11 Hard Flaccid Full Recovery Cases..

[HFrecovering Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HFrecovering]

"I used to be like you"

lol. bro i haven't been on this site in months. I don't sit on forums speculating about anything. I don't pay attention to my condition. It's a waste of energy for me when my energy could go into much more important things right now.

That's cool to know that you recovered fully at one point tho. I've gone through stages of my HF going away for the most part but never 4 months. My erections have never been as good as they were in the past either. They get pretty damn good and certainly good enough but since i got HF my girth has never been as good. It varies depending on how prevalent the HF is but never been at 100% since onset. Are you saying your erections were normal too?

I had a feeling it would be read as me going into a frenzy/getting angry and used to support the argument lol. If you were to speak to me over voice you'd know I'm completely calm/rational. My main issue with people forcing a narrative about the condition is it halts progress because the reality is we do not know. I think it needs to be spoken about differently. There's a difference between "we think this could help you" and "this is the answer". We don't have the answer or even close to enough evidence to suggest we do. That's my issue. I guess it provides hope to say that we do but we just don't.

When I said " I used to be just like you" I meant in the sense of not willing to even consider it could be somthing other than some kind of permanent mysterious injury.

With hf my erections are only 60% of what they should be, I alternate between having HF and this other new phenomenon know as "large flaccid". It's all just pelvic floor muscles being in a constantly tense state.

Having hard flaccid is a very normal thing for every man, for example after intense exercise every man will have HF for a brief period of time due to adrenaline and the nervous system kicking in but once the body settles down it goes away, however our nervous systems have locked up. It really is that simple. It doesn't matter if you got HF from drugs, PE, or anxiety. It's all the same shit being kept alive by a feedback loop.


When people who had healed tried to convince me it's a nervous system tension disorder I used to say things similar to you like :

" I barely think about "

"It doesn't even bother me"

" I've been feeling fine lately and relaxed and it still hasn't gone away"

" I've done loads of meditating, eating right and positive thinking and I still have it so it must be physical "

HF is always on our minds, especially in the subconscious, it is an extremely traumatic thing to go through. We feel it even when we are not thinking about it and the longer we have it the more it becomes reinforced. When I was completely healed for 4 months with 100% return of sexual function I literally stopped thinking about it completely, it was not even on my sunconscious, I was the most relaxed I had been in years and my mind was constantly occupied.


You have to understand dude this whole condition is just one massive case of hysteria, some people on here spend years of their life coming on this forum daily and talking about penis fractures and burst veins, I even saw a post yesterday on here where a few of them are in the process of buying human growth hormone to inject themselves with because they have somhow come to the conclusion it will help LOL. A lot of people have been on here with hf for so many years that their mental health has been severely compromised.

[Sahara Member Find all posts View Profile Close Sahara]

When I said " I used to be just like you" I meant in the sense of not willing to even consider it could be somthing other than some kind of permanent mysterious injury.

With hf my erections are only 60% of what they should be, I alternate between having HF and this other new phenomenon know as "large flaccid". It's all just pelvic floor muscles being in a constantly tense state.

Having hard flaccid is a very normal thing for every man, for example after intense exercise every man will have HF for a brief period of time due to adrenaline and the nervous system kicking in but once the body settles down it goes away, however our nervous systems have locked up. It really is that simple. It doesn't matter if you got HF from drugs, PE, or anxiety. It's all the same shit being kept alive by a feedback loop.


When people who had healed tried to convince me it's a nervous system tension disorder I used to say things similar to you like :

" I barely think about "

"It doesn't even bother me"

" I've been feeling fine lately and relaxed and it still hasn't gone away"

" I've done loads of meditating, eating right and positive thinking and I still have it so it must be physical "

HF is always on our minds, especially in the subconscious, it is an extremely traumatic thing to go through. We feel it even when we are not thinking about it and the longer we have it the more it becomes reinforced. When I was completely healed for 4 months with 100% return of sexual function I literally stopped thinking about it completely, it was not even on my sunconscious, I was the most relaxed I had been in years and my mind was constantly occupied.


You have to understand dude this whole condition is just one massive case of hysteria, some people on here spend years of their life coming on this forum daily and talking about penis fractures and burst veins, I even saw a post yesterday on here where a few of them are in the process of buying human growth hormone to inject themselves with because they have somhow come to the conclusion it will help LOL. A lot of people have been on here with hf for so many years that their mental health has been severely compromised.

I'm absolutely open to it being more than a "mysterious permanent injury". I don't know what it is. I'd be the first to admit it. I think the most likely causes are pelvic floor issues and/or mental issues. However, I don't know which is more important. I also don't know if either is essential to healing. It could be something medical science isn't picking up on. That's equally as likely.

My point is simply that we don't know and shouldn't make assumptions based on near enough no evidence. There are anecdotal stories that will lead you in several different directions (PF, mental, overall muscle tension, ligament injuries, tons of other shit lol). These stories are also heavily influenced by what is preached on this website. I'm not trying to tell you anything is the truth. That would be ignorant. But that is the point I'm trying to get across.

I definitely agree that there are people on here who are taking it waaay too far and trying to tell you it's a tear in a certain part of the penis or whatever else. But they're not wildly different to the people who will tell you that it's PF related.

PF therapists have helped basically nobody with HF. LOL. So I guess we're going the route of saying we all know more than PF therapists? To be so sure of something being the cure.. or even somewhat adamant... There needs to be sufficient evidence. There isn't. It's that simple man. I'm saying this because I care about the future of dealing with this issue (which is obviously selfishly motivated too).

What I do agree with is that it's often in your subconscious even if you're not thinking about it. That's definitely true. However, it doesn't mean it's the cause of the issue. Maybe it is. But you have to be aware that it's a theory with not much behind it at all. It very well could be the answer for you but even then... maybe not everyone else. It has more behind it than a torn bucks fascia or whatever the fuck else... I'll give you that lol.

That's what I'm going for at the moment though. Just getting my life in good order in several other ways. Working on feeling/doing better in general. Not for the sake of my dick. For the sake of me lol.

But when the condition went away for those 4 months for you... are you saying your erections were the same as before the onset of HF?

It's cool to talk to someone rational about this tho. I can def see you are.

[HFrecovering Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HFrecovering]

I'm absolutely open to it being more than a "mysterious permanent injury". I don't know what it is. I'd be the first to admit it. I think the most likely causes are pelvic floor issues and/or mental issues. However, I don't know which is more important. I also don't know if either is essential to healing. It could be something medical science isn't picking up on. That's equally as likely.

My point is simply that we don't know and shouldn't make assumptions based on near enough no evidence. There are anecdotal stories that will lead you in several different directions (PF, mental, overall muscle tension, ligament injuries, tons of other shit lol). These stories are also heavily influenced by what is preached on this website. I'm not trying to tell you anything is the truth. That would be ignorant. But that is the point I'm trying to get across.

I definitely agree that there are people on here who are taking it waaay too far and trying to tell you it's a tear in a certain part of the penis or whatever else. But they're not wildly different to the people who will tell you that it's PF related.

PF therapists have helped basically nobody with HF. LOL. So I guess we're going the route of saying we all know more than PF therapists? To be so sure of something being the cure.. or even somewhat adamant... There needs to be sufficient evidence. There isn't. It's that simple man. I'm saying this because I care about the future of dealing with this issue (which is obviously selfishly motivated too).

What I do agree with is that it's often in your subconscious even if you're not thinking about it. That's definitely true. However, it doesn't mean it's the cause of the issue. Maybe it is. But you have to be aware that it's a theory with not much behind it at all. It very well could be the answer for you but even then... maybe not everyone else. It has more behind it than a torn bucks fascia or whatever the fuck else... I'll give you that lol.

That's what I'm going for at the moment though. Just getting my life in good order in several other ways. Working on feeling/doing better in general. Not for the sake of my dick. For the sake of me lol.

But when the condition went away for those 4 months for you... are you saying your erections were the same as before the onset of HF?

It's cool to talk to someone rational about this tho. I can def see you are.

The bottom line is dude everyone who has beat this says its a mental issue, they had to completely reintegrate themselves back into how they used to be before HF, they had to stop thinking about it and get it off their subconscious. I just looked on the 2nd page of this sub forum and somone recently also beat it by just moving on and becoming normal in their life again ( easier said than done)

I'm aware there are a couple of people who healed by sticking some kind of wand up there ass to release tension in the pelvic floor but the majority of people who have tried that and had some relief just ended up tensing up again, it's only when they relaxed there nervous system that they got better.

I recommend TRE ( trauma release exercises) to relax the nervous system, I've started doing TRE again recently. several people have healed by doing them once or twice a week aswell as reintegration back into normal life as it was before HF.

Look at jaw clenching ( bruxism ) it is exactly the same process as HF, it is a subconcious involuntary clenching of the jaw muscles. Hf is a involuntary subconscious clenching of the pelvic floor muscles

Yes during those 4 months my erections were completely back to normal.

[Sahara Member Find all posts View Profile Close Sahara]

that's dope that they were completely normal. mine have been close but not quite. was def happy with them tho lol

the bottom line is not that everyone who has healed attributed it to mental issues. That's straight up false information bro. there are many who have attributed it to wands... Hindi squats... swimming... random physical exercise.... all kinds of things. I've read tons of stories. Not just the ones in this thread. I'd also like to add that anyone who healed within like 3 months isn't the best example imo. It should still be looked at but if you recovered that fast I think there's a good chance your body did it on its own (could be wrong tho).

You can argue that a good portion of them just attributed it to what they were doing at the time. You can also argue that some people's body's just healed and because they weren't doing any routine physical exercise... they attributed it to mental issues. There is no consistency in the cases of people healing. People have attributed it to many different things.... and a lot of them were most likely wrong in what they attributed it to. Some people have said vitamins healed them. There's all kinds of things out there that people say helped/cured it.

TRE is another thing. But again... there have been more failures with TRE than success stories. No treatment has been even close to consistent. That's just the reality in the data. Like, you don't have to look very closely or do much research to come to this conclusion (and I did a hell of a lot in the past).

I'm not saying the theory of mental issues isn't very plausible... There's just not close to sufficient proof. Not nearly enough to be adamant about mental issues being the sole cause or resolution.

I wish you luck in your recovery though. I have good intentions in what I'm saying. I just think it's very important for everyone to remain open-minded.

[Sahara Member Find all posts View Profile Close Sahara]

I'm not trying to say it's all down to waiting for the body to heal either. My point is that if we're being reasonable people who go by evidence... We do not know. lol. Anyway, i'll leave it at that as there's no benefit to going round in circles.

Honestly tho you sound like you have a good mindset for recovery. Good luck.

EDIT: Random thought... not trying to be argumentative. If the condition is so heavily related to mental issues... why is it that HF symptoms are worse for most people just after they wake up (general morning/afternoon time)?

[HFrecovering Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HFrecovering]

that's dope that they were completely normal. mine have been close but not quite. was def happy with them tho lol

the bottom line is not that everyone who has healed attributed it to mental issues. That's straight up false information bro. there are many who have attributed it to wands... Hindi squats... swimming... random physical exercise.... all kinds of things. I've read tons of stories. Not just the ones in this thread. I'd also like to add that anyone who healed within like 3 months isn't the best example imo. It should still be looked at but if you recovered that fast I think there's a good chance your body did it on its own (could be wrong tho).

You can argue that a good portion of them just attributed it to what they were doing at the time. You can also argue that some people's body's just healed and because they weren't doing any routine physical exercise... they attributed it to mental issues. There is no consistency in the cases of people healing. People have attributed it to many different things.... and a lot of them were most likely wrong in what they attributed it to. Some people have said vitamins healed them. There's all kinds of things out there that people say helped/cured it.

TRE is another thing. But again... there have been more failures with TRE than success stories. No treatment has been even close to consistent. That's just the reality in the data. Like, you don't have to look very closely or do much research to come to this conclusion (and I did a hell of a lot in the past).

I'm not saying the theory of mental issues isn't very plausible... There's just not close to sufficient proof. Not nearly enough to be adamant about mental issues being the sole cause or resolution.

I wish you luck in your recovery though. I have good intentions in what I'm saying. I just think it's very important for everyone to remain open-minded.

I know the exact case you are talking about that was attributed to swimming, the guy used to be on the hard flaccid forum and ive got inbox messages from him on PEGYM, he basically changed his story slightly and said swimming and going out socialising again allowed him to take his mind off of HF and he feels that is what allowed him to get better,

I've also read several of these hindi squats and stretch protocols etc on here and in the posts they all say the mental side of it was very important and describe themselves as previoisly being in a catastrophic state mentally.


And yes there of course have been more failures with TRE than sucessful stories because people are almost 100% guaranteed doing TRE several times a week, checking their penis and coming on the PEgym daily to discuss hf while constantly having it in the back of their mind constantly.

There is no direct cure so to speak, things like meditation, yoga or TRE can be used as stepping stones to calm your nervous system while reintegrating back into how life was before HF. ( that's the best way I can think ofdescribing it )

There was also a guy who beat HF by water fasting lol so everyone on the forums tried water fasting for up to a month.

If people keep trying to aggressively beat HF and making it their life to get better then all they are doing is preventing themselves getting better. It's really that simple. I'm a hypocrit though because I'm still on here posting when I basically left again 3 weeks ago however the only reason I'm back again is because a random guy is in full on mental meltdown panic about hf and keeps messaging me so I'm doing my best to awnser any questions.


The whole HF thing has been discussed on various forums for over 10 years now, You can look and hope all you want for somone to have some kind of game changing information but it's not going to happen. All the info you need to know is out there. If you haven't read obitoos book then buy it.

If it sounds like I'm being argumentative or smug with you please don't take it that way because I'm not. I have no agenda here. I'm basing everything I'm saying on talking to at least close to 30 people who have healed.

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I know the exact case you are talking about that was attributed to swimming, the guy used to be on the hard flaccid forum and ive got inbox messages from him on PEGYM, he basically changed his story slightly and said swimming and going out socialising again allowed him to take his mind off of HF and he feels that is what allowed him to get better,

I've also read several of these hindi squats and stretch protocols etc on here and in the posts they all say the mental side of it was very important and describe themselves as previoisly being in a catastrophic state mentally.


And yes there of course have been more failures with TRE than sucessful stories because people are almost 100% guaranteed doing TRE several times a week, checking their penis and coming on the PEgym daily to discuss hf while constantly having it in the back of their mind constantly.

There is no direct cure so to speak, things like meditation, yoga or TRE can be used as stepping stones to calm your nervous system while reintegrating back into how life was before HF. ( that's the best way I can think ofdescribing it )

There was also a guy who beat HF by water fasting lol so everyone on the forums tried water fasting for up to a month.

If people keep trying to aggressively beat HF and making it their life to get better then all they are doing is preventing themselves getting better. It's really that simple. I'm a hypocrit though because I'm still on here posting when I basically left again 3 weeks ago however the only reason I'm back again is because a random guy is in full on mental meltdown panic about hf and keeps messaging me so I'm doing my best to awnser any questions.


The whole HF thing has been discussed on various forums for over 10 years now, You can look and hope all you want for somone to have some kind of game changing information but it's not going to happen. All the info you need to know is out there. If you haven't read obitoos book then buy it.

If it sounds like I'm being argumentative or smug with you please don't take it that way because I'm not. I have no agenda here. I'm basing everything I'm saying on talking to at least close to 30 people who have healed.

hm... noted my guy. I trust what you're saying tbh. I can tell you have researched and also obviously have the experience. I got about 1/4 of the way through his book but will get back to it at some point. It was good. Idk about him emailing with hundreds of men who have healed tho lol. Like you couldn't provide the evidence?

tbh you're convincing lol and I think this is the most likely scenario. I definitely do. It's why I've just been living life and not trying any kind of stretches or anything. It's too stressful. I'm finding that I'm forgetting about the HF issues more and more as time goes on. However, it's still definitely in my subconscious a lot of the time. I know because I sometimes just connect that it's in the back of my mind. Like something will trigger it to come to consciousness (difficult to explain). I also can't pee when in public sometimes but can't actually feel any tension or anything. That in itself shows the power of the mind over the body.

All this said.. I've also heard of people who are doing better in life but still not fully healed. I do wonder if for some it needs to be addressed physically as well to reach full recovery.

As I said earlier... there are also many who attribute it to doing better mentally but they're naturally going to feel better mentally once recovering/recovered. I've also struggled with depression since a young kid. Dick worked great then tho lol. I'm not saying that rules out mental issues... Just saying. There's just not enough evidence for me to come to a conclusion either way. I respect your opinion though and I hope it doesn't come off like I'm writing it off because if there was a gun to my head.... i'd say mental shit was the main factor. isn't a gun to my head tho lol.

Here's a question... of those 30 people... How many healed within like a month? I know it's totally possible they were just better at getting on with life but I'm just curious. Because I really wonder how relevant the cases are where people healed quickly.

"The whole HF thing has been discussed on various forums for over 10 years now, You can look and hope all you want for somone to have some kind of game changing information but it's not going to happen. All the info you need to know is out there."

that really would be something if it turns out it's really this simple for everyone lol. We will see. You're definitely the most convincing person I've spoken to with theories though.

EDIT: one other thing... viagra doesn't work for me. Idk if that's indicative of anything or if you've seen others who it doesn't work for with HF issues but i've always found that weird. What I will say is I tried some other off brand sex pill (similar to viagra) before HF was bad enough to really care about. Before my erections were just kinda weakish. In fact, I didn't have HF at all. If I did... I didn't notice. And it didn't work either then. So that was pre-HF. My erection quality wasn't great but it wasn't that bad either.

So yh dunno if those pills just don't work on me or if that is indicative of any kind of physical injury at all? Never felt any pain in my penis at any point tho so pretty sure I haven't injured anything tbh

[HFrecovering Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HFrecovering]

hm... noted my guy. I trust what you're saying tbh. I can tell you have researched and also obviously have the experience. I got about 1/4 of the way through his book but will get back to it at some point. It was good. Idk about him emailing with hundreds of men who have healed tho lol. Like you couldn't provide the evidence?

tbh you're convincing lol and I think this is the most likely scenario. I definitely do. It's why I've just been living life and not trying any kind of stretches or anything. It's too stressful. I'm finding that I'm forgetting about the HF issues more and more as time goes on. However, it's still definitely in my subconscious a lot of the time. I know because I sometimes just connect that it's in the back of my mind. Like something will trigger it to come to consciousness (difficult to explain). I also can't pee when in public sometimes but can't actually feel any tension or anything. That in itself shows the power of the mind over the body.

All this said.. I've also heard of people who are doing better in life but still not fully healed. I do wonder if for some it needs to be addressed physically as well to reach full recovery.

As I said earlier... there are also many who attribute it to doing better mentally but they're naturally going to feel better mentally once recovering/recovered. I've also struggled with depression since a young kid. Dick worked great then tho lol. I'm not saying that rules out mental issues... Just saying. There's just not enough evidence for me to come to a conclusion either way. I respect your opinion though and I hope it doesn't come off like I'm writing it off because if there was a gun to my head.... i'd say mental shit was the main factor. isn't a gun to my head tho lol.

Here's a question... of those 30 people... How many healed within like a month? I know it's totally possible they were just better at getting on with life but I'm just curious. Because I really wonder how relevant the cases are where people healed quickly.

"The whole HF thing has been discussed on various forums for over 10 years now, You can look and hope all you want for somone to have some kind of game changing information but it's not going to happen. All the info you need to know is out there."

that really would be something if it turns out it's really this simple for everyone lol. We will see. You're definitely the most convincing person I've spoken to with theories though.

EDIT: one other thing... viagra doesn't work for me. Idk if that's indicative of anything or if you've seen others who it doesn't work for with HF issues but i've always found that weird. What I will say is I tried some other off brand sex pill (similar to viagra) before HF was bad enough to really care about. Before my erections were just kinda weakish. In fact, I didn't have HF at all. If I did... I didn't notice. And it didn't work either then. So that was pre-HF. My erection quality wasn't great but it wasn't that bad either.

So yh dunno if those pills just don't work on me or if that is indicative of any kind of physical injury at all? Never felt any pain in my penis at any point tho so pretty sure I haven't injured anything tbh

Well with obitoo I know he carried on working with a lot of people from the forum when he shut it down and I remember he actually did some meet ups. So it's entirely possible he has helped that many people. I spoke to stevie and voodoo back in 2015 and they were still in email contact with him, apparently he had recently told them that TRE was helping a lot of people and it was preferable to meditation. Personally I think obitoo is a prick but he is literally the world expert on HF. No one is more knowledgeable than him and to be honest that's not exactly an achievement lol its just fucking pelvic floor tension.



It's hard to say how many healed within a month, I'm not sure that's the way to look at it, I think if somone has had hf for a month or two and they somhow snap out of the stress and panic and forget about it then they seem to get better very quickly. If somones had hf for years then this isn't going to be a quick fix, there's a lot of reinforced anxiety and tension. I know that voodoo had hf for over 10 years but once he started sorting himself out mentally he was better within 3 or 4 months.


No one Wakes up one day and all of a sudden the hf is gone, it just kind of seems like a gradual process where the tension becomes less and less, with my experience in the weeks before I realised it had gone away I remember several times feeling my pelvic floor release and tense back up, I didn't think much of it at the time. I now realise this was the tension losing its power.


Viagra worked okay for me when I first got hard flaccid but as time went on it stopped being effective. I put this down to increased tension.

The key here is to just not give a fuck. Stop fighting it. Stop trying to do things to make it better. Stop researching it. Stop obsessing on it. Just let it go. ( much easier said than done lol )


Yeah read all of obitoos book dude.

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I actually spoke to Voodoo recently and he said he hasn't been 'cured' but HF is basically gone. He said his erections are still not what they were prior to HF and are apparently 'loose' at the base but yeah. He said he has a healthy sex life with his GF and has sex 3-4 times a week. Idk what he means by 'loose' at the base but yeah. For me... my girth isn't as thick as it should be at the base but it's not that bad. Like, I can get hard.

Hopefully this shit goes for good tho. Or more or less at least.

I wonder how many people have actually recovered fully. Are you saying to the best of your knowledge you were as normal as you were pre-HF?

I agree that letting go is very important. I'm almost there.

Damn would of been good to speak to voodoo. Did he come back on the PEgym for long or did he just stop by to awnser a few messages?

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I have to agree with @HFrecovering. I'm also a longtime HF "sufferer" coming from the HF board. I've already tried so many physical things (stretching, exercises, massaging, etc) to get rid off HF and I always make progress when I begin something new...until the progress stops again.

So why can this be? The answer is pretty simple. At the beginning you are very positive that you have found the solution to HF and so you are getting better just by being positive in your mind. When you believe in some physical exercise it will help you mentally and not physically.

There will be some benefit by doing exercises but it is only very small compared to the mental part.

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Just a point here .

Any mental problem tends to be difficult to fix and have a high failure rate for any treatment.

I do not consider myself a hf expert because i consider it a largely mental issue and my area is the physical side of the pelvic floor etc.

Here is my 2 cents . In our society numerous factors combine to give us a tendancy to tense pelvic floor . Our society also and relatedly has a tendancy to stress /anxiety.
It can easy happen that a guy has a physical cause like doing too many kegels ,a drug binge or unacccostomed physical exertion which triggers his already tense pelvic floor into spasm/excessive ttension . Depending on location/degree this can have a range of effects ,toilet issues ,pain, pre e ,ed and hf. Or sometimes just stress can do it . In any of these cases stressing over the injury induces more tension in the pf and is counterproductive . However hf seems to be the king of the stress related pf issues . It more than any other is mental/stress/anxiety based .
At the physical level this is a pelvic floor spasm and i do believe pelvic floor works aids it . However no permenant solution will be found without the mental side because you will just tense back up . In hf more than any other the tension is mentally produced .

So my view is work on the physical side because that will help in both the direct sense and through doing something positive helping the mental side but it must be combined with geting your head straight . At times straight mental work will resukt in less tension being formed and a relax of the pelvic floor but i reallly don't see the downside of physically relaxing it also .

[HFrecovering Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HFrecovering]

Just a point here .

Any mental problem tends to be difficult to fix and have a high failure rate for any treatment.

I do not consider myself a hf expert because i consider it a largely mental issue and my area is the physical side of the pelvic floor etc.

Here is my 2 cents . In our society numerous factors combine to give us a tendancy to tense pelvic floor . Our society also and relatedly has a tendancy to stress /anxiety.
It can easy happen that a guy has a physical cause like doing too many kegels ,a drug binge or unacccostomed physical exertion which triggers his already tense pelvic floor into spasm/excessive ttension . Depending on location/degree this can have a range of effects ,toilet issues ,pain, pre e ,ed and hf. Or sometimes just stress can do it . In any of these cases stressing over the injury induces more tension in the pf and is counterproductive . However hf seems to be the king of the stress related pf issues . It more than any other is mental/stress/anxiety based .
At the physical level this is a pelvic floor spasm and i do believe pelvic floor works aids it . However no permenant solution will be found without the mental side because you will just tense back up . In hf more than any other the tension is mentally produced .

So my view is work on the physical side because that will help in both the direct sense and through doing something positive helping the mental side but it must be combined with geting your head straight . At times straight mental work will resukt in less tension being formed and a relax of the pelvic floor but i reallly don't see the downside of physically relaxing it also .

I agree with everything that you've said 100%

I will add though that when somone has had hf for years and years it's a whole different ball game in terms of getting the mind right, the amount of trauma , obsession and misery that has been going on cannot easily be undone. A lot of people go on to develop secondary issues like severe anxiety, digestive issues, isolation , loss of interest in socialising. Personally i went on to develop a severe cases of bruxism. I really wish some of the long term people would had healed would of stuck around. Is there any way PEGYM could get in contact with some of them?

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Not unless they have left contact info in which case anyone can contact them.

[HFrecovering Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HFrecovering]

Not unless they have left contact info in which case anyone can contact them.

Well i assume that mods are able to see people's email adress that are tied to their account.

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I really wish some of the long term people would had healed would of stuck around. Is there any way PEGYM could get in contact with some of them?

Sup bro