Journey to Ejaculatory Control

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This is the log I will keep as I work my way from severe premature ejaculation to full control over my arousal response and orgasm.

Routine: Monday, Wednesday, Friday- 5 minute hot wrap, erect kegels and erect reverse kegels working up to 50 (currently at 30), edging for 20+ minutes, 5 minute hot wrap cool-down.

Tuesday, Thursday- 30 flaccid kegels and reverse kegels 3 times per day (not sure how many I will work up to), edging 20+ minutes.

Edging- I am going to edge as kingpole describes with lube and not touching the frenelum. Trying not to reach PONR for 20 minutes, then adding stimulation of the entire penis for the rest of the session until I decide to ejaculate. No set number of stops.

Today I edged for 23 minutes. This way of edging is not very arousing so my erection was at about 65% but I'm sure this will improve with time. I didn't reach PONR once in the first 20 min. I started to stimulate the glans and reached just before the PONR and stopped. I had a few contractions similar to when I ejaculate but nothing came out. I waited a few seconds and resumed the edging. I decided to cum and actually had to work for it a bit!

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Good stuff.

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Today's session started with 5 minute heat wrap. Followed by 30 EK (erect kegels) then 30 ERK (erect reverse kegels). While doing the ERK I stroked myself, glans included. While the stimulation was light I had no involuntary kegels. I am still working on my isolation with RK's. Right now I achieve them by pressurizing my abdomen. Then I went to edging. I edged for a total of 23 minutes. I had two PONR within the first 20 minutes. I had PC contractions at both but they were a good deal stronger for the second stop. I reached PONR and stopped at about the 22 minute mark. Then allowed myself to ejaculate after another minute. I just thought it wouldn't hurt to have another stoppage to train my body that it can come down from PONR. I ended the session with a 5 minute heat wrap.

I realized that I have to work on mental arousal control techniques. My erection level went up and down as well as my arousal level, and somewhat independently. From personal experience I know that they are not related. I experienced an orgasm and ejaculation while flaccid in my teens. Overall it was a successful session.

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Yesterday I kegeled but did not edge. Today I did my MWF workout. While doing my erect kegels my erection started to decrease and after I finished and began edging I couldn't bring it back up. I don't know if this was a mental thing because I had a bunch of thoughts racing through my head or if the rk's were responsible. I stimulated myself for 10 minutes anyway to train my body that stimulation does not equal ejaculation. Tonight I am going to read Drummer19's over-arousal thread and start to work on the mental aspect of my issue.

Wanted to add that I realized yesterday I have an involuntary kegel during intercourse, and that this is what feels normal. When I released the contraction I felt like I was "doing" something which is funny because I could not feel anything while I was kegeling.

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Took an extra two day break from edging and kegels. Woke up with nice morning wood. Today did 40 k/rk 3 times. Edged for about 22 minutes. Noticed two key things. One is that I ballooned a bit while edging and my glans is far more sensitive than my frenelum and I believe it causes my involuntary kegels. Also if I keep my penis at a 90 degree angle to my body while masturbating it causes an involuntary kegel. Maybe this is cause by tight muscle or because it simulates thrusting better? Either way that is definitely going to be part of my edging routine from now on. Took about 16 minutes to get to PONR then I slowed down to regain control. When I hit 20 minutes I let myself go to PONR and kegel but not 100%. I think I had my first real DO!! I held the kegel and felt very light but rapid contraction on what I assume was my prostate. I held the kegel for about 15 seconds I had contractions in my stomach and twitches in my legs. I also had a few involuntary thrusting motions like I was ejaculating. Nothing came out and I didn't lose my erection. I let myself get back to PONR to try again but had a partial ejaculation. I quickly made myself ejaculate completely. I'm PUMPED!!

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Excellent!

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Didn't edge Wednesday or yesterday. No kegels Wednesday, did 40 k/rk 3 times yesterday. Today I did 35 erect kegels and 10 erect rk. The rk killed my erection. I think from now on I will do 1 erect kegel 1 erect rk up to my total to balance out the erection issue. I only edged for 12 minutes because my body wanted to blow quick but I held out much longer than it wanted me to. I tried for another dry orgasm but came up a bit short. I think I missed the proper kegel timing by half a second, I had one drip from my partial ejaculation. Then I made myself cum. I ballooned a bit again. My glans is most sensitive by my urethra and I also noticed that just pulling the skin on my shaft which then pulls the glans tightly causes involuntary kegels. I think this is a crucial factor of my premature ejaculation during intercourse.

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The rk killed my erection.

That is one of the major points in the link beween kegels and premature ejaculation and you have noticed it for yourself.

Here is the link I think:

Reverse kegels seem to function to quell ejaculation or decrease arousal level reducing the probability of an ejaculation depending on the guy and perhaps the situation. If the ejaculation is stopped or made less urgent it will take a guy longer to actually ejaculate during sex or edging.

And

You are noticing the involuntary kegels which are moving you to ejaculation.

I do not think that it is possible to do a regular kegel (a trigger to ejaculation) and a reverse kegel simultaneously. So if you counter the involuntary kegels with some variation of reverse kegels you can't in theory ejaculate. That's only my hypothesis, but I have yet to ejaculate while in the midst of a reverse kegel.

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Yes mv, as per Pezens seminal work.
Kegels often overpower rk though. Pre e is often caused by kegels overpowering rk in the first place and causing pelvic floor disfunction.
Thus this solution is often used in conjunction with pelvic floor rehab.

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50 k/rk 3 times today. Edged for 20 minutes and hit a few PONRs before the 20 minute mark but my EQ was higher while edging. Ballooning causes my eq to go down, maybe this is because of the kegels it creates? The involuntary kegels from masturbating with my penis at a 90 degree angle to my body seem to be decreasing. I had another partial ejaculation. I'm going to kegel a second earlier next time.

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Did 50 k/rk 3 times. Today and yesterday. No edging.

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75 k/rk 3 times. Edged for 23 minutes. Went to PONR 3 times within the first 20 minutes. I think I had two DO in that time period. I experimented with different leg and pelvis positions while masturbating. At minute 20 I had what I think was my third DO and it was more powerful than the first 2 (it may have been the only DO). I had some PC contractions and lots of pelvic rocking/thrusting during it. And after I released the kegel I used to stop the ejaculation I had 4 or five strong involuntary kegels which caused my dick to bounce up and down. I was able to continue after this without losing and erection and my sensitivity dropped and or my control seemed to increase. I noticed that once I decided I was "done practicing" and I was allowed to cum I began to clench my PC and rush towards ejaculation. I relaxed my PC at this point and let myself go towards orgasm at a slower pace. I went on for another two minutes then let myself cum. I had a powerful ejaculatory orgasm with more seminal volume than usual.

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Ok so this last part is relevant re time to ponr . A relaxed attitude and pelvic floor .

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I was able to continue after this without losing and erection and my sensitivity dropped and or my control seemed to increase. I noticed that once I decided I was "done practicing" and I was allowed to cum I began to clench my PC and rush towards ejaculation. I relaxed my PC at this point and let myself go towards orgasm at a slower pace.

Those times when I got too excited for some reason or unable to keep my focus/resolve, I would also find myself out of control and rushing to ejaculation and blow. Your ability to remain aware of what was happening and then relax your pc to effect a change at the moment it was needed is a good sign.

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Do you guys get an orgasmic refractory period after a DO? Or are you able to tie them together into a string of orgasms?