Journey to Ejaculatory Control

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Do you guys get an orgasmic refractory period after a DO? Or are you able to tie them together into a string of orgasms?

With a standard dry orgasm where I used "external control" to stave off the ejaculation I had my standard refractory period (with the exception of my very first time when I did not know what I was doing) the same as if I had actually ejaculated. External control is when I used a firm grasp at the bottom of my shaft or firm pressure at my "million dollar point" to stop the ejaculation.

Using reverse kegels just prior to ponr and across ponr, I do not have a DO per se, I just skip ejaculation completely and move into nonejaculatory orgasm or strings of them. There is no refractory period at all. I can ejaculate anytime at will or just save the ejaculation till when I am ready.

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Um mv nonejaculatory orgasm is dry orgasm. I do not use external control or million dollar point.

I get no refrac period and can orgasm either singly or string them together. When doing wave orgasm I usually use "hard " form, that is deliberate concious control ,though at times I can slip into soft style. I can ejaculate or not a will.

Having a refrac period with dry orgasm is often something that happens initially.

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Um mv nonejaculatory orgasm is dry orgasm

I stand corrected, P. Now that I use the rks, I don't need to use the external control measures which I initially equated with DO.

[ManMade Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ManMade]

No edging today, just 75 k/rk 3 times.

[mvergasioin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mvergasioin]

C: As I was edging earlier this morning I recalled your words of a few days ago "relaxing the PC" and tried it multiple times. It worked very well. I kind of think it may have evoked a variation on a rk, but if it did the rk was very subtle. Another tool for the toolbox. Thanks

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75 k/rk 3 times no edging. MV I don't consider it an rk but more like returning to an optimal balance of tension/relaxation which would be exhibited outside of sexual activity by an individual without pelvic floor dysfunction.

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Optimal balance is a good point Connor ,Mv and I have been discussing the finer points by pm.

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And its making more sense to me. Balance, moderation, and personal understanding of my own personal experiences have been critical to my learning. The more my mind has begun to control my pc area the wider the variety of k and rk experiences I have been able to integrate into my learning. Words are mere words until they can be melded into personal experiences that make sense.

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75 k/rk 3 times. Edged for 23 minutes. My body wanted to cum from the first second. I had to stop several times and use light stimulation to make the 20 minute mark. My testicles were held close to my body the entire time and my erection went up and down unlike during my last session. I think this is from the 50% increase in k/rk volume this week, which is now taking its toll. But I think by the end of next week my body will be better conditioned. I didn't mention that I had an ultra-hard erection last time I was with my lady friend. It felt like metal pipe, there was no give at all, so this says to me I am improving my penile health. I played with different leg positions again while edging. I had a partial ejaculation so it wasn't as fun as last time but these things happen.

I think I learned why I keep having partials. There is a point when approaching PONR that it begins to feel better and better like climbing a pleasure ladder and then it turns into feeling really good. There is a transition point. That is when I have to kegel. If I wait until it feels amazing the ejaculate has already begun to be released. Also for right now it seems that when I get close to PONR and rk it pulls me closer to orgasm/ejaculation rather than away.

And next time I edge and have a partial I am going to keep going rather than ejaculate so that I can train my body not to lose the erection. I think that this will help me get closer to my goal of being able to have sex for 10 minutes.

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There is a point when approaching PONR that it begins to feel better and better like climbing a pleasure ladder and then it turns into feeling really good. There is a transition point. That is when I have to kegel. If I wait until it feels amazing the ejaculate has already begun to be released.

That's the point I reached when I decided to do my rk's a little earlier than I thought I needed to in order to pass over PONR without ejaculating. I have wanted to try the same thing with firm regular k's, again a little earlier than I than I originally thought was necessary, but have not done that because of my success with rk's staving off PONR.

With one exception, each time I had a partial with a regular kegel and external control I lost interest in stimulating myself to continue after a few minutes and therefore lost my erection. However when I use the rk method, I never lose interest and never lose my erection unless i consciously decide to. Stark contrasts for me depending on technique.

Training the mind not to lose interest or the erection after a DO seems to be an important step in the process.

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Yeah like I said right now for me when I approach PONR doing an rk make me feel like I will ejaculate. SO I'm going to stick with regular kegels for now. I think they have worked well so far. I think the reason I am doing it too late is that I have always read to kegel "right before" PONR, so I kegel after the ejaculate is being released. I think that it may be better for me to kegel a bit earlier and if anything pleasure myself into that kegel while holding it, that way I will stop the ejaculate and then go into an orgasm.

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I think the reason I am doing it too late is that I have always read to kegel "right before" PONR,

EXACTLY! then i found the light

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Yes.

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I am beginning to think that I am now approaching the ability to also have a regular kegel or series of regular kegels to stave off ejaculation. I am now experimenting with doing different kinds of kegels kind of randomly after I pass over PONR via an RK. The regular kegels seem to be acting similarly to the RKs in that they both tend to temporarily quell the need to ejaculate after PONR, especially when I do them in quick sequence or in and amongst RKs. Interspersing kegels and rk's with small time intervals of no kegels seem to bring on waves of sensation that can be particularly strong when they begin to occur one right after the other.


Earlier in my practice I never seemed to get a reg k timed well enough or made strong enough to quell an ejaculation. Timing earlier in the sequence seems to be a critical variable. Strength of regular kegel appears to be less critical. Regular k's of mild to moderate strength are all that is needed now by me rather than the strong clamps that never seemed to work.

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Yesterday I did no edging. 75 k/rk 3 times.

MV I noticed that also. A kegel of 50-70% full strength is good enough with proper timing.