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[Injoker Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Injoker]

Oh that dossier thing? You mean the hing that was started by some conservatives, then dropped but picked up and paid for by the Hillary team as well as the DNC ( which were one and the same) in which Fusion GPS money was given money to give to a former British spy who paid Russians for dirt on Trump and the FBI used that to get FISA warrants to spy on Trump while one of the top FBI guys met with the head of Fusion GPS and another FBI guys wife worked there. Oh that credible document. Really?

Again, please, if you have evidence of this, I would love to see it. By the way, I hate Hillary too. She's corrupt and as much a populist as Trump. My politics are not represented by the DNC, although they are closer than the republicans.

[TheZZMan Moderator Member of the Month Sept 2018PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close TheZZMan]

Again, please, if you have evidence of this, I would love to see it. By the way, I hate Hillary too. She's corrupt and as much a populist as Trump. My politics are not represented by the DNC, although they are closer than the republicans.

A simple google search for "Fake Dossier" will give you all the information to substantiate what we have said. Read recent articles in the last month or two as this is when the mask started to peel off on this supposed document.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

Yo joker you do know that that dossier was offered to lots of news organizations to print, even the NY Times and the Washington Post and no one gave it the time of day because they all knew it was bull. That respectable news outlet Buzzfeed was the only one to publish it.

[Injoker Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Injoker]

To be honest, the only thing that bothers me is that it makes him look like he colluded with Russia. If he wants to get pissed on by prostitutes, that's his prerogative. I'm not going to google "fake dossier" because that's only going to retrieve results that back your position, as opposed to results that have no bias. Here's what I know - there's an ongoing investigation into it by the US intelligence community and a top FBI agent has been tied to the reporter who broke the story on the dossier. I don't want to make claims about whether or not its true, I'm sure the investigation will uncover everything, but it definitely smells fishy. I hadn't done much research into the dossier to be honest, I've been trying to avoid trump news, it makes me sad.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

Watergate; now that was a biggie. Who broke the story? Two reporters from the Washington Post.
Now we have the Trump collusion thing. For more than a year the NY Times, the Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, just to name a few have had their best investigative reporters at considerable expense using all their unnamed sources and contacts and whatever to get the proof and guess what? They found nothing as hard as they have been trying.The whole Russian collusion thing was simply made up by the Hillary people.

https://nypost.com/2017/10/26/how-te...ols-on-russia/





Go read.

[TheZZMan Moderator Member of the Month Sept 2018PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close TheZZMan]

To be honest, the only thing that bothers me is that it makes him look like he colluded with Russia. If he wants to get pissed on by prostitutes, that's his prerogative. I'm not going to google "fake dossier" because that's only going to retrieve results that back your position, as opposed to results that have no bias. Here's what I know - there's an ongoing investigation into it by the US intelligence community and a top FBI agent has been tied to the reporter who broke the story on the dossier. I don't want to make claims about whether or not its true, I'm sure the investigation will uncover everything, but it definitely smells fishy. I hadn't done much research into the dossier to be honest, I've been trying to avoid trump news, it makes me sad.

Obviously you have read one side of the story. Googling "fake dossier" would give you the other side and allow you to balance out your research. But not knowing all he facts and continuing to spout falsehoods like the pissing on by prostitutes shows you don't want all the sides of the story and just want to believe what you have previously been told, which is a bunch of crock. My point in posting against your post is that it doesn't show everything that has been revealed about these supposed documents since it was originally released as "proof" of collusion. To date, they have not been able to collaborate any collusion of any kind other than that in a made up document.

[closed224 Senior Member Member of the Month Dec 2014, Feb 2017 Find all posts View Profile Close closed224]

Obviously you have read one side of the story. Googling "fake dossier" would give you the other side and allow you to balance out your research. But not knowing all he facts and continuing to spout falsehoods like the pissing on by prostitutes shows you don't want all the sides of the story and just want to believe what you have previously been told, which is a bunch of crock. My point in posting against your post is that it doesn't show everything that has been revealed about these supposed documents since it was originally released as "proof" of collusion. To date, they have not been able to collaborate any collusion of any kind other than that in a made up document.

More of my issue being exposed here. We try people as though at a real trial in the media. Supposedly the investigation began because of stories in the media, then the investigation is being fed by media, then both parties are found guilty in the media. Really? Do you guys actually believe the truth is coming out in the media? We don't even have a good Deepthroat to make this one fun. This is just so much garbage. Both sides shouldn't be supported by any right thinking citizen. We should be ashamed of Clinton's and Trumps. Even more ashamed by the supposed news teams working harder to sell tickets. Come on. Nothing has been proven nor diisproven.

[burtybasset Retired Moderator Member of the Month May 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close burtybasset]

Well, I maintain that free market capitalism while productive, results in corruption, oligarchical autocracy, environmental devastation, global inequality and poverty.

Sure, corruption occurs, this is what the justice system is supposed to be there to rectify. Larger government facilitates and even encourages that corruption, which is exactly why they should be cut down to size and kept limited.

I'm becoming less and less a fan of democracy these days. It gives the illusion of representation, whilst permitting bureaucracy to commit robbery with your initial seal of approval. The equality thing is a lie also. Its never going to happen.

It is precisely because you can pay slave wages in peripheral nations that you can afford to mass produce products and maintain ever-increasing wealth.

Those wage slaves are no such thing. They agree to trade their time and labour for a guaranteed sum and relative job security in comparison to the guy who puts it all on the line to start a company that may one day be able employ such people.

I think its this "glass is half empty" attitude that leads to resentment of the wealthy, instead of looking up to them as a role model or at least wishing them well if that isn't something you value. I'm just grateful to be able to have enough food in the fridge to feed my family. Some months its been pretty tight.

Were these nations ever to be a competitive threat to the US economically, the US would respond with economic sanctions and restrictions.

Its possible. I would wholeheartedly oppose such things as this is the action of tyrants. A very limited government that's only foreign policy is to protect its citizens from foreign attack would be a way to solve the meddling.

In terms of trade deals, the US is of course expected to get the best possible deal for itself, and at that negotiating table, the US has all of the power, so peripheral nations often just end up with horrendous deals. There is no "scale" of wages you have to climb. Nothing about earning more money would cripple a peripheral nation that wants to be a future core nation.

Yep, I disagree with this. It should be up to entrepreneurs and buiness leaders to do the dealing directly.

Instead of the metaphor where you put the roof on without foundations, instead try this. A man is trying to build a house, and to do so, his neighbour buys fruit so the guy can afford to build. The problem is, his neighbour offers him crappy prices like 10 cents for a kilogram of apples. The man tries to haggle, but the neighbour won't budge. So he tries to sell to his other neighbours, but none are interested, because his neighbour went already made it clear to the rest of them that if they jack the prices, they are in a position to give them shitty prices too. The first neighbour has a habit of getting into fights. Not only that, but the neighbours also like paying 10 cents a kilo. So the man continues to sell fruit to get by, but now he can't afford to keep getting building materials for his house. So he continues to sell fruit, hoping one day he might be able to finish his house. His neighbours like to tell him that bit by bit he will get there, but he seems to be perpetually stuck. Sometimes he gets a piece of wood and it feels like progress. But every now and then, the first neighbour comes over and smashes a foundation with a hammer, and there is no one to stop him.

The beauty of capitalism is that you can get loans and pay for the house in advance and work to pay back the debt whist enjoying and making use of the house now as opposed to 30 years in the future when you have the full amount. Its not easy, but its better than any system ever created.

Also where private property rights are respected and protected the things that the neighbours did would be illegal and they would be imprisoned or fined or both and have to compensate the man.

Poverty is poverty, regardless of where it is. Having it be "less likely you will die from starvation" is the worst consolation ever. That's like saying it's better to die from Cancer when you're standing outside the clinic that told you they had a cure just for you but you can't afford it.

I'm not saying poverty is a holiday, but I would much rather be poor in the west than poor in the east. My point is I don't think there are many in our western nations go more than a day or so without a meal. I don't think this is the case with some of the poorer nations.

I'm relatively poor, but should I just give up before even trying? After losing my house, I'm pretty grateful for what I do have.

P.S. I think the national minimum wages should be abolished. I used to think they were a good idea when I was a kid and they were first introduced, but I see how much of a barrier to entry they are now and there is nowhere near the opportunity there was when I was 19. I could walk out of a job and have another lined up before the day was through.

[burtybasset Retired Moderator Member of the Month May 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close burtybasset]

More of my issue being exposed here. We try people as though at a real trial in the media. Supposedly the investigation began because of stories in the media, then the investigation is being fed by media, then both parties are found guilty in the media. Really? Do you guys actually believe the truth is coming out in the media? We don't even have a good Deepthroat to make this one fun. This is just so much garbage. Both sides shouldn't be supported by any right thinking citizen. We should be ashamed of Clinton's and Trumps. Even more ashamed by the supposed news teams working harder to sell tickets. Come on. Nothing has been proven nor diisproven.

I think people should be wary of both sides and even the person they support. Surely everything one individual does will not be to the liking of others at all times.

[Holm Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Holm]

To your first point: There is much the US does not need to take responsibility for, but, commonly most peripheral nations make much of their money through the sale of their natural resources, or slave-wage labour. It would be naive of me to say that it is the responsibility of the US to ensure that these nations get good deals out of this trade, however, my point was that because these nations will for the most part be stuck in perpetual poverty, these trade deals keep it going.

Why are they be stuck in perpetual poverty? Some countries in Africa and South-America are are sitting on some of the World's richest mineral and oil depots, and still their people are having extremely low standards of living and dying of disease and starvation. Then you have countries like Iceland, where basically nothing else but grass is able to grow, the weather is somewhere between cold and shitty most of the year, and their only natural resources are fish and geothermal heat. Yet they have one of the highest standards of living in the World.

We live in an increasingly globalised world and economy. The amount of money one person can make in the states is directly proportional to how much they pay in countries where there is no minimum wage e.g sweatshops etc.

I'm not so sure it is directly proportional in many cases. Imported clothes, toys and electronic devices aren't really that cheap, in relation to the workers' salary. Say an Asian worker makes one dollar an hour, to make one jeans. A customer in the West might pay 35 dollars for it. 50 cent goes to packaging, shipping and handling, and 10 dollars goes to the shop selling it. The remaining 23.50 dollars are left for the fat-cats owning the clothing company, minus some VAT. When you also take into consideration that a jeans could just as well been produced in the same country it's being sold, to not a vastly higher production cost, and greatly reduce the amount of unemployed low-skilled people domestically, it is clear that the average customer is benefitting very little from the outsourcing of jobs to the Third World. Doesn't help that there's cheap stuff to buy, when you don't have a job.

[closed224 Senior Member Member of the Month Dec 2014, Feb 2017 Find all posts View Profile Close closed224]

Why are they be stuck in perpetual poverty? Some countries in Africa and South-America are are sitting on some of the World's richest mineral and oil depots, and still their people are having extremely low standards of living and dying of disease and starvation. Then you have countries like Iceland, where basically nothing else but grass is able to grow, the weather is somewhere between cold and shitty most of the year, and their only natural resources are fish and geothermal heat. Yet they have one of the highest standards of living in the World.

I'm not so sure it is directly proportional in many cases. Imported clothes, toys and electronic devices aren't really that cheap, in relation to the workers' salary. Say an Asian worker makes one dollar an hour, to make one jeans. A customer in the West might pay 35 dollars for it. 50 cent goes to packaging, shipping and handling, and 10 dollars goes to the shop selling it. The remaining 23.50 dollars are left for the fat-cats owning the clothing company, minus some VAT. When you also take into consideration that a jeans could just as well been produced in the same country it's being sold, to not a vastly higher production cost, and greatly reduce the amount of unemployed low-skilled people domestically, it is clear that the average customer is benefitting very little from the outsourcing of jobs to the Third World. Doesn't help that there's cheap stuff to buy, when you don't have a job.

This is key. It is not for the consumers benefit. It is for the fat cats benefit. Everytime.

[Holm Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Holm]

I think its this "glass is half empty" attitude that leads to resentment of the wealthy, instead of looking up to them as a role model or at least wishing them well if that isn't something you value. I'm just grateful to be able to have enough food in the fridge to feed my family. Some months its been pretty tight.

In a truly honest free-market system, I'd agree that there's little reason to resent the wealthy people among us. But as it stands today, at least in the US, big business and government goes hand in hand, buying and bailing each other out, at the expense of the common people.

P.S. I think the national minimum wages should be abolished. I used to think they were a good idea when I was a kid and they were first introduced, but I see how much of a barrier to entry they are now and there is nowhere near the opportunity there was when I was 19. I could walk out of a job and have another lined up before the day was through.

We can all thank mass-immigration of low-skilled people and outsourcing of production jobs for that. We have the same thing in Scandinavia - all the jobs that used to be given to young people, has developed into professions that foreign workers now have a monopoly on. Making it close to impossible for young natives to gain any work experience.

[Injoker Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Injoker]

I think this thread is getting a bit too complicated for me to consistently reply to, there are many different points coming from many different places being directed at me. I don't think we're going to agree. CUSP, the article you linked me was written by a guy who wrote two books on how Muslims invaded the government, forgive me if I find him lacking credibility. It's quite clear that pretty much everything I say will just be disregarded out of hand as leftist bullshit, despite having written an essay length of posts. My personal philosophy is that internationally, everything stems from the economic. I don't hate wealth, or the idea that people can be wealthy, but I resent excessive wealth coming at the cost of poor living conditions for others and I will leave you with this - The revolution is at hand, brothers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFNRlvEh7ok

[burtybasset Retired Moderator Member of the Month May 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close burtybasset]

In a truly honest free-market system, I'd agree that there's little reason to resent the wealthy people among us. But as it stands today, at least in the US, big business and government goes hand in hand, buying and bailing each other out, at the expense of the common people.

We can all thank mass-immigration of low-skilled people and outsourcing of production jobs for that. We have the same thing in Scandinavia - all the jobs that used to be given to young people, has developed into professions that foreign workers now have a monopoly on. Making it close to impossible for young natives to gain any work experience.

I'm no fan of mass migration either and I think they have to violate minimum wage laws by hiring migrants anyway. I can't really blame the migrants for wanting a better standard of living though, but I do blame those above for expecting the poorest in society to absorb these people who will likely replace them.

I think people who have pushed for workers rights have in many ways made themselves more of a liability rather than an assets to their employers. I guess this is why so many places like shops are using automated checkouts etc.

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Following something and come on to this, its from the guy who ghost write for Trump, he spent 18 months living in his pocket why he followed him around, a great inside and insight to your president.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...iter-tells-all

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