Edging For Premature Ejaculation

[Draugr Member Find all posts View Profile Close Draugr]

So draugr, have you managed to stay in plateu phase for long time ? Cause I'm sure that's what I'm missing. I just don't enjoy sex, only orgasm.

As soon as I'm in plateu I' move to orgasm.

Yes, i managed to stay like 5 minutes in this phase without losing control, it really felt so good, like all the senses focused in one thing...

All this is still quite new, so we don't exactly know everything yet, but it i understand you right, you want to use your imagination like a film linking different sections to different phases of arosual? That sounds good to me.

Well, today i gave my girlfriend a massage with her clothes on, usually when i do this i get an involuntary erection by just touching her... guess what , today i did not have an involuntary erection! I know it has been only two days since i started doing this but seriously i felt so much in control of my arousal.. like everytime we were alone my mind just jumped to the idea of having sex... today it didn't.

Also, this is my 23rd day without watching porn, i started edging with my hand 23 days ago, started mixing it up with a STU 5 days ago, been doing kegels while being flaccid and erected with a towel to put some weight (I feel that the base of my penis is so weak/thin, my theory is that when you try to lift something that you can't carry your muscles start getting tired and you get random spams, so maybe thats a reason why i have involuntary kegels? I mean... the blood obviously makes it heavier) and i am using UJW to enlarge my penis flaccid length (i don't know why but for some reason i started thinking that if i get a better length while being flaccid my body will need to bump less blood to have a full erection).

Oh and my EQ has been god like! And if someone is wondering my flaccid length varies from 3.7" to 4" and my erected length varies from 6.7" to 7", it has been increasing. I guess this is another benefit from edging.

[l0fu Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close l0fu]

Interesting post.

Im going to try it for a month to see if it really helps.

[ammonite Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ammonite]

Interesting post.

Im going to try it for a month to see if it really helps.

Thank you, but remember you are probably trying to change something you've been doing for years; it may take more than a month.

Also, for those of you who have mastered your lower arosual levels and have hit plateau before, it seems that using an STU helps with getting into plateau. This makes sense because to plateau you need to be highly aroused, it is the phase which actual sex feels like after all. I dont actually own one but I for example need vivid imagination and often some pictures to stimulate my imagination to help me. Just remember though, if you try and use these high arousal levels before you have mastered lower ones, you will probably just follow your habit of skipping straight to orgasm, so don't try it before you are ready.

[ammonite Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ammonite]

Just made a quick update to the OP:

Removed the alternative method since it wasn't really applicable to this thread,
Added in a few lines explaining that any physical imbalance should be fixed before attempting to rewire your response to access plateau,
A few more edging tips.

[Griff99 Member Find all posts View Profile Close Griff99]

Im finding it difficult to figure out where the plateau is and I know its hard to explain.

When I'm masturbating I won't feel much, it will feel okay but I wouldn't say its a plateau I just have an erection and don't feel a lot. Then all of the sudden it will feel great (Im assuming this is the plateau) but if I continue to stroke I will ejaculate so I have to stop.

Doesn't stopping defeat the purpose? Isn't that just the start-stop method?

Thanks

[ammonite Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ammonite]

That is typical of premature ejaculators, feeling nothing then suddenly feeling orgasm is starting. If it feels great, it is probably more like the start of orgasm, especially if you can't control it. When it starts to feel great, see if you can try and control it with breathing / stroke speed - if you find you can this is plateau phase, but I suspect that you are probably experiencing the start of orgasm. For me, plateau seems to build much more gradually from the initial excitement, and is not that sudden feeling of pleasure, that sounds like orgasm.

Chances are you're probably completely/ nearly completely missing out the plateau phase. You'll have to try and build arosual very gradually, by using the techniques here. Trying to trick yourself into thinking it feels good but still having control can also work. I find I need imagination/ pictures to have my arosual high enough to be able to get into plateau. If you have pelvic floor issues, you will need to sort these out first, because IK spasms seem to rush you straight into orgasm, especially when using imagination while edging.

Stopping in itself does not defeat the purpose, if you get too close to orgasm too quickly, then you should stop. I dislike start-stop because it fails to convey the importance of prolonging the time before stopping and therefore trying to reprogram the brain away from rushing towards orgasm. In essence, this is just start stop; its just that the goal is to prelong the time before that first stop, while keeping your arousal as high as possible. You may also want to stop before the PONR at some pre determined arousal level above which you know you cannot control. Basically, you want to be edging on the very limit of the pleasure you can control, and the idea is that overtime your body will get used to the pleasure, and you will be able to gradually raise arousal higher and higher.

I have altered the paragraph "why not start stop" significantly to avoid further confusion, it is now entitled "how not to edge". Since I first posted this, I have made many changes to the OP, so if you have not read it since then, I suggest you go back and read it, as you may find some helpful knowledge which was not there before.

[OneHandedWarrior Member Find all posts View Profile Close OneHandedWarrior]

Great thread and I can totally relate to skipping from maybe 5 on the arousal scale to 8-9 in one go rather than staying around 6-7. I'll try harder from now on to become more aware and tolerate by keeping it just above 5 for a while. I do think however that I've reached the plateau phase a few times and even once or twice with my girlfriend and this thread really helped confirming that I probably can last longer more regurarly. So thanks for the encouragement I guess

[ammonite Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ammonite]

This post by dobby primarily concerns techniques used to attain whole body orgasms (WBO), but on a much less sophisticated scale they can be used to help with plateau. So that you aren't put off by the technical terms and descriptions, I will describe it simply here now:

Basically what you need to do is begin plateau edging in the normal way, so building your arousal up ever so gradually. Then, as you start to reach that level at which you would normally stop before you lose control, just imagine the feelings of pleasure spreading out of your penis and up your spine into your head. This helps by distracting you from feelings of "im going to cum" and also, if you do it right, spreads the pleasure out so you are not so focused on your penis. Not only does this feel better, but it improves control greatly. If you do this correctly, it is possible for you to take your plateau right up to the border with orgasm, so you have feelings so intense it practically is orsgam, while still maintaing the control you have in plateau.

[dobby Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dobby]

Ammonite (or IMAC if he's still around), how do you hold a RK while edging?

When I inhale it's easy to RK since inhalation drops my pelvic floor and it's easy for me RK.

However, when I exhale everything rises back up and it's hard to keep the RK held during this, I feel like I'm fighting my breath.

Moving energy releases tension, however I want to play around with using RK's to offset the IK's I'm still getting when I do more stimulating positions.

[dobby Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dobby]

I guess a better way to ask it is how do you RK without having to inhale?

If I'm peeing I can RK since I just inhale and push out urine faster.

I just can't isolate this movement so I can do it lying on my back.

[ammonite Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ammonite]

When I first started trying to apply the competing response method over a year ago, I also found it hard to RK. I also found that using a hard RK to each spasm was difficult to time, and didn't work too well at higher arousals.

Instead, I just used a very light RK for the duration. I can't remember, but I don't think I had any major problems applying this from the start. This RK should be seen more as a relaxation than a push. To do it, get in a position you find easiest to RK, and very slowly start to hold one. As soon as you feel any movement in the pelvic floor, don't push any harder just hold it there. Hopefully, because the hold is very light, you won't be using your abs to support it, and you should be able to breathe. Over time, you'll be able to isolate harder RK without using your abs.

You'll know if you're doing it right at first during edging because it will stop any IK, and so you will get less sensations in your penis. Don't worry though, you can still get the good feelings, but at first it might be a shock, I remember the first time I did it, I was amazed at how all the sensations just stopped when I did the RK. However, I worked gradually up the arousal levels, like in this thread, and eventually I was able to get the feelings again. Don't try and RK at too high and arousal at first, since the IK will be stronger and so will need a stronger RK to stop them. Maybe try this with your hand first before moving onto the STU; it is harder to RK while thrusting as well.

Overtime, your body will "forget" to IK, and you won't even need the RK, or you'll just find you have involuntary RK instead lol.

[dobby Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dobby]

Thanks! I'll start trying this.

I have seen better results using what I think is a light RK, it's like you said, everything relaxes and you don't feel as many intense sensations or IK's.

[adios01 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close adios01]

Wow this sensitivity on the underside of my penis is just getting worse and worse day by day..when im in a car and small bumps on the road stimulate it and i get an erection within a minute...i wish this was the only problem bur when i try to edge it is fucking impossible because i start stimulating and all these IKs come up and the sensitivity is just insane..this was never this sensitive before..like ever..i just tried to edge and i came in few seconds HALF FLACID as well..im so sorry and hope i didnt make you guys feel bad about ur pe problem..but this is just fucked up and i think im actually going to get depression..i really dont know what to do..

I have been doing little bit of rk , k and edging here nd there..no specific routine..for a month or so..and i decidedto get into routine of rk from last sunday..so its been a week now ..ive been doing meditative reverse kegel for about 20 minutes then rk 10 sec hold 10 sec relax for about 5 mins daily..i dont know what to do about this sensitivity this is driving me crazy

[adios01 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close adios01]

Should i not edge at all? Fuck im fucked

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Should i not edge at all? Fuck im fucked

It would be a good idea to take a break for 2-3 weeks it seems that whatever you are doing it only makes it worse, it seems that you have tried to do too many (or to much) things at once and that didn't go well for you, and one of those things made it worse but it is hard to determine which one it is.

For the fist week you should not do anything not even edging, on the second week you can add meditative reverse kegels only (10 minutes in more than enough, you should not aim to to strain your pelvic floor in any way) somewhere at the end of second week and on the beginning of third you can start edging but very slowly.

Open your log and be sure to report there on your sensitivity at least once a week.