What is wrong with Socialism ?

[Tamora Retired Super Moderator Member of the Month Aug 2015 PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Tamora]

They say I'm a socialist at my core....

That's because you're ginger and from Newcastle.

[domnus Senior Member Member of the Month Dec 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close domnus]

Why do you compare socialism to a cancer?

Because both end remarkably well for a certain % of the population?

[TheGreatDivider Senior Member Member of the Month Dec 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close TheGreatDivider]

Tam, that's what you get when the healthcare industry is controlled by big pharma. But you're right about the drug ads, you can't get away from it unless you just disconnect from all forms of media. Pharmacy companies pound the public with pills to cure all but only if you don't mind the "side effects that occur in a small % of those who take _______, including but not limited to: nausea, vomiting, blood in stool and/or urine, bloating, uncontrollable flatulence, bleeding ulcers, depression, hepatitis, stroke, uncontrolled blood pressure, kidney problems or kidney failure, liver problems or liver failure, anxiety, inability to urinate or defacate, discoloration of skin, teeth, eyes, drying of mucus membranes and/or bleeding from these membranes, hair loss or excessive hair growth, diarrhea or bloody diarrhea, blindness, deafness, memory loss or bleeding from skin pores."

And which of those pills are you not taking that you need be taking? Because this is the most insane conspiracy theory rant I have ever seen.

[TheGreatDivider Senior Member Member of the Month Dec 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close TheGreatDivider]

Why do you compare socialism to a cancer?

Cancer isn't like socialism, cancer is curable.

[closed251 Senior Member Member of the Month Nov 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close closed251]

That's because you're ginger and from Newcastle.

Most likely.

I tell them my vision of the world is much nicer for the majority than theirs.

[Tamora Retired Super Moderator Member of the Month Aug 2015 PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Tamora]

And which of those pills are you not taking that you need be taking? Because this is the most insane conspiracy theory rant I have ever seen.

How can that even be construed as a conspiracy theory, or even a rant for that matter?

[Tamora Retired Super Moderator Member of the Month Aug 2015 PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Tamora]

Cancer isn't like socialism, cancer is curable.

And that is an illogical statement.

[domnus Senior Member Member of the Month Dec 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close domnus]

And which of those pills are you not taking that you need be taking? Because this is the most insane conspiracy theory rant I have ever seen.

LMAO. Have you not seen the pharmaceutical ads in the US? The list of side effects for meds big pharma companies are pushing is every bit as long as the list I posted AS A JOKE making fun of them.
To answer your question, If a Dr wants to prescribe a medicine to me, I take the piece of paper the prescription is written on and go research more homeopathic means of addressing the issue. Most pharmaceuticals are derived from plant substances. But, pharmacy companies can't patent things that occur naturally in the environment so they take the plant substance, modify it just enough that it no longer is chemically identical to it's naturally occurring derivative and then they can get a patent. I'm sorry if you can't understand how the process works and I'm not saying this is the case for all medicines. But it is for a great many and yes, I believe that most people to not need a large percentage of the drugs they are prescribed and that there are better and more healthy ways of curing many of the illnesses in our society. But taking that little pill with all it's possible side effects is so much easier isn't it?

[TheGreatDivider Senior Member Member of the Month Dec 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close TheGreatDivider]

How can that even be construed as a conspiracy theory, or even a rant for that matter?

Because there is no evil entity that controls all of medicine like "Big Pharma." That's just the over embellished enemy conspiracy theorist against medicine have created to feel like they have something to fighting against. The real power of the pharmaceutical companies is supply and demand, which is why there is plenty of competition out there, and there are thousands of drug companies all competing with one another (which is why you have different name brand and generic options out there.)

Furthermore, there is no cure-all in Western medicine. Because we have these things called viruses that mutate, people with different immune systems and body chemistry that react differently to different drugs, and different tolerances to drugs. There cannot and will not be any drug that cures everything wrong with you, nor will there every be any legitimately pharmaceutical company making these claims.

[TheGreatDivider Senior Member Member of the Month Dec 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close TheGreatDivider]

LMAO. Have you not seen the pharmaceutical ads in the US? The list of side effects for meds big pharma companies are pushing is every bit as long as the list I posted AS A JOKE making fun of them.
To answer your question, If a Dr wants to prescribe a medicine to me, I take the piece of paper the prescription is written on and go research more homeopathic means of addressing the issue. Most pharmaceuticals are derived from plant substances. But, pharmacy companies can't patent things that occur naturally in the environment so they take the plant substance, modify it just enough that it no longer is chemically identical to it's naturally occurring derivative and then they can get a patent. I'm sorry if you can't understand how the process works and I'm not saying this is the case for all medicines. But it is for a great many and yes, I believe that most people to not need a large percentage of the drugs they are prescribed and that there are better and more healthy ways of curing many of the illnesses in our society. But taking that little pill with all it's possible side effects is so much easier isn't it?

Yes, the big scary doctors are out to get you and you can cure your craziness with some essential oils mixed with spring water, or smoke a bowl of marijuana while watching Dr. Oz and pretend you know more about medicine than any doctor would learn from twelve years of medical school and 20+ years of practice.

[Tamora Retired Super Moderator Member of the Month Aug 2015 PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Tamora]

TGD, you should know better by now than to start throwing personal insults around.

Pharma companies are driven by profit and greed. In my opinion, that is not the way healthcare should be provided.

[BigRooster Senior Member Member of the Month Apr 2018PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close BigRooster]

I don't consider myself a socialist per se, probably more an anarchist if anything, but I do think socialised medicine for example is the right way to go in the absence of anyone coming up with any better ideas.

I was amazed when I lived in the States for a short while how commercialised medicine was. Virtually every other advert on the TV was selling pills and potions with a big disclaimer at the end to cover their arses.

No wonder you're all nuts over there!

We still do. A thirty second TV ad will spend about ten seconds on what the so said drug will do. Then the other twenty on side effects.

A doctor told me that. That is for the Pharma companies to CYA (cover your ass).

How you are brother?

[closed224 Senior Member Member of the Month Dec 2014, Feb 2017 Find all posts View Profile Close closed224]

If there was nonconspiracy and supply and demand ruled the day then the monopoly for 5 years wouldn't exist.

[TheZZMan Moderator Member of the Month Sept 2018PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close TheZZMan]

There is a good portion of the male community that would be a bunch of limp dicked has beens if it wasn't for Big Pharmacy. I respect them for that, I also understand the profit motive, I own a business after all. The thing that irks me is the incredible mark ups they place on medications that are not covered by insurance. Almost to the point of being ridiculous. Costs me over $10 a day to take a daily Cialis - $300+ dollars a month. There is no formula on earth that can justify those prices. If they lowered them even by half, so many more could be able to afford and their profits would be even greater.

If you are female, your birth control should be free AND covered by insurance. If you are male, it is a "lifestyle" drug and you pay through the nose for it. Prior to Obamacare, these drugs were at least partially covered by insurance. Since obamacare, it has been full out of pocket. I justify it by telling my wife she is an expensive date, but worth it.

[Tamora Retired Super Moderator Member of the Month Aug 2015 PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Tamora]

We still do. A thirty second TV ad will spend about ten seconds on what the so said drug will do. Then the other twenty on side effects.

A doctor told me that. That is for the Pharma companies to CYA (cover your ass).

How you are brother?

Still breathing my man!

The f'ers ain't got me yet!