Overcoming Peyronie's, PremE, and HOCD (9 year battle)

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I guess these words of advice aren't what people want to hear LOL. Everybody wants a quick fix that doesn't exist. Quite honestly, what I've stated above is your best bet for the "quickest fix" possible...at least from what I've experienced thus far over the past 9 years.

Anybody out there?

Just curious for some feedback from others going through troubles.

Voodoo

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UPDATE:

I swear, because of the results I'm seeing, I believe I will be able to heal completely within the next year or less. And by completely, I mean: reverse the curvature, reverse all pelvic floor problems and symptoms such as PremE, reverse all anxiety and OCD related mental problems.

I truly can see myself being not only capable sexually, but very confident and comfortable with that part of my life. I just have this very deep belief in all the methods I am incorporating in my lifestyle and as I see more and more progress, it is confirming this faith to be based in reality.

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UPDATE:

I'm going to post a few things below that I've written up on some other threads because they explain a lot about what I've been doing for the past month.

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This is in regard to my diet and habits I've formed around my food and drink intake. It's all in an attempt to optimize my body's healing potential through being very efficient with how energy is spent. Basically, if less energy is spent on digestion, then there is more energy available for healing. You can find the original post here.

Okay, I'm going to answer some questions here, but to save time and space, I'm not going into all the research as to why this is my routine. I will try to compile this on my own thread. I realize some of these things may sound ridiculous but there are many reasons I believe this is all contributing to my healing.

Yes tell me the diet.

DAILY DETOX:

-Fast every single night for 12 hours. So if your last bite of food is at 8pm, don't eat anything else until 8am (except water of course).
-Start every morning with about 8oz warm water, fresh squeezed organic lemon juice (almost half a lemon for 8oz water), and some organic cayenne pepper. This will not be fun to drink at first but you grow used to it (I call it the "devil drink"). I recommend drinking through a straw to spare your teeth the acidity of the lemon juice.

DIGESTION HABITS:

-Don't drink fluids with meals. Get water in your system either 20 minutes before you eat or an hour after you eat.
-If you are hydrating properly between meals you shouldn't be thirsty as you eat. Make sure to chew your food thoroughly (most people don't) as this will help with saliva production which is a crucial part of the digestion process.

PERSONAL DAILY DIET EXAMPLES:

Breakfast (all organic when possible):

1.) Ezekiel Cereal (any of the 4 kinds) mixed with raisins, Nutiva Coconut Manna, organic cinnamon, and Organic Eden Soymilk (or any soy milk that is only two ingredients: organic soybeans and water). Plus a piece of organic fruit (for me this is usually either a pear, pomegranate seeds, grapefruit, kiwi, orange, or mango but I try to change it up). I'll often have a piece of Ezekiel Cinnamon Raisin toast as well (no butter for me).

2.) Organic Whole Grain Oats (any type of "cut", rolled is fine too) with fresh organic ginger root, organic cinnamon, organic canned pumpkin (optional but really good!). Plus a piece of organic fruit like I said above and sometimes a piece of toast.

Lunch/Dinner (all organic when possible):

1.) Veggie Burger ("Organic Sunshine Burgers" are the only ones at my store that are worth eating...just make sure the ingredients are all whole foods with no additives) on Ezekiel Bread (any kind) with thin sliced jalapenos and tomatoes, either alfalfa sprouts (or another kind) or greens like spinach/kale/etc, and some organic mustard. As a side I'll either make sweet potato hash browns (light on the olive oil to cook) with ginger, an organic soup (most of the Amy's soups are good, just avoid those with evaporated cane juice), organic chips and salsa, organic beans, homemade hummus with carrots, or a salad.

2.) Stir Fry (great for having leftovers for days) using either quinoa or brown rice plus a mix of at least 3 or 4 veggies and maybe some beans on the side (broccoli, carrots, any color bell pepper, jalapeno, mushrooms, corn, peas, asparagus, squash, zucchini, etc.). You can add organic spices to up the flavor profile but often the veggies and grains are great on their own. DON'T OVERCOOK! Try to get used to eating your veggies closer and closer to raw. The less you cook them, the more nutrients are left for your body. Also, for leftovers, DON'T USE A MICROWAVE! They destroy the cell structures of anything and everything that goes in them and leaves you with nutrition-less food.

3.) Ezekiel Pasta with Organic Strained Tomatoes (you can add olive oil, garlic, sea salt, and basil to create the sauce...recipe is on the jar!) plus organic vegetables (of course!).

DAILY SMOOTHIE (all organic when possible):

I drink mine between breakfast and lunch but you could do it between lunch and dinner if you prefer or even as a breakfast meal replacement if you're strapped for time. In that case I'd recommend eating some kind of healthy grain with it, whether it's toast, cereal, or oatmeal.

Also, I own a "magic bullet" style blender which makes this super easy to do. I would recommend purchasing one if you can. Here is my refined recipe as of today...it was absolutely delicious!

-handful of frozen mixed berries (blueberry, blackberry, raspberry), two frozen strawberries, two frozen pineapple chunks, a small handful of mango pieces, a packed handful of any kind of super green (kale, baby spinach, chard, etc. a mixture is fine too obviously), one whole fresh banana, 1/2 - 3/4 tbsp of shelled hemp seeds, 1 tbsp dried goji berries, 1 heaping tbsp Pure Synergy Powder, then pour half full of soymilk and half full of alkaline water (or regular purified water if you can't find alkaline water near you).

These smoothies are freakin' delicious! Seriously it's like the nectar of the gods! haha.. And it will definitely give you more energy (plus it's long lasting) than any cup of coffee or energy drink.

SNACKS (all organic when possible):

-black mission figs, 100% raw cocoa beans or nibs (eat 6-8 beans per day preferably throughout the day...highest antioxidant food on earth plus is great for mood and libido...great in smoothies too), dry roasted edamame, soy nuts, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, "Go Raw" cookies/snaps/bars are great for the sweet tooth (the carrot cake cookies are amazing! Anything that company makes is super healthy too.), goji berries, and obviously any fruit or vegetable. I find that having hummus around is great for eating raw veggies as snacks.

DRINKS:

-Try to drink the purest water you can. I recommend this water filter (my parents just got one though I still just use the water filter in my fridge).
-Try to locate somewhere in your area that sells "alkaline water" as this is great to add to smoothies, the morning "devil drinks", or just to have around for regular drinking times. It helps hydrate cells quicker and balances the acidity in your diet which makes it a great addition to an "anti-inflammatory diet."
-Organic Green Tea (Numi Tea's are fantastic) with local honey (this helps with my seasonal allergies) and lemon.

SUPPLEMENT:

-Organic Vita-Min-Herb for Men (I've worked my way up to taking 3 in the morning with breakfast and 3 in the afternoon). Since they are made with only whole food ingredients, you can take them with or without food.

-Pure Synergy Powder (in the daily smoothie as stated above)

You can buy these two products together which saves you a bit of money. I seriously recommend reading about this company and the story of Mitchell May. It's extremely inspirational to anyone in search of healing (of any kind).

SO, that's what my daily diet has slowly become. Maybe now you guys realize why I'm experiencing so many healing effects from my diet ..Organic vegetables, organic fruits, and organic whole grains (live sprouted grains like in Ezekiel products are the most nutritious). I don't eat dairy at this point because I find it depletes my energy and also I'm a bit intolerant to it most of the time (bloating, headaches, etc). I also currently eat no meat. I'm technically vegan which I didn't even realize until a few days ago lol.

I currently have more energy than I've ever had on a day to day basis. It's a very clean feeling I'm experiencing and it's bringing much relaxation and on many levels (physically and mentally).

I only gave you a few very basic examples of meal options. That's just what I've been operating on because I haven't learned a ton of fancy recipes yet. When I first started doing this I was just cutting up a bunch of veggies, making rice, and putting it all together. Honestly, that's still what I do half the time. I eat with the mindset of, "this is going to heal me and therefore I am going to eat it." I don't eat with the mindset of, "ooohh I really want that cheeseburger so I'm going to eat it." I had to learn to accept "function over indulgence" even though my taste buds were whining. But now I'm finding my taste buds are quite literally transforming to enjoy a wide variety of subtle flavors from these three food groups. There are actually limitless possibilities within this diet. You just have to do some research and withstand the "resistance period" which will likely last for 1-3 months. Just stay dedicated and you will turn your world upside down. I feel fantastic guys. Seriously, I can't say that enough.

Also tell me what you ate before starting the diet.

Hmmm... well it's definitely gone through some stages of transition. The last thing to go from my diet was eggs (free range vegetarian hens). I love a good omelet and will still treat myself to one every now and then. I also love seafood like shrimp, salmon, and tuna but have decided to hold back due to all the pollution happening in our oceans (gulf oil, fukushima, etc.). Even before that though and for most of my life I was a meat eater (though I would usually get by at breakfast with just cereal and milk or something light like that). "If it didn't have meat it wasn't a meal." That was my mentality even as recent as the beginning of this year. I didn't start eating more vegetarian until about July/August of this year. I didn't reach my "super diet" until about a month ago.

Basically I used to eat within the range of the Standard American Diet (SAD). Cheeseburgers, pizzas, pastas, steak dinners, fried fish and chips, chicken, deli meats, southern style veggies (aka not healthy anymore), salads sometimes, deserts like cookies and muffins, and on and on. I can go into detail but it's really not necessary. I wasn't a terrible eater by most people's standards. I was a "healthy american" and never had weight problems. I ate veggies, fruits, and "whole" grains (what I thought to be "whole" grains lol) but not so religiously and usually not in their most natural form (uncooked or slightly cooked). I wouldn't have considered them my primary food groups by any means. As you know, the American diet can take something perfectly healthy and completely destroy the nutritional value of the food just in how it is processed/prepared/cooked. We cherish the indulgent flavors of American food over our own health. Not to mention, we have all kinds of myths in our culture that perpetuate our diets as "healthy".

I know diets work well, but if there's also a physical problem ie tense pelvic floor, its not going to cure it much faster. You will need relaxation of the tense muscles

This is not true. Your diet is the cornerstone for your healing. You can do all the physical therapy you want but if your diet is poor, the healing is likely not going to take place and/or it will hit a threshold. To pass the threshold and see a full recovery your body needs nutrients that it's not getting on a daily basis. This is not to belittle physical therapy. It is also crucial. It's the synergistic effects of combining diet, yoga, and meditation that will heal you back to your highest natural state (with time). I truly believe that diet is the first place to start though if you have not yet seriously taken it into consideration.

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This is in regard to my discovery of the "mind-penis link," why it is important to strengthen this connection, and methods of how to do so. This excerpt is a continuation of the same quote that I pasted above. I also posted some things on this thread where I first realized the importance of this "mind-penis link" in my daily routine.

Are you still on the no porn/no fap routine?

Well, yes and no. Let me explain. I am still holding out on ejaculating until early January to complete my full 90 days (since I failed the first time). However, after reading this thread I realized I needed to work on my "mind-penis link" as he calls it. It made a lot of sense as to why I was actually experiencing a decreased libido with continued abstinence. At first your libido rises, then (for many guys and myself) it often begins to fall away the further into the abstinence period you get.

So, I've made it a conscious practice now to visualize sexual fantasies a 1-3 times per day. I usually do this in the morning and at night when I'm in bed. At first, believe it or not, it was actually difficult to stay focused. There would be little to no arousal and it would take too long (no touching by the way). But now, after doing this daily for a couple of weeks I'm finding it possible (for the first time in YEARS) to achieve a pretty strong erection from mental fantasizing only (no touching). This is helping me overcome my mental anxieties around sex which is helping me feel truly excited about sex again. I honestly can't remember the last time I was deeply excited to have sex. There's always been the underlying anxiety in the background regarding my mental issues, my physical injury, and the many symptoms of that feedback loop. I honestly can't believe I even managed to have sex at all under these conditions, as shitty as it may have been.

So, I'd highly recommend practicing visualizing fantasies. See where you're at with that. I will look at pictures on the internet sometimes (soft porn, sometimes not even naked or only partially) just to get my thoughts going but will close my eyes majority of the time. Now when I'm out in public I'm starting to experience more often what it felt like to be a teenager again. I see a sexy gal walk past and not only do I "think" she's attractive but I actually "feel" the attraction. It's nice to be in this natural/healthy state again.

I know this was SUPER long...but I wanted to be thorough. Hope it helps.

Voodoo

And here is my comment to TennisBalls from that thread I mentioned above.

I gotta agree with Raccoon Man, your post about the Mind-Penis link makes a lot of sense to me TennisBalls. It's actually something I've contemplated here and there regarding my issues, which are a little bit different but have overlapping characteristics.

Tonight while driving home I tried visualizing a girl I'd just seen at the bar and like you said (and as I've realized myself) it wasn't necessarily easy or natural but honestly it didn't take long to sort of get going with the visualization and boom I started getting blood flow. This is the missing link in my own healing. I've gotten so much healthier through diet and yoga and I've found much control and awareness over my mental problems through meditation and cognitive behavioral therapy...and now I am finally ready to rebuild the connections that have been getting cut off for so many years by porn OCD and anxiety...ultimately all of which is rooted in fear which goes against my true nature.

All I've got to say is thank you for sharing because I really had a light bulb go off in my head tonight and I feel empowered that my healing is going to take another step forward.

MUCHO GRACIAS

Voodoo

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And here are some general thoughts from the official hard flaccid thread. I was just answering some questions but these are things I wanted to document on my personal thread here.

but everyone else I know eats whatever they want (I'm 21) and has no hard flaccid issues.

Yea, obviously it's pretty clear that a poor diet does not equate to developing hard flaccid. Most guys can eat whatever they want for a long time without sexual problems. Unfortunately, these poor eating habits are leading to many problems down the road. They also aren't aware of how much better they could function if they ate healthy (physically and mentally). But since nothing is forcing them to change, they probably don't really care. I know for a fact I would not be eating so extremely healthy if it weren't for wanting to heal.

The fastest cure is great diet, sleep, PT, stress relief, stretching, and the correct muscle strengthening.

Absolutely. It's a combination of all those things. This is why diet, yoga, and meditation are all healing mechanisms for the body no matter what the ailment is. Healing is universal for all humans. There are definitely niches for certain treatments and whatnot but ultimately nothing is more powerful than your lifestyle (on the mental and physical level).

All I'm saying is diet alone may fix it, but it would take much longer than a decent diet along with yoga and PT.

Yea I would agree that there are limits for each "mode of healing" when singled out (diet, yoga, meditation). I think the best plan of action is to strive for a balanced focus in all modes. So, basically, don't put all your eggs in one basket. Realize that it requires each of these factors to heal yourself. What I've realized is that each time I step it up a notch in one of the modes, I progress quicker on a daily basis in overcoming my symptoms. It's the daily routine that makes it hard. You have to literally change how you live to a certain extent in order to make time for all this stuff. It's not easy by any means.

I've had a better diet and exercise routine for 2 years than ever now and it hasn't relieved hard flaccid at all. I'm going to trigger point and posture therapy now to fix it.

Have you been doing yoga/pelvic floor stretching for two years? Have you been meditating for 2 years? What's your diet like on a daily basis (in as much detail as you're willing to type up)?

Obitoo himself said all hard flaccid is, is a tightened and chronically tense ischiocavernous muscle that is relieved through pelvic floor therapy(trigger point therapy).

I fully agree with that with one caveat. PFT/TPT is only part of the healing process. I definitely think it's very important. But if you want to heal 100% (if it's as bad as what I've dealt with) you're gonna have to do some other things as well. I mean hey, if you heal with just PFT/TPT then hell yea! My goal, because of what I'm experiencing, is for people to realize that there are many factors contributing to your potential for healing and that they are all very important.

I would add that there is definitely a mental aspect to hard flaccid as well (whether that aspect triggered the hard flaccid or became a symptom of the onset of hard flaccid). It's hard not to get a bit worried in your head when your penis shrivels up all the time. It's very uncomfortable. But the natural mental reaction is actually what we must learn to control (meditation REALLY helps with this) because it only continues the feedback loop for further tension in the pelvic floor. You have to learn to separate from any mental anxieties regarding your physical problems. They do not contribute to your healing. They only contribute to your ego building an identity around the basis that "I have a problem called hard flaccid." To heal we want to be free of this completely right? Yes. So accept the physical symptoms just so you can do what you need to heal, but it's important to not identify with it so much mentally. I for one took many many years to learn how to do this. For the longest time I was not even aware how much I identified with all my problems.

I'd also like to bring up the point of why I believe in organic food over non-organic. First off let me say that if you can't afford organic, then don't just give up and not buy regular produce. Regular produce is absolutely healthier than processed foods. There is no question. Organic is just one step further, but what I'm finding through research, it's a bigger step than we realize (in many cases).Check out these photos which use Kirlian Photography to reveal the actual energy of organisms. You'll notice a direct difference between organic and non-organic. Now, the implications of this are immense. It may seem completely negligible from one perspective but absolutely vital from another. For me I see this as a vital reason to eat the most holistic organic foods possible if you are in need of healing. It's working for me...that's all I need I suppose but I'd really like other people to realize this as well. I wish every guy on this forum would heal himself. Having sexual problems can wreak so much havoc on your life on so many levels. It's a terrible thing to go through especially if you're young.

Ha, I think we're agreeing on everything Voodoo. I haven't done the right muscle stretching for too long. Which has contributed to my APT. I got too strong of thighs and weak gluts, hammys, and core (my fault, bad workouts).

Yea, not every workout is created equal when it comes to our sexual health (pelvic floor). I used to do really intense weight lifting from senior year of high school through freshman year of college. The routine was called DoggCrapp. And while I did gain lots of muscle mass, I gained it in a way that totally wreaked havoc on my body and my nervous system. I definitely did not realize how inflexible I was becoming. It did nothing for all my sexual symptoms other than give me that "macho" mindset of going to the gym. LOL

So have you cured you're hard flaccid?

I used to endure a hard flaccid for pretty much 75-90% of my day every single day and even at night as well (you would think my dick would have just fallen off by now because of such poor circulation for 10 years). It has been improving slowly for the past 7 months (ever since I began to seriously attempt healing myself) but has gotten extremely better in the last month. I'd say that now I only experience hard flaccid about 10%-25% of my day but not every single day and very rarely at night anymore. So to answer your question, YES. I'm still healing, but it continues to get better and better.

It depends on what I'm doing. I find it often happens now when I am anticipating or growing anxious about something in my day such as going to hang out with some new people I don't know very well or whatever. It could be anything. But I'm very aware now of the triggers and so I've literally been developing the skill of releasing this mental tension as soon as I begin to notice it. More often than not it helps subside the symptoms from going into a full out hard flaccid.

And since I'm now experiencing much better blood flow consistently throughout my days, I'm literally watching my scar tissue disappear and the resulting curvature reverse itself. I swear guys that I'm going to be able to return to my natural state before the injury nearly 100% if not better. I think in time my penis will be healthier than it was before the injury happened. What I'm saying is stay positive and stay dedicated! If I can heal all the problems I've had for 10 years, I KNOW YOU CAN HEAL HARD FLACCID.

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UPDATE (skip to the bottom to read my theory/method if you wish to skip all of my own story/details):

Alright I have some good news and some bad news. This post might get long (HAH that ended up being an understatement). It seems I can't keep things short and sweet. Here it goes...

So around 8 days ago I cracked. I was doing one of my "visualization" sessions but I was touching too much. I kept backing off as I'd get too close to PONR. I told myself "I need to stop. I don't want to break my abstinence." But I kept going back and each time it was harder not to ejaculate. Finally, I let down my guard. Unfortunately because I kept going back and forth with my arousal levels, it was not as pleasurable as it would've been if I had just stayed “in the zone” and gone through the natural process of getting aroused and rubbing until I ejaculated. This was very disheartening to say the least. I made it over 60 days just to have a weak ejaculation that I could tell would've been very pleasing had I just let myself rub one out naturally. I could feel my mind pulling me into depression though I tried my best to counter it. After this, over the next few days I masturbated 2 more times. Neither were all that great because they did not start from full arousal and I was already in a bit of a fog from battling the re-rising symptoms of my mind.

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Here is what I learned (both good and bad) from this most recent period of abstinence, which I realize now is also what I also noticed in my other periods of abstinence:

The Good

+ After about 45 days in, I began rebuilding my "mind-penis" link through visualization exercises. This was the first time I had tried this. I discovered that after only about 4 or 5 days of practicing, I was able to get a full erection through visualization alone.

+ A handful of times these erections felt very spontaneous and natural. I could feel the blood rushing. I could feel myself slipping into a state of arousal and sexual desire. Considering all the mental and physical issues I've been battling for so long, this was like the light at the end of the tunnel. It was like, "holy shit I've healed! I've healed!" My erections were very solid and were definitely capable of sexual intercourse. (can you see why my abstinence did not last? I was too excited… lol)

+ My negative physical and mental symptoms reduced DRASTICALLY. This even includes curvature when erect. It was as if the blood flow was so good that it was filling up part of my penis that never fills up anymore, which created more stability at the base and less debilitating curvature. My penis also looked bigger than I can ever remember it being! I mean, I was feeling so good that I'd be out in public and see a beautiful gal and start thinking "oh hey hey baby" and feel the urge to have sex .

+ For the first time in all these years I felt myself getting comfortable with thoughts of sex again. It made me very happy, excited, and relieved. It felt like life was starting all over and I was being reborn into my own skin. This was due to the fact that I could actually get natural erections and feel aroused in the natural way that you do when you're a teenager. There was no struggle anymore...at least not in comparison to the way I've been for so long where any act of sex is tainted by some kind of struggle either physically, mentally, or both.

+ My nighttime erections, morning wood, and daytime blood flow were all dramatically increased! I also experienced far more positive erotic dreams. In the past, erotic dreams were few and far between and often times they were very strange or not pleasurable.

+ The best part I have to say is how good my outlook became during these couple of weeks. I was so full of energy and desire for living life. I was extremely elated by what I was experiencing. It was the very opposite of what I've become accustomed to for so many years. It made me realize what a stress I've been under for so long. It's hard to believe I've withstood it all for 10 years to be honest. It's really hard to wrap my head around that.

The Bad

- I did still have some involuntary kegals if I began touching my penis after fully erect. This would be bad in a real situation as it causes premature ejaculation. However, they were not as uncontrollable as in the past. If I went slowly enough and focused on relaxing my pelvic muscles through reverse kegals, I could control it much more than in the past. But ultimately, I was still experiencing some unwanted kegals. But used to, I was in a perpetual state of involuntary kegal. That's literally how I kept it "semi-hard"...by tensing my pelvic floor to the max without realizing it...throughout the entire session.

- After my accidental ejaculation, I could no longer get the spontaneous erections from visualization alone. The ability left me because I “let out the steam” so to speak. There was no longer that feeling of rising arousal and desire for sex. It was once again a struggle. This perplexed me and made me negative because I didn't understand how this could be. Below, I will give my theory as to why I think this is happening. It is the truth within this proposal that I think we can use to help design a speedier recovery process for the direct healing of our penises and pelvic floors.

- My overall mood and outlook began to spiral downward even though I continued to fight it. This only kept hold of me for about 4 days though (which I'd say is actually a positive thing considering used to I would've let it bog me down for months). I was just disappointed that I didn't stick out the full three months of abstinence. I was so close. I just got too excited about the results and lost my footing. I've accepted it now. Its okay. I learned a hell of a lot and I'm much closer to full recovery than I was.

- My hard flaccid symptoms returned pretty quickly including shrinkage, tightness, numbness, loss of sensation, etc. This was a real bummer and contributed to my downward mental spiral, which also probably contributed in return to the hard flaccid symptoms. Basically, that damn feedback loop of physical --> mental/ mental --> physical started happening again.

- A lot of my HOCD related symptoms also returned. And since my mental outlook had already slipped, I did not deal with them in the healthy way that I've learned and developed, which means they had more affect on me than they should have. I'm back on top now and have a good handle on it again.

I will say this:

I did not stop my good habits of eating super healthy, doing yoga, trigger point, foam roller, massage, sleep cycle, breathing, and meditation. I held strong throughout and continued to practice these things. This I think was very important in my quick bounce back.

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SO, BELOW I'VE GIVEN MY THEORY AND LISTED THE COMPONENTS FOR WHAT I BELIEVE WILL COMPLETE MY HEALING. This goes for anyone who is experiencing any physical or mental problems relating to sex. Obviously, it goes for those with injuries as well considering that is a large part of what I'm trying to reverse. Realize too that all of this will be in conjunction with everything else I’ve adopted into my routine: a whole-foods plant-based anti-inflammatory diet, daily meditation, daily yoga, daily trigger point/message/foam roller, regular sleep cycle, lots of water and organic green tea, Pure Synergy supplements, and breathing exercises.

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“Use abstinence as a tool.”

I believe what happens to me every time I practice abstinence is a strengthening of the endocrine system's functions. Basically (though I really don't know what is happening scientifically), the chemicals/mechanisms that naturally trigger arousal build up and make this process easier to tap into. Obviously, if you are not 100% healthy either physically, mentally, or both, this can be EXTREMELY useful in the healing process! It’s kind of like training wheels for your sex life!

This is my plan of action from here out:

1.) Get back on the abstinence train damn-it! I don't want to. Obviously I wish I were healed. But I still have more recovery left to do.

2.) For the first two weeks I am going to give my mind and penis a rest...so no mental fantasizing until a couple weeks in.

3.) Once I have my first visualization session at two weeks in, I will monitor where I'm at. If it is difficult to become aroused, I will try again for two or three more days. If within those few days I don't see some progress in my arousal levels, I will rest again for a week.

4.) Once I get to the point where I am getting aroused to mental fantasies again, I will use this practice once daily for a solid month (for say 5-20 minutes). I will not allow any touching as this is once again how I slipped up and let myself ejaculate. If I don't touch, I will naturally stay on the front side of the arousal process before you feel semen preparing to ejaculate (for lack of a better scientific explanation!! haha).

Healing Factors Inherent to this Method

- Daily blood flow to the penis from a natural arousal process. In combination with all the healthy foods and supplements I ingest, this will allow far more nutrients to reach my penis on a regular basis. I believe this will speed up the healing process and help break through some of the scar tissue that is causing curvature and blood flow problems.

- Daily relationship with your sexuality. For me this is huge considering I've had a mental illness surrounding my sexuality. However, I think it is important for any man with ED because it will help you build self-esteem and confidence with this part of yourself again.

- If you can keep the pelvic floor relaxed every time you get your daily erection then I truly think this will help train you for when the time comes to actually masturbate or have sex. Your tendency will be to stay relaxed rather that kegal out of anxiety or fear of losing your erection. You won't have that fear anymore because you will KNOW you can keep an erection because you do it everyday now!

Difficulties Inherent to this Method

- Staying dedicated to the method and not slipping up and touching yourself too much, which would inherently lead to an accidental masturbation session.

- If you slip up and ejaculate, you have to wait again to build up the reserves of the endocrine system. This is the most frustrating part...waiting for it to get to that point again. Basically your body will have to “reattach the training wheels” but this is no simple trip to your local bike store! It’s a several-week-long or possible month-long JOURNEY to the bike store! Haha…hope you are following along with this stupid analogy.

- If you slip up and ejaculate, many symptoms will return and make it seem as if you haven't healed. This isn't entirely true, though it may feel that way from our limited perspective. On a cellular level however, I believe I have healed tremendously even though some of my symptoms have returned since my slip up. Basically, I think each day I am healing on a cellular level, but this method is my attempt to expedite that process on both physical and mental levels.

- Staying dedicated to this method for long enough to "cement" your gains will be very challenging. There are so many factors in each of our conditions so this is where I don't know the answers. I don't know how long it will take.

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Personal Goal: I am going to do my own experiments and report back here as I go. My first attempt is to make it a whole month (after building up the endocrine system) using this method before actually letting myself masturbate. At that point I will analyze which symptoms return, how completely they return, and how long they return for. I’m guessing I may run into some unforeseen challenges and symptoms along the way. I will keep you all posted.

Basically, I saw SO MANY POSITIVE RESULTS from my first time with this method that I have a lot of motivation to give it a fully dedicated attempt on this second time around (that is: practicing abstinence AND mental fantasizing).

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Basic formula of the method:

Step 1 – Practice abstinence until you reach a point where you can get aroused from mental fantasies alone. (this will take you “X” number of days to reach this point)

Step 2 – Practice daily visualization sessions and continue abstinence. (Do this for “Y” number of days)

Step 3 – After “Y” number of days of practicing visualization and arousal, do a complete and intentional masturbation session with mental fantasies.

Step 4 – After the intentional masturbation session, begin to observe and analyze what symptoms are returning and the degree to which they are returning. (Do this for “Z” number of days)

Step 4 – Repeat the procedure from step one and see if it takes less time (“X”) to get to the point where you can get fully aroused from mental fantasies. If it takes less time, this definitely would indicate that you are healing. Also, each time you repeat the process, see if the degree to which your initial negative symptoms return is further diminished (during “Z”). If this degree is less, this definitely would indicate that you are healing.

NOTES:

~ The first variable, “X,” will take everyone a unique number of days. It may be days, weeks, or even months.

~ Feel free to use your own discretion on “Y”. I am doing my own experiment based on my own intuition of what I’ve experienced within my condition thus far.

~ “Z” is basically your recovery period after you’ve “let out steam” and restarted your endocrine system. Be gentle with yourself in regard to any negative symptoms that return and analyze their severity closely.

~ Then allow abstinence to return you to Step 2 after “X” amount of days. Every situation is different. Let this be a model for you, not an exact parameter of time.


Happy holidays fellas. Wishing you all a very merry healing new year!


Voodoo

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Thanks for the update, Voodoo! Keep up the good work. We need to keep experimenting until we figure out what it is that our body needs from us, meanwhile keep your head up high because you are fighting this "illness" every singly day! Our courage will guide us to a full recovery!

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BEST UPDATE YET:

Last night I experienced the most heavenly, sensual, natural, mind numbing, orgasm I've experienced in probably ten years. It happened the way it was supposed to happen. My whole state changed. I literally can't express my emotions after it happened nor right now. I am feeling extremely grateful. I have not experienced hard flaccid since the orgasm either. I've actually had really good blood flow ever since the session and even had nocturnal erections.

Guys, I think everything I'm doing is restoring me to my natural state both from the inside out and the outside in. I don't know how to say this, but it's as if I'm now being able to "let go" of my problems. It's like some natural force within me and around me is helping pull me into full recovery. I feel blessed and extremely relieved and positive. This is the best sign of healing to date. I have reached a new point in my life guys. I'll keep you all posted in the coming weeks. I still believe that method I just posted above is what has helped me get to this new point along with everything else. I'm going to continue to practice the method but probably at somewhat shorter intervals than what I'd originally said.

Happy holidays,

Voodoo

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Vooodooo:

You have been very active on the forum as of late, and I noticed that the "HF" thread you have been very active also advising a lot of people on what to do. I have a question and few observations

- your case started with an injury. You said a surgery was needed but was not done. Have you seen a doctor. From what I read you definitely need to run all possible exam, and like all of us maybe, see therapists (physcial, sex, and a shrink maybe due to the OCD).


- your case is not the standard HF case or the standard stretching/jelquing injury that many experience here. It has also lasted 9 years which is a lot. Keep that in mind when you are advising other people.


best of luck

[VoodooChild Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close VoodooChild]

- your case started with an injury. You said a surgery was needed but was not done. Have you seen a doctor. From what I read you definitely need to run all possible exam, and like all of us maybe, see therapists (physcial, sex, and a shrink maybe due to the OCD).

Darweiner, if you read my thread you will notice that I've seen three different urologists over these years and have been going to therapy ever since April of this year. I continue to go. As I stated in my thread and have posted multiple times, the urologists have all diagnosed me with peyronie's disease which is an abnormal curvature of the penis. All my blood tests returned as "within the normal range" including my testosterone. As far as my statement on surgery, this is what I read when I was 13 a couple months after the injury: "that any penile fracture should seek immediate surgery and if this is not done, damage could worsen and will be irreversible." That's the general consensus on medical sites around the internet in regard to penile fractures. So, because I had not gotten a surgery, I went into further emotional issues and continued to fear for many years that I would never get better.

- your case is not the standard HF case or the standard stretching/jelquing injury that many experience here. It has also lasted 9 years which is a lot. Keep that in mind when you are advising other people.

This is subjective. We do not know by any exact measure how different or similar my case is or anyone's case is for that matter. My case very well could be much like the "standard stretching/jelqing" injury...whatever "standard" means. I also believe that anyone here could suffer from HF for as long as I have if the proper measures are not taken...for instance:

- If it manifests into the full blown mental issues that mine eventually turned into a couple years after the injury, you will experience a much longer recovery time. This is why I stress the whole "meditation/yoga" thing. If you don't get a handle on your mental anxiety now, it will do nothing but get worse. I directly experienced this.

- If it is not taken care of at a cellular level, it will not heal. This is why I stress "diet/supplementation" along with message and stretching. This will insure not only better circulation to your penis and tightened pelvic floor muscles, but also that the blood being transported to those areas is dense with healing nutrients. You cannot dismiss the importance of these things. It is a main factor in how a human heals from anything to be dead honest. Diet is medicine. Medicine is diet.

Unfortunately, to me it sounds like you don't believe my advice applies to these "other people." Yes, they've not suffered as long as I have (thank god, I hope they don't). But if you look at the similarities of symptoms, my case is so much related to everyone on there: numbness, shrinkage, coldness from poor circulation, pain, tight pelvic floor, poor erections, premature ejaculation, weak orgasms, anxiety, fear, worry, depression, hopelessness, low motivation to live life, low energy levels, low libido, reduced self esteem, and on and on it goes...

So to say that my case is not applicable is just not true. At best, it is short sighted logic. I've been very active on the forum lately because I've spent the last 8 months experimenting on myself to see what actually will heal me, and finally, I'm literally witnessing myself heal. I want to share with others what is working! My curvature is reversing, my libido is returning, I don't experience HF nearly as often and continues to get better, my state of mind is better, life is opening up for me once again, and sensitivity is returning to my penis. I seriously believe nerve endings are repairing themselves slowly but surely. I have more feeling in my penis that I've had since my injury (10 years ago). It's beginning to feel more and more normal and healthy. I can see the difference too.

Why would you not heed my advice if I'm turning something around that has plagued me for 10 years of my life? Especially when there are countless similarities between my condition and the others...

good luck man
Voodoo

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As I said great to hear your are doing much better, this is great, and do keep at what you are doing since it is healthy.

I read your first post and some of the posts here and there, but of course I did not go through every single update that is why I had to make sure you went yo a uro, cause they don't take these issues (especially curvature, ed,...) as lightly as some here want people to think. Going to several uros is just a first necessary step.

Re my comments, I mnow very well what anxiety can do to down there. I have been a cpps sufferer and frequent poster on that forum, I also have done lots of research in the past. No one disagree about the fact that meditation, diet, good mood, are all beneficial to all your system and thus your penis too. NO DOUBT.
I have been doing that on and off for a long period of time before I had the injury because I had cpps.

I am probably one of the few that actually had CPPS long before injury so I can clearly differentiate between what the typical cpps aymptoms are in my case (and most of those on that large and well moderated forum i mentioned), and the symptoms of the injruy. Of course there are similarities between cpps, injury, finasteride, low T, diabetes symptoms. ED is one of them.

Pso of course your symptomsare related to those on the forum. My point has been, YES diet and all meditation and well being regimen improve your libido and other symptoms, however is this the only thing? I am NOT sure. Maybe in your case, since it seems to me you had severe form of cpps and peyronie?

I had a long ignored thread, which from what you say you seem to agree with me. The point i make is that worrying about an injury can easily lead to a reflex of tensing muscles==> cpps==> sexual dysfunction of some sort.

So for those who are experiencing only that (and one can tell because cpps symptoms tend to fluctuate quite a bit, and improve after a period of stretching, massage,...) then the cpps current available management is stuff that has been discussed here.

HOWEVER one cannot rule out that several on here have actual physical injury (ligament, nerve pinched, vein leaking, entrapment,..) and should test for that. Also one cannot rule out that some injuries are hard to detect by doctors and will remain unaddressed for some without further research and effort. I.e., a simple uro visit alone might not do. But some of these injuries can heal alone too (hope).

These issues need to be discussed. I am not saying that your advice is bad, nor that you are an outlier, just that it was hard for me to read the HF forum and interact with others because a couple of posters have been too active and too focused on their specific case. That is why I found it appropriate to discuss your case here.

Cheers

[VoodooChild Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close VoodooChild]

I read your first post and some of the posts here and there, but of course I did not go through every single update that is why I had to make sure you went yo a uro, cause they don't take these issues (especially curvature, ed,...) as lightly as some here want people to think. Going to several uros is just a first necessary step.

Unfortunately, my experience with uros was just like many others...they do not take extensive measures to diagnose the issues and they draw conclusions quickly based on very minimal examination. They then proceed to explaining that methods for healing include surgery or pharmaceuticals...without giving any other options. I'm three for three with that type of experience with the "best" urologists in two cities. I gave up on looking for answers from someone else and decided my own research would provide a more intuitive approach with scientific reasoning supporting my actions. I am disappointed in how our medical system is currently functioning. It's sad to say the very least.

Pso of course your symptomsare related to those on the forum. My point has been, YES diet and all meditation and well being regimen improve your libido and other symptoms, however is this the only thing? I am NOT sure. Maybe in your case, since it seems to me you had severe form of cpps and peyronie?

So perhaps they aren't the only things you can do...but from a scientific standpoint, they are the foundation for anything else you try to do. What I mean is, if you attempt some other form of healing while negating any number of these practices, you will not see the results you are looking for. These are the building blocks for healing problems that arise within the human body and mind. I would say learning to eat a truly healthy anti-inflammatory diet is number one on any road to recovery, then all the others are in line for a close second place.

I guess the reason I am so adamant about these practices is because they really do apply to everyone. It's like, "okay, so something is going wrong with your penis? Well yes, we need to try to figure out what exactly the problem is, but here's what you need to adopt into your lifestyle regardless of what the specific problem is: anti-inflammatory diet, yoga, meditation, trigger point over the whole body, message over the whole body, regular sleep cycles, healthy digestion habits (no fluid with meals, only 20 minutes before or an hour after), warm water with fresh lemon and cayenne every morning, breathing exercises, and cognitive therapy." Now, the details of how to do all these practices requires much research...research I continue to do. But, I've learned a lot already and it's why I've tried to save people some time by posting so much of my own research on the HF thread. It's not my opinion. If you do the research you will find many many people who have "miraculously" recovered from many injuries, illness, etc just through diet, meditation, and yoga. I use the word "just" in a way that makes it seem like these aren't very hefty practices. I think this is the problem with most peoples perspective on these threads. Diet, meditation, and yoga sound like weak alternatives to a cure. They don't sound like the "fix" that they are looking for. The opposite however, is true. They are the fix or a VERY large portion.

What I'm trying to get people to realize is that these lifestyle practices are the mechanisms that allow the human body to do what it is made to do naturally: HEAL ITSELF. The only way you can heal is if your body heals itself...would you not agree? Nothing but your own natural repair mechanisms can heal your problems. Just as a broken bone is repaired by the body...just as a cut is repaired by the body...just as a pulled muscle is repaired by the body. Our main job is to help give the body everything it needs to make the repair and facilitate this process.

A poor/mediocre diet only hinders the process. Tense muscles hinder the process. A worried/anxious/depressed state of mind hinders the process. Masturbation is also one of those things that only adds insult to injury. That's why I recommend either complete abstinence for a period of time or at least much much restraint in that area of life. Your penis needs time to heal. Masturbation and sex is what you do when you have a healthy penis...but for now you have to accept that you don't have a healthy penis. Overcome your ego's desire to prove to itself that you can still get a hard on. It's okay. It will come back. I CAN ASSURE YOU!! (realize I'm speaking in general terms here now, not directly to you, darweiner, lol)

HOWEVER one cannot rule out that several on here have actual physical injury (ligament, nerve pinched, vein leaking, entrapment,..) and should test for that. Also one cannot rule out that some injuries are hard to detect by doctors and will remain unaddressed for some without further research and effort. I.e., a simple uro visit alone might not do. But some of these injuries can heal alone too (hope).

Right. It is definitely good to try and figure out what is actually going on physically speaking...just so you know what is actually going on. BUT, what I see a lot of people doing is freaking out and not taking charge of the things they could and should take charge of, just because "omg they don't know what's happening." This is not a healthy attitude. It makes us helpless. I was there for years. I get it. I understand. IT SUCKS.

But I'm trying to help people realize they need to bypass that phase and go straight to a healing lifestyle. Anyone who is having any kind of problems can and should adopt a healthier lifestyle immediately. There is no refuting the importance of this from any scientific perspective. IT IS FACT! If other methods of recovery are found to work in addition, GREAT! But these lifestyle practices support ALL recovery for the human body. This should be kept up for the remainder of their recovery time, and by that point they will most likely realize so many other benefits from the practices that they will keep doing them just to be a better functioning human.

These issues need to be discussed. I am not saying that your advice is bad, nor that you are an outlier, just that it was hard for me to read the HF forum and interact with others because a couple of posters have been too active and too focused on their specific case. That is why I found it appropriate to discuss your case here.

I've posted on there so much because I truly don't believe people understand the power of these practices. They are not to be shrugged off as band-aid approaches. They are the very opposite. They are deep healing mechanisms that trigger powerful self healing within the body. I'm sorry if I've interrupted some kind of flow but I've been suffering for many years from many many similar problems and I'm literally watching myself heal. I'm merely trying to get people to wake up and realize that these are the first steps to take on the path to any recovery. There is no need to search for anything until you have first adopted these methods into your daily lifestyle.

You can either take it or leave brotha! I just want everyone to heal! None of this is worth agonizing over in that helpless state of mind.

Much love,
Voodoo

[second lensman Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close second lensman]

What an excellent success story!
I'm very glad you chose to share your experiences.

[VoodooChild Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close VoodooChild]

What an excellent success story!
I'm very glad you chose to share your experiences.

Thanks man! That means a lot coming from a more experienced member. I will continue to share my experiences all the way to full recovery...you know, when I'm having a really healthy relationship with a beautiful gal and she's smiling all the way home! haha... that's where I'm headed. Looking forward to doing the full 180.

Cheers
Voodoo