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[Road28 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Road28]

Nothing rules out Peyronies except a doctor.

He did say he lost hourglass erections after pf work...

[HansTwilight Retired ModeratorPE Gym Editor Member of the Month Jan 2017PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close HansTwilight]

He did say he lost hourglass erections after pf work...

He needs to see a doctor if he thinks he has Peyronies, though my guess is he doesn't.

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Can a pelvic floor spasm mean the muscles are trying to go back into the original relaxed state before any PE? If so, can the pf muscles be trained to remain in the new state after PE? Any takers?

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Is it ok to edge while experiencing symptoms?

[Jay1983 Senior MemberMember of the Month Apr 2014, Sept 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Jay1983]

Is it ok to edge while experiencing symptoms?

No.

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Also I used to be able to do reverse kegels pretty easily but with the onset of this pelvic issue it’s hard for me to even do a reverse kegel. It is easier if I apply heat to my penis while doing them but I am not sure if this is productive or not. Does it just take practice to be able to do reverse kegels?

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Also I used to be able to do reverse kegels pretty easily but with the onset of this pelvic issue it’s hard for me to even do a reverse kegel. It is easier if I apply heat to my penis while doing them but I am not sure if this is productive or not. Does it just take practice to be able to do reverse kegels?

Not necessarily, if you used to be able to do them then you have identified the muscle. You need to get your PF out of tension by squatting and doing belly breaths.

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Can a pelvic floor spasm mean the muscles are trying to go back into the original relaxed state before any PE? If so, can the pf muscles be trained to remain in the new state after PE? Any takers?

I don’t understand your question

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I don’t understand your question

When you do PE like stretching, you also stretch the muscles right? So when you stop PE the stretched muscles go back to the original genetic state where they are not stretched via PE?
Im happy if this doesnt make sense since it answers the question

[Sahara Member Find all posts View Profile Close Sahara]

Guys... As you know.... This is a very serious issue. It sucks. We all love our penises etc.

How do you guys know that reverse kegels can cure this issue? Where is the evidence? Where are the people who have said they were cured after doing reverse kegels? Because I can show you dozens who haven't. I'm not saying they don't exist but I've seen about two or three lol. And you never know what cured you at the end of the day. It could have healed on its own or something else healed it. There's not nearly enough evidence to suggest that reverse kegels even have a decent chance of healing HF though.

Honestly is the most important thing here. Let's be compassionate human beings. Like I said... This issue is a horrible thing to deal with as I know myself. I don't think it's healthy to advertise this as something that will likely cure you. The results do not show that to be true at all. I appreciate the heart is in the right place for most people but we must look at this objectively.

I'm not saying pelvic floor issues aren't potentially causing a lot of these HF cases (I have no idea though) but there isn't proof that reverse kegels are helpful. 2 or 3 people saying that they attributed them to getting better isn't proof. There are more people that say they see improvements but I believe that to be mostly placebo and those people are still posting about issues a year later anyway.

If you actually talk to a professional PF therapist they will tell you that kegels are what you need to do to deal with a dysfunctional pelvic floor. They will set a certain routine for you. To my understanding the logic behind it is the same as repairing or making any other muscle stronger... Like doing a bicep curl. You do the curls but there are periods where you relax the muscle as well. There are also more people that have had success with kegels improving EQ. I'm not saying they're the answer either. I'm just saying you've got to look at the results and data. Basically nothing about the results shows that reverse kegels are the way to cure HF. Can we please, please, please just be honest about this?

With all ego removed with being right and everything... Let's make an effort to look at this objectively.

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RKs dont work because there is an underlying cause like uneven hips, lower back issues. The pelvic floor will stay cramped if the root of this problem isnt fixed.

You can rk all day long without improvement. Trust me. I was there.

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RKs dont work because there is an underlying cause like uneven hips, lower back issues. The pelvic floor will stay cramped if the root of this problem isnt fixed.

You can rk all day long without improvement. Trust me. I was there.

Are you cured? If yes, how?
I also think heating, stretches, calm mind perhaps, and REST are the answers for the cramps/strain..I was 80% cured without RK because couldn't even understand the concept.

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I masturbated like three nights in a row and fucked myself again..first two nights were with no problems then on third ,.BANG.My symptoms returned with more intensity.Finally, after four days I got my decent morning woods back..I hope in a couple of days , symptoms also get less intense..

I hope it's not mild penile fracture or rupture of some muscle..there are two many like tunica corpora fascia etc because I am having this dull ache in right testes and at the rightside base of penis from a month atleast .

I had rock hard erection like before Injury for these three nights I masturbated. I thought I was completely healed so I continued and hurt myself again.

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I mean, I think my dick sometimes is more like limp/jelly, sometime it's completely shrinked(HF) when I stand, and sometimes it's normal(very rare though)..
my morning woods are most of the times tight and remains there for half an hour or 45 minutes.when I completely wake-up and the wood subsides , it turns more like hollow for a minute or two, like air is filled in a not so hard rubber, and then penis gets completely dead and squishy as I can tie a knot with it.

I hope I haven't damaged it permanently like a rupture or fracture of muscle/tissue.because one of the symptoms match which says you lose your erection in a second which I did..some sites say you will have pain which I didn't have and some say there can be no or minimal pain.i don't know I am just blabbering because I think I read a lot day before yesterday..

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I will say this.... The fact that most of these injuries occur while masturbating or jelqueing or sex.... or some kind of interaction with the penis is not indicative of pelvic floor dysfunction. Unless someone can explain to me why it is? It seems more like it's indicative of an injury to the penis itself. I really don't know but common sense would tell you it's not the PF that is injured if all these guys (me included) injured it through interaction with the penis. I don't claim to know anything so if someone can tell me why that's not the case that'd be cool.

And Rishu.... mine is also often like that in the morning. Every step you described. Hollow for a minute or two and then dead and squishy.