. Those are signs you're drinking way too much.

There..... Question answered! Now can we please stop pretending we know everything about bodybuilding?!

[WIItard Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close WIItard]

Also a negative side-effect about steroids: you get cocky as hell .. Look down upon people who go the natural way etc.. But hey "if taken correctly ...". Can someone explain to me how you take steroids correctly? Like what you need to do to have as little negative side-effects as possible? Please .. I'm so curious about that .. I always read from users they don't have that much negative side-effects .. "you need to educate yourself" and blabla .. I just can't help to think "so I'm the one needing some education" .. it's just dangerous stuff. Someone enlighten me and tell me how you should take steroids to have as little side-effects as possible ..

Yeah this thread is way offtrack but I'm curious now ..

Different steroids do different things. Anavar is an oral that is given to children and women because it's very mild and won't close your growth plates. Dbol is a cheap oral that will bloat you right up. That is the classic roid for bloat, acne and rage. First thing would be get up on your different steroids, what they do and their side effects. Look up steroid profiles and there's the info.


I would say short cycles of anavar three or four weeks on and four to six off would be perfectly safe cycles. 3 cycles over 6 months will put some nice lean muscle on you. People will say short cycles won't work but they will and they are not hard on the body like these crazy 16 week cycles that guys do. Also I'm sure someone will say anavar is just a cutting roid. It will work better then Dbol. Dbol makes you gain a huge amount of water weight as soon as you go off that you will pee out 10 pounds of water in 2 days maybe more.

Next up is primo which they make a non liver toxic oral of that. Methenolone acetate is a non-c17-alpha-alkylated oral steroid, one of only a few commercially available oral agents that presents limited liver toxicity to the user. It is also highly favored for its properties as a moderately effective anabolic with low androgenic and no estrogenic properties. It is, likewise, commonly used during cutting phases of training, when lean tissue growth and solid muscularity, not raw bulk, are the key objectives. Short cycles and it will work better then anavar but much more expensive.

Primo plus Dbol the old school combo. Not much Dbol but some will give you good results with low risk.

A safe cycle can be done for sure. They use steroids on old people all the time and they don't drop dead. Do realize steroids are used for many medical uses and that's why they exist.

You guys who go on 16 week cycles of multiple injectables, good luck with that. Time will catch up with you later down the road.

[FinallyBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close FinallyBig]

I think it was genetics for Arnold but also the stuff that they used back then was 100 % real.

There is two ways to create the muscle growth. First one is being thru using heavy weights and make the muscle fail.

Second on which most bodybuilders use is using mid heavy weight and getting as much blood into the muscle.

They basicly go for that pump and trust me when your on cycle the pumps are totally different.

You can even ask your buddy who uses.

Well actually my buddy I was telling you about swears he's never taken any roids in his entire life. He said his size is because of his amazing genetics.

The bodybuilder way of high volume training with lighter weights is the best way to build muscle, if it wasn't, they wouldn't train that way. Yes the pumps are better but that's not why it works, pumping the muscle is just temporary, the growth comes later when the muscle fibers rebuild bigger than before.

Like doing a set of 20 rep squats will always build more muscle than doing a heavy 3 rep set, and that's even for a natural lifter 20 rep squats are better for building big legs. Higher reps taxes the muscle fibers more, it's all about time under tension and training to failure.

[TheGreatDivider Senior Member Member of the Month Dec 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close TheGreatDivider]

Those are nice theories. Not all 100% true or the end-all-be-all, but nice theories.

[akaTrex Senior Member Member of the Month Jan 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close akaTrex]

What part of the op question has to do with Steroids?

Why don't you the collective start your own tread on the Pro's and Con's of F'ing your body up with steroids!



As to the OPs question:

"how much water should you drink while consuming protein shakes whey concentrate" ?

I drink as much water as my body desires from my training and dietary needs. If my urine is too dark or yellow I drink more. If my urine is clear I drink less. It's a constant adjustment depending on my training and heat where I live.

[WIItard Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close WIItard]

Like doing a set of 20 rep squats will always build more muscle than doing a heavy 3 rep set, and that's even for a natural lifter 20 rep squats are better for building big legs. Higher reps taxes the muscle fibers more, it's all about time under tension and training to failure.

That statement caused a very long thread on a body builders forum. I believe in high reps for legs but you have to mix it up and go heavy every so often.

BTW push pull and NOS are all the rage right now. Body builders changed routines over time and there is no official it works for everyone way to build muscle. In fact change is always good and always watch for over training. Really over training is where roids come in. This is not a BB forum so that's the short answer.

[akaTrex Senior Member Member of the Month Jan 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close akaTrex]

That statement caused a very long thread on a body builders forum. I believe in high reps for legs but you have to mix it up and go heavy every so often.

BTW push pull and NOS are all the rage right now. Body builders changed routines over time and there is no official it works for everyone way to build muscle. In fact change is always good and always watch for over training. Really over training is where roids come in. This is not a BB forum so that's the short answer.

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[bolkonsky Banned Find all posts View Profile Close bolkonsky]

Trex. Everything Wiltard said is correct..

Your just showing how little you know brother.. Why dont you go take a trip to your IFBB hall of fame that you think exists.

OP / Sperminator: It doesnt matter at all how much water you ingest with a protein shake. Considering that your not dehydrated. If your into fitness the absolute worst thing you can do is be dehydrated. Drink 1.5 to 2 gallons of water per day unless your a big guy, then drink 3.

If you take a shake it should only be after a workout, Other wise its useless. Do your own research if you dont believe me. And when you take your post workout shake make sure you take it with a High Density Carb like dextrose or 'waxy-mays'.. I personally eat a bunch of sugar after a work out but i dont recomend that for normal people.

The more advanced you get with fitness the more precious every meal becomes. Once this happens you dont want to waist a meal on an isolate that your body doesnt absorb because 80% to 90% of it passes through you and you dont have a chance to synthesis your protein.

[FinallyBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close FinallyBig]

That statement caused a very long thread on a body builders forum. I believe in high reps for legs but you have to mix it up and go heavy every so often.

BTW push pull and NOS are all the rage right now. Body builders changed routines over time and there is no official it works for everyone way to build muscle. In fact change is always good and always watch for over training. Really over training is where roids come in. This is not a BB forum so that's the short answer.

NOS just seems like drop sets to me. It's nothing new. They just gave it a fancy scientific sounding name to make people think it's new and innovative. Neurological Overload Sets, it sounds so high tech! The old school guys were doing sets from 100 lbs all the way down to 10 lbs to completely fatigue their muscles too, they called it "running the rack" back then.

I really don't think routines have changed much at all in the past 40 years. Sure there is stuff like box jumps and foam rolling now, but that's not important for bodybuilders. Bodybuilders these days seem to do the same things, lots of sets, moderate to high reps, the same basic exercises and plate loaded machines. I max out every once in a while for fun. But mostly I don't lift anything that I can't do at least 6 reps with.

There is this trend of renaming old workouts and diets and trying to pass them off as something new. Like the "Paleo diet" is a lot like the "Atkins diet", nobody talks about the Atkins diet anymore, these days Paleo is the rage, but it really seems like basically the same thing to me. And now the vegetarians are trying to call the way they eat a "Starch based diet" cause the words vegan and vegetarian scare people away.

Speaking of water intake again. I remember when I was a kid we were taught the "drink 8 - 10 glasses of water a day" rule. Which now I realize is just enough to prevent dying of dehydration. I need way more water than that! I think bodybuilders have always been ahead of the curve that way. Bodybuilders were eating Paleo/low carb/Atkins/whatever you want to call it and drinking tons of water back in the 1960's. Now modern exercise and nutrition science is beginning to confirm what the bodybuilding world has known for decades.

[akaTrex Senior Member Member of the Month Jan 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close akaTrex]

bolkonsky,

The OP's Subject of the Thread was WHAT?

Obviously your alleged Steroid use has affected your mental faculties!

Time for another injection or pill pop. Continue on my brotha!

Again the subject of the conversation was what?

WAFI!

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[bolkonsky Banned Find all posts View Profile Close bolkonsky]

Trex i thought i addressed the OP's question better than anyone in my last post. Your the one who keeps going on tangents. I think you may be high or something.

And its sad that you think that is hall of fame. I feel sorry for your credulity. Go visit it and take some pictures.

I never brought up steroids. I refuse to talk about them because noone here knows anything about them and to try and educate anyone on them is pointless.

You can have the last word to tell ever
yone how stupid and fake I am.

[akaTrex Senior Member Member of the Month Jan 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close akaTrex]

And its sad that you think that is hall of fame. I feel sorry for your credulity.

You can have the last word to tell ever
yone how stupid and fake I am.

dude i swear the only thing i have against me is one count of a MICS (misconduct with a controlled substance) in the 4th degree. Thats it. In my state a MICS 4 is specifically for over an ounce of pot. And yes there is a whole bunch of shit i'm leaving out.


I've been shot at 3 times and have seen 2 murders, have known like 10 people to be shot. So i carry a SIG in my car. So the DA was trying to put me away for 5 years with no chance of parole. Because of manditory sentencing judges have no athority to override the mandated time served. I took a deal for 3 years time served... I'm going to jail because I have a new PO that is just fucking with me. Thats another story.


its super messed up. I had to quite a job i was making 120k a year at to go back to my state to serve probation. I now only make 70k a year.... its super crazy.

T-Rex OUT!

[TheSperminator Member of the Month Oct 12 Find all posts View Profile Close TheSperminator]

@Bolkonsky: are you trolling? I'm open minded. Give me some sources where I can get a decent explanation about steroids .. I know about anavar .. Another guy brought it up here .. A buddy of mine wanted to give it a shot .. Apparently it's harmless ..

I CONSTANTLY HEAR PEOPLE TALK ABOUT HOW WELL THEY KNOW EVERYTHING ON STEROIDS OR FITNESS/BODYBUILDING IN GENERAL, YET IF YOU ASK FOR A DECENT SOURCE, YOU NEVER GET ONE ..

There, I hope I see some results now .. + Bolkonsky everything you say like "I hope you only take shakes post workout etc or else it's a waste blabla" .. WHERE'S THE SOURCE DUDE? ... Atleast give me the chance to learn something new and perhaps acknowledge your knowledge on the subject ... You're just provoking people here ... Give me some sources .. I've done my own research, for 2-3 years already, I always red drink a shake pre and post workout in a time span of 30 minutes .. There you go .. Now show me why that pre-workout shake is useless ...

+ Okay so one gallon a day should be sufficient.

[TheSperminator Member of the Month Oct 12 Find all posts View Profile Close TheSperminator]

+ Bolkonsky => even at ifbb.com they show you a hall of fame ... For fuck sake, stop being a troll ... It's not because you're "a big dude" that ranked 3th at a national bodybuilding championship that makes you know everything and anything ... Seriously bro, if you got something to see back it up with some evidence, you sound like one of those dudes that just listens to "those big guys" on roids who think they got big just from using BCAA's instead of a whey protein shake ... Neglecting the roids and everything ...

Taking steroids is in almost every sport cheating ... Except in bodybuilding because this is a way of maximizing the potential of a human body ... So fuck off with that "everybody takes them bullshit" ... GIVE SOME EVIDENCE, A SCIENTIFIC SOURCE OR WHATEVER, JUST SOMETHING ... Internet hero.

And don't tell me to "slow my roll". This is like the third time I ask you to give me some decent sources on the things you say.