5 Months In: No progress with IKs

[Guccimayne1986 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Guccimayne1986]

Also, I have increased the intensity of tennis ball massages as per Watson's thread on those with stubborn IKs. I am spending 20 min doing TMB on a hard surface instead of a sofa.

[zutsu401 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close zutsu401]

[QUOTE=Guccimayne1986;1129929]I have noticed that a few drugs such as ADD pills, MDMA or Phenibut supress the pressure in the PF as they increase the sensations in the rest of the body. I believe Spanky had this same experience. Nevertheless, this just an observation during those very rare times I did drugs/medications.
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^^ sorry but what is ADD pills?? and why you are taking these pills? can you please explain?

[Guccimayne1986 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Guccimayne1986]

I have Adult Attention Deficiency Disorder. In simple words, I always have too much things running on my mind and find difficulty in concentrating. I was prescribed Amphetamines (Vyanase) which I use sporadically especially when I really need to do some thinking work. I use it just once a week when I do my heavy thinking/planning and then I don't need it for repetitive menial work. Inspite of diagnosis and medical prescription, I don't using this too often due to short-term and long-term side effects.

MDMA (ecstacy), I used like recreationally during concerts just 1-2 times last year.

Both MDMA (methamphetamine) and Amphetamines are from the same family and have few similar effects on your brain. They trigger dopamine release albeit at different intensities.

From my experience, they do reduce IKs and increase the sensation in your body. Sex on MDMA is insane! I think Spanky can expand more on that.

Nevertheless, my drug use is very very limited and have just given me a few observations. As my log says, I have been edging for over a year following MM's and LLN's advise. I can see that there is light somewhere down the tunnel. But I am still figuring out the way in the tunnel. Maybe, I need to increase my edging sessions to 1 hour? Maybe the 25 min mark is only for some people and others need to ride it out even longer?

Unfortunately, I am getting more and more constrained on time to practice more rigorously.

[zutsu401 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close zutsu401]

So far as I know these both drugs lead DE However I'm surprise why it didn't work on you? maybe your dose and duration was short period donno?

For you Pre-E ---> if you want to eliminate your IK then I would suggest do only RK routine for 1 months with deep squat then you will see difference.

RK ----> whole day, whenever, wherever N anytime.
Deep squat ----> 80 times a day in morning.
^^ My routine..

believe me you can do this, however you have to take this seriously.

[longerlastingnoob Senior Member Member of the Month Jan 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close longerlastingnoob]

These drugs don't cause de. They actually, more than likely, worsen pre e so I'm not surprised that you're not making progress.

All drugs, meds, sprays should be avoided if you want to fix this.

[Guccimayne1986 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Guccimayne1986]

LLN, once again I will reiterate that my drug use is limited and I do not use them of Pre-E. I use amphetamine for work purposes when I focussing difficulties.

I have never diverted from my routines as you can see. I am just stating my observations so that we formulate approaches for myself as well as others who are facing difficulties progressing.

Not everyone's the same and we may need to try different approaches to find a solution.

[longerlastingnoob Senior Member Member of the Month Jan 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close longerlastingnoob]

Ok you don't use them for that reason, but whatever reason, the drug or meds are in your system and producing the effects, so when you do edge or have sex then you experience the effects. Unless you are only edging or having sex when the drugs are completely out of your system, but since you posted to their effects on pre e, I doubt it.

Only trying to help gucci, i know what these, and many more, drugs do and without even going into the health and social implications, I'll say they are not worth it.

[Guccimayne1986 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Guccimayne1986]

LLN, I know you are trying yo help and your contribution has been immense. I can assure 90℅ of the time my system is free of any medication. I had Pre-E way before I was prescribed medication. The pressure is trapped in PF and we may need a more rigorous routine yo release it.

Fortunately, almost 95% of the symptoms minuteman had stated in his epic log correlates with me. So, I am trying to figure out how his solution may work. Possibly more time/rigour may be needed. Maybe longer edging sessions and more intense of routine.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Okey, here we go.

I followed MM's advise and spent the last few months at the edge of PONR for 20 - 30 min. I would say that, for the most part I am not seeing much progress. I havent entered the plateau and I am unable spread the pressure in PF to other areas and experience rolling/wave orgasms like stated over here. (There were a few rare sessions where I felt tingling sensation in my chest but its was very brief). IKs are just uncontrollable and continue to be accompanied with PF spasms. I am unable to feel aroused anywhere else other than the pelvic floor.

Off edging, I have been mostly only doing tennis ball stretches for 20 min, 3 times a week. I stopped RKs a month ago as I spent a year doing them with no progress.

I have noticed that a few drugs such as ADD pills, MDMA or Phenibut supress the pressure in the PF as they increase the sensations in the rest of the body. I believe Spanky had this same experience. Nevertheless, this just an observation during those very rare times I did drugs/medications.

Is there an alternative/different approach that I should be taking? As you can see, its been over a year but I am still not ready to give up.

It must be demotivating really to go that long without no progress, which I find rather odd because to my knowledge there hadn't been a case in which there where no progress with edging at all, however I do recall that spanky had a similar problem where either a wave orgasm or a plateau was hard to achieve so it might be a good idea to ask him about that as well.

The inability to spread the arousal even a little after so many attempts is worrisome for me, I am certain that if you could feel a proper whole body arousal just once that you will be able to home in on it or at least have something "palpable" to aim for. It is like a link between your pelvic floor and your body is severed.

What I have learned during your edging attempts is that in order to feel the pleasure throughout your whole body high arousal is a requirement and with that the elevated pulse and activity. I go trough that, somewhat convoluted, here.

I think that your primary goal should be to attain high arousal or to put it simply to get very horny. I am certain that without that there can be no progress to what you want to do, however other members are very welcome to suggest alternative, because I have a limited perspective and approach (as well as experience) to fixing premE in a way that I view everything trough pleasure and sensations.

In that light maybe experimenting with porn until you can at the least feel some of the pleasure spreading, in the beginning the pleasure will not be an outright pleasure that you feel in your pelvic floor but it will be a sensation. It might be a odd idea but try to get near PONR then do a few push ups then continue edging, experiment and see.

Felling the arousal throughout your whole body is also important because you can better control the arousal itself then, and will be able to lower and rise it.

It will be also helpful if you could describe how you edge usually in more detail.

If all this also fails, the next step would probably be a more serious pelvic floor routine and to see what effect would that have on your pelvic floor and your body as well.

[Guccimayne1986 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Guccimayne1986]

Here's a description of my edging sessions for the last 3-4 months:

1. Watch porn for 15 to 25 min with no physical stimulation to get aroused
2. Head to the bath tub and get into position.
3. Apply lots of lube and start stroking slowly
4. Strokes are slow but they rub over the glans quite intensely
5. PONR/over powering kegels approaches after 10-15 strokes
6. I stop stroking or slow down but I still keep holding/rubbing the glans in the process.
7. As long as I am touching my glans, IKs keep coming
8. There's always one IK takes you over the edge and you can't forsee it
9. - 30% of time I stop and dont ejaculate 30% - I voluntarily ejaculate and - 40% I ejaculate involuntarily during any part of session due to an uncontrollable kegel (or I kegel hard and do a partial)
7. If I am not stroking the glans then there is no pleasure but stroking the glans is intense pleasure. There is no middle ground

*I focus on imagination and my breathing is usually very slow and heavy from my diaphraghm
**When I say pleasure, I feel it only in my pelvic floor. I don't feel as much in my mind or body. When I think of something sexual, its the pelvic floor that feels good.

MM, also I have felt full body spasms while kissing so I know exactly what you mean by the wave orgasms. It felt like a nice electric shock transmit through your upper body. I have felt it very mildly while edging once or twice ( A nice tingling feeling in my chest) but I was never able to replicate this after.

Now you may ask me why I am using porn BEFORE edging. I went through the first 8 months of my journey with absolutely no porn. I was edging at a low arousal state and edging sessions were quite boring. I was seeing progress while edging but I don't it was real progress as failed at sex where arousal levels were highly elevated.

I have no problem cutting porn out again. But, I find it difficult to get highly aroused from the get-go via imagination. I watch porn and then let my imagination take over where I imagine a girl I had slept with.

Now, I just went through zsutu's log and he seems to have felt no pleasure for 50 min and he seems to have found pleasure right after. So I am thinking, are my edging sessions just too short? Is my body/arousal not warmed up yet by 25 min? Maybe a 45-50 min session? But what about those uncontrollable kegels that take you over the edge? Maybe somehow try to be fully erect for 45 min instead 25?

Also, I haven't had sex for a while now so I can't say whether I am seeing progress or not. My current gauge for progress is reaching plateau which still hasn't been achievable.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Here's a description of my edging sessions for the last 3-4 months:

1. Watch porn for 15 to 25 min with no physical stimulation to get aroused
2. Head to the bath tub and get into position.
3. Apply lots of lube and start stroking slowly
4. Strokes are slow but they rub over the glans quite intensely
5. PONR/over powering kegels approaches after 10-15 strokes
6. I stop stroking or slow down but I still keep holding/rubbing the glans in the process.
7. As long as I am touching my glans, IKs keep coming
8. There's always one IK takes you over the edge and you can't forsee it
9. - 30% of time I stop and dont ejaculate 30% - I voluntarily ejaculate and - 40% I ejaculate involuntarily during any part of session due to an uncontrollable kegel (or I kegel hard and do a partial)
7. If I am not stroking the glans then there is no pleasure but stroking the glans is intense pleasure. There is no middle ground

*I focus on imagination and my breathing is usually very slow and heavy from my diaphraghm
**When I say pleasure, I feel it only in my pelvic floor. I don't feel as much in my mind or body. When I think of something sexual, its the pelvic floor that feels good.

MM, also I have felt full body spasms while kissing so I know exactly what you mean by the wave orgasms. It felt like a nice electric shock transmit through your upper body. I have felt it very mildly while edging once or twice ( A nice tingling feeling in my chest) but I was never able to replicate this after.

Now you may ask me why I am using porn BEFORE edging. I went through the first 8 months of my journey with absolutely no porn. I was edging at a low arousal state and edging sessions were quite boring. I was seeing progress while edging but I don't it was real progress as failed at sex where arousal levels were highly elevated.

I have no problem cutting porn out again. But, I find it difficult to get highly aroused from the get-go via imagination. I watch porn and then let my imagination take over where I imagine a girl I had slept with.

Now, I just went through zsutu's log and he seems to have felt no pleasure for 50 min and he seems to have found pleasure right after. So I am thinking, are my edging sessions just too short? Is my body/arousal not warmed up yet by 25 min? Maybe a 45-50 min session? But what about those uncontrollable kegels that take you over the edge? Maybe somehow try to be fully erect for 45 min instead 25?

Also, I haven't had sex for a while now so I can't say whether I am seeing progress or not. My current gauge for progress is reaching plateau which still hasn't been achievable.

This makes it more clear.

About the duration I write about a 3x20min session (it is basically a 60 minute session but with different things to do in each 20 minute period) you can read about it here, it may provide some ideas. I have been using that from time to time with good results when it comes to arousal, high arousal exposure and conditioning, however the sensation orgasms and the ejaculation at the end of the session where far too strong and while satisfying there where also very draining (but not in the negative way, more like a workout) so I was not able to be consistent. Also it is very time intensive compared to a 20 minute session but it is worth a try.

Your IKs are triggering because your glans are too sensitive it might be a good idea to desentitise them just a little (until you find the sweet spot) the way you should do it is to edge without a lube or with as little lube as possible, try to fine tune it. Somewhere in the past a member gave me an idea to edge with a soft material as a means of making the glans less sensitive, and while that is not a long term solution it might help. The interesting thing I notice is that my pleasurable sensations didn't diminish much as much as the "negative edge" or negative impact so to speak was taken out of the arousal spikes, however I didn't keep doing this because I didn't want to damage the glans, however I still might do this from time to time when I am highly aroused and sensitive and it helps prolong the edging session while still keeping with the same amounts of pleasure and sensations.

I also have the problem to gather sufficient arousal from just imagination at some periods of the year and depending on life circumstances and such. Porn is a bad long term idea tho when it comes to a solid arousal source but it is also hard to find a substitute. so I understand the motivation.

The other thing you will need to look into after you have tested what you want is maybe a solid balanced pelvic floor routine, it might help to blunt the effects of those IKs.

Also try to experiment with different positions, you might find some positions where IKs are not affecting you as much. All of this reminds me of a complex puzzle or mosaic which needs one more piece to completely make sense.

The other thing you keep missing is the arousal movement and intention. I keep noticing this more and more. Members when edging keep expecting to have a whole body arousal and just wait, you must actively focus your intention on moving your pleasure around your body, this is very hard to do solo but it can be done. Try to caress sensitive parts of your body while aroused and edging ,try to move your attention to the different parts of your body for increased amounts of time.

For me for example, my shoulders and neck are sensitive so I would either focus my attention on them or gently caress them, and the arousal will simply "spill" from my pelvic floor, up my spine to my shoulders and neck. The arousal spread is not a passive technique, you need to actively move it, imagine it as electricity which you can direct.

[Guccimayne1986 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Guccimayne1986]

This makes it more clear.

About the duration I write about a 3x20min session (it is basically a 60 minute session but with different things to do in each 20 minute period) you can read about it here, it may provide some ideas. I have been using that from time to time with good results when it comes to arousal, high arousal exposure and conditioning, however the sensation orgasms and the ejaculation at the end of the session where far too strong and while satisfying there where also very draining (but not in the negative way, more like a workout) so I was not able to be consistent. Also it is very time intensive compared to a 20 minute session but it is worth a try.

Your IKs are triggering because your glans are too sensitive it might be a good idea to desentitise them just a little (until you find the sweet spot) the way you should do it is to edge without a lube or with as little lube as possible, try to fine tune it. Somewhere in the past a member gave me an idea to edge with a soft material as a means of making the glans less sensitive, and while that is not a long term solution it might help. The interesting thing I notice is that my pleasurable sensations didn't diminish much as much as the "negative edge" or negative impact so to speak was taken out of the arousal spikes, however I didn't keep doing this because I didn't want to damage the glans, however I still might do this from time to time when I am highly aroused and sensitive and it helps prolong the edging session while still keeping with the same amounts of pleasure and sensations.

I also have the problem to gather sufficient arousal from just imagination at some periods of the year and depending on life circumstances and such. Porn is a bad long term idea tho when it comes to a solid arousal source but it is also hard to find a substitute. so I understand the motivation.

The other thing you will need to look into after you have tested what you want is maybe a solid balanced pelvic floor routine, it might help to blunt the effects of those IKs.

Also try to experiment with different positions, you might find some positions where IKs are not affecting you as much. All of this reminds me of a complex puzzle or mosaic which needs one more piece to completely make sense.

The other thing you keep missing is the arousal movement and intention. I keep noticing this more and more. Members when edging keep expecting to have a whole body arousal and just wait, you must actively focus your intention on moving your pleasure around your body, this is very hard to do solo but it can be done. Try to caress sensitive parts of your body while aroused and edging ,try to move your attention to the different parts of your body for increased amounts of time.

For me for example, my shoulders and neck are sensitive so I would either focus my attention on them or gently caress them, and the arousal will simply "spill" from my pelvic floor, up my spine to my shoulders and neck. The arousal spread is not a passive technique, you need to actively move it, imagine it as electricity which you can direct.

Hmm..you have a point there. Also, Spanky talks about desensitization using a vibrator.

I will try this out in upcoming sessions.

45 min, high arousal, with lots of ballooning using vibrator coming up.

[longerlastingnoob Senior Member Member of the Month Jan 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close longerlastingnoob]

It will work out one way or another gucci.

[HyperDoomDerp Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HyperDoomDerp]

What is IK short for ?

[longerlastingnoob Senior Member Member of the Month Jan 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close longerlastingnoob]

Involuntary kegel