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[Steve23 Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Steve23]

She's full of crap. lol


Her "Carrot sized" guy video she says he shouldn't be ashamed because he was born with it and can't help it YET he should mention it on a date before things get serious to let the woman get 'mentally prepaired' for his small size.
And then if he's not big enough for her say stuff like 'i'll do anything for you' including larger sex toys.

Yet she goes out and gets vaginal surgery, what happened to the born with it and can't help it crap shes preaching?

[somebodyelse Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close somebodyelse]

She's full of crap. lol


Her "Carrot sized" guy video she says he shouldn't be ashamed because he was born with it and can't help it YET he should mention it on a date before things get serious to let the woman get 'mentally prepaired' for his small size.
And then if he's not big enough for her say stuff like 'i'll do anything for you' including larger sex toys.

Yet she goes out and gets vaginal surgery, what happened to the born with it and can't help it crap shes preaching?

That's my only gripe about it.

Hence:

The only problem I have is that she's had surgery to shrink her vagina.

I'm about 83% sure she's never seen this site. All the "fake" stuff out there I'm sure she's heard some of the fake pills and doesn't believe it. That said, I just wish she would have stuck with her whole thing about "sticking with" what you have... She was average which means that every average penis should have been perfectly fine for her. But whatever...

She also didn't say "say it on a date" she said when it's starting to GET to the point of having sex... c'mon dude, pay attention to the video! That said I don't agree with that point, because any girl that would turn a guy down because of his penis size, is just that... a girl. not a woman.


That said, I see a lot of the anger that I see in guys here, in her. The hurt and anger from size anxiety, ridicule and bad experiences. You can see how it recks havoc on BOTH sexes.

Point is... AVERAGE is not the word...

If it feels GOOD then it feels good it's in the "average" range... Sex is going to feel good with a vast majority of penises out there, for women. Just like vaginas, for a vast majority of men, feel good.

[Steve23 Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Steve23]

On a date or the point of starting sex, I don't think any woman will want to hear 'my penis isn't very big.'
Though she did mention one guy say his big hands don't match the rest of him, still don't see a point in why anyone would say that out of the blue.
Most people don't know about PE, but they hear about the dangerous jelqing that gives you scar tissue and ED!

[somebodyelse Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close somebodyelse]

On a date or the point of starting sex, I don't think any woman will want to hear 'my penis isn't very big.'
Though she did mention one guy say his big hands don't match the rest of him, still don't see a point in why anyone would say that out of the blue.
Most people don't know about PE, but they hear about the dangerous jelqing that gives you scar tissue and ED!

Just look at some of the stories that brought guys here!! you've been around long enough to witness the mean sh*t some women have said, and guys just take it on the chin (though it does sink in) And then the "stereotypes" of big hands... dude probably had a girl mention that before. *shrugs* who knows.

Even at my size i've been told "That's it?!" when seeing it for the first time. I'm not huge, I'm not small, i'm a good size... but to her, I'm sure her eyes were bigger than her body... (This was years ago by a very immature girl)

Didn't make it sting any less...

[somebodyelse Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close somebodyelse]

I have a friend who's on a facebook group and it's a bunch of women talking real crazy. about penises and stuff...I refuse to read the hogwash, but I went out there once and they were asking guys to "post pics of hands" and they were "guessing" what the penises may have looked like. I was disgusted by their displays.

"He looks like he may be thick but short." Type of comments. Guys let'em talk because they were offering up hands. It was crazy to me.

[Steve23 Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Steve23]

Yeah it's just silly, anyway I just don't agree with her thinking it's a good thing mentioning size if it's not big before actually having sex, as she felt like crap after the guys mentioned how loose she was after sex, I'm pretty sure she didn't mention it to her future sex partners before sex to get them 'mentally ready' that she's looser than average.

Anyway changing the word average won't change how people feel about their size anyway. I for one don't care about studies and stats and who's bigger than me, it's just not important.

[Hanma Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Hanma]

Alpha male makes me think of a confident, charismatic, intelligent & potentially prosperous person, can be a nice guy or an asshole.

I have said this before and I will say it again:

the whole alpha beta thing is a biological conspiracy that females unintentionally perpetrate. of course in any group of organisms with a defined purpose (survival), there will be leaders and followers. leaders lead because they earned the trust and regards of the followers. followers follow because they believe it is beneficial to their surivival to be in the presence of someone who knows his shit.

there can't be alphas without betas

there can't be betas without alphas, both are necessary to maintain stable functional group dynamics

now women come along and grossly inflate the benefits of being an alpha rather than beta, this causes in-fighting and needless competition. instead of working together to improve society, alphas get wrapped up in staying alpha while betas get wrapped in in usurping that kind of power.

[Hanma Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Hanma]

And you know what? Since none of you rascals ever listen to my sharp, deep and philosophical posts, , I am going to post an excerpt from a book called "THE BOOK: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are" by Alan Watts.
This is about how we know who and what we are when there are others to compare ourselves with.

Read. The. Entire. Bloody. Thing. Or. You. Will. Miss. The. Entire. Point.

Saints have always declared themselves as abject sinners—through recognition that their aspiration to be saintly is motivated by the worst of all sins, spiritual pride, the desire to admire oneself as a supreme success in the art of love and unselfishness.

And beneath this lies a bottomless pit of vicious circles: the game, "I am more penitent than you" or "My pride in my humility is worse than yours." Is there any way not to be involved in some kind of one-upmanship? "I am less of a one-upman than you." "I am a worse one-upman than you." "I realize more clearly than you that everything we do is one-upmanship." The ego-trick seems to reaffirm itself endlessly in posture after posture.

But as I pursue these games—as I become more conscious of being conscious, more aware that I am unable to define myself as being up without you (or something other than myself) being down—I see vividly that I depend on your being down for my being up. I would never be able to know that I belong to the in-group of "nice" or "saved" people without the assistance of an out-group of "nasty" or "damned" people.

How can any in-group maintain its collective ego without relishing dinner table discussions about the ghastly conduct of outsiders? The very identity of racist Southerners depends upon contrasting themselves with those dirty black "nigras." But, conversely, the out-groups feel that they are really and truly "in," and nourish their collective ego with relishingly indignant conversation about squares, Ofays, Wasps, Philistines, and the blasted bourgeoisie. Even Saint Thomas Aquinas let it out that part of the blessedness of the saints in Heaven was that they could look over the battlements and enjoy the "proper justice" of the sinners squirming in Hell.

All winners need losers; all saints need sinners; all sages need fools—that is, so long as the major kick in life is to "amount to something" or to "be someone" as a particular and separate godlet.
But I define myself in terms of you; I know myself only in terms of what is "other," no matter whether I see the "other" as below me or above me in any ladder of values. If above, I enjoy the kick of self-pity; if below, I enjoy the kick of pride. I being I goes with you being you.

Thus, as a great Hassidic rabbi put it, "If I am I because you are you, and if you are you because I am I, then I am not I, and you are not you."

Instead we are both something in common between what Martin Buber has called I-and-Thou and I-and-It—the magnet itself which lies between the poles, between I myself and everything sensed as other.
There it is, a theoretically undeniable fact

Nevertheless, the more it becomes clear that to be is to quarrel and to pursue self-interest, the more you are compelled to recognize your need for enemies to support you. In the same way, the more resolutely you plumb the question "Who or what am I?"—the more unavoidable is the realization that you are nothing at all apart from everything else. Yet again, the more you strive for some kind of perfection or mastery—in morals, in art or in spirituality—the more you see that you are playing a
rarified and lofty form of the old ego-game, and that your attainment of any height is apparent to yourself and to others only by contrast with someone else's depth or failure.

Now it will only take someone of "average" intelligence to see how this is relevant.

[Ivor Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ivor]

As for the 2 millions years, I was careful to state a disclaimer that the appearance of man is dependent on ones belief. Homo habilis (first 'homo' to appear in archaeological records) was present about 2.3 million years ago. And I also made a disclaimer to note that we, as humans, are biological.

And again, I say it has nothing to do with your 'beliefs'. If you went 2.3m years back in time with a time machine, abducted a specimen of Homo habilis and brought him back to the present day, he would look like a recognizably different species from modern humans. Same genus, different species. The same way that while there is obvious kinship between wolves and domesticated dogs, there is a recognizable difference because of thousands of years of selective breeding.

And yes, we are of course biological, we're living things after all. But I think the biology of attraction and reproduction is a lot more complicated than you're making out.

I have read studies on women biologically driven to mate with genetically superior males.

And what constitutes a genetically superior male? Well obviously he's got to be tall, strong and good-looking, with good teeth, good hair and so on, right? But what if that guy has genetic tendencies towards cancer, heart disease, haemophilia, schizophrenia, early-onset dementia, etc.? None of those things would immediately show up on the surface. In many cases, they're carried by recessive genes and so wouldn't show up at all if he has only a single copy, but if he has kids with a woman who also has a copy, their kids could be born with that disease.

From a personal experience, I have been propositioned twice to father children by women to be secretly raised as their husbands own children.

Really. Well that sounds like they had problems with their marriages and harboured some fantasy about having their husbands cuckolded, but whatever. Good luck fathering the coming race of genetically superior Ubermenschen.

[Ivor Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ivor]

On a date or the point of starting sex, I don't think any woman will want to hear 'my penis isn't very big.'
Though she did mention one guy say his big hands don't match the rest of him, still don't see a point in why anyone would say that out of the blue.

I think, for the vast majority of women, hearing a guy talk about his dick on a first date (whether in positive or negative terms) would be a cue to pretend to need the toilet, grab their coat from the rack and get the heck out of Dodge. Certainly if I were on a first date with a woman who decided to tell me all about her vagina I'm afraid I would write her off as terminally self-obsessed and attention-seeking.

A guy who says something implying he has a small dick is probably using some kind of reverse psychology 'self-negging' technique, like he's daring the woman to prove him or something. Still a bit weird though.

[spanky Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close spanky]

Stop comparing yourself to other people or denigrating other people in order to resolve your weird ass issues that you only got from comparing yourself to other people. Men and Women. Just the same. If somebody else *really* cares? Then fuck em. There's another 7 billion people you can choose to spend time with instead.

Honestly if everyuone had this outlook, we wouldn't have racism, war, insecurity, and all the things that stem from those things.

Now I recognise that this is a big ask of a world. But it's not a big ask of yourself.

[somebodyelse Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close somebodyelse]

Stop comparing yourself to other people or denigrating other people in order to resolve your weird ass issues that you only got from comparing yourself to other people. Men and Women. Just the same. If somebody else *really* cares? Then fuck em. There's another 7 billion people you can choose to spend time with instead.

Honestly if everyuone had this outlook, we wouldn't have racism, war, insecurity, and all the things that stem from those things.

Now I recognise that this is a big ask of a world. But it's not a big ask of yourself.

Truth in motion. So much said in very few words...

[Ivor Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ivor]

OK, sorry to keep banging on about this, last post from me on 'alpha/beta' males, I promise (well, unless anyone feels the need to keep the topic running):

If we accept the proposition that women are attracted to 'dominant' men - or if we want to use a less loaded term, let's say confident, assertive, physically fit men - why would they want their kids to be raised by a more passive, less assertive man? Surely, from an evo-psych perspective, the brave, strong guy is going to be a better father since he's going to be better at providing for kids and protecting them from predators (and rival males)?

But really, to say that women would want their kids brought up by this or that guy begs the question, because it presupposes the existence of a nuclear family, whereas families as we know them today almost certainly did not exist among very early human societies, any more than they exist among chimps or bonobos. Humans, unlike albatrosses, do not mate for life. We are naturally promiscuous, and in the absence of birth control women would just get pregnant as a matter of course. The identity of a child's mother is never in doubt but in this sort of extended family group, it's likely the identity of the father would remain unknown. Children would be brought up primarily by their own mother but with support from aunts, grandmothers, older sisters and more distant female relatives (since everyone in the group would, to some degree, be related to everyone else). Hunting and security duties would have been provided by the men for the collective good of the group.

No single male would ever have been considered the 'father' of one particular child, whether he was that child's biological father or not. The concept of cuckolding is meaningless without the concept of monogamy, marriage and the nuclear family, which are very recent developments in evolutionary terms.

[TheSperminator Member of the Month Oct 12 Find all posts View Profile Close TheSperminator]

I think, for the vast majority of women, hearing a guy talk about his dick on a first date (whether in positive or negative terms) would be a cue to pretend to need the toilet, grab their coat from the rack and get the heck out of Dodge. Certainly if I were on a first date with a woman who decided to tell me all about her vagina I'm afraid I would write her off as terminally self-obsessed and attention-seeking.

A guy who says something implying he has a small dick is probably using some kind of reverse psychology 'self-negging' technique, like he's daring the woman to prove him or something. Still a bit weird though.

[Samurai Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Samurai]

I've enjoyed reading about the alpha male subject but to get back to the main reason of this thread. What about the word "regular" for size? Like a small regular and large drink. I can't see having a regular shaped dick being a negative so maybe a regular sized dick might be ok. Regular to me would be like most people, regular and normal. Any good? Did I win? Am I above average in guessing a good name?