Stan's stretching journal

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Hey Stan!
What do you think about a 1" longer bpfsl than bpel ? Is that what we should go for, or is it just a waste of time ?
At what point do you think it's best to concentrate on closing the gap more, keeping hard erections for long ?
I am still gaining bpfsl btw. It has become much easier for me now. I was reading what you said at some point, page 100ish, that you were gaining bpfsl with little to no effort, I think I'm finally getting there. It's really all about grabbing the glans and pulling hard enough, I've used both hands lately to pull really hard and it's better than bundled.

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Also, would you consider stretching completely flaccid for bpfsl gains first then edging 30min-2hours for bpel gains immediately after stretching a good workout in your book ?

[Stan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stan]

What do you think about a 1" longer bpfsl than bpel ? Is that what we should go for, or is it just a waste of time ?

I don't think it matters, if a much longer BPFSL than BPEL is what you need to eventually see BPEL gains, then it's all good.

At what point do you think it's best to concentrate on closing the gap more, keeping hard erections for long ?

As long as EQ is 10/10 just keep on stretching!

I am still gaining bpfsl btw. It has become much easier for me now. I was reading what you said at some point, page 100ish, that you were gaining bpfsl with little to no effort, I think I'm finally getting there. It's really all about grabbing the glans and pulling hard enough, I've used both hands lately to pull really hard and it's better than bundled.

Cool!

Also, would you consider stretching completely flaccid for bpfsl gains first then edging 30min-2hours for bpel gains immeddiately after stretching a good workout in your book ?

That's what I've been doing all along

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That's what I've been doing all along

Thank you for spelling it out. It wasn't so obvious to me because of the overload of edging I would need after a serious stretch to achieve max erection. I thought it would be overtraining or something detrimental so I would wait it out for hours many times.
I would imagine you've had a good edging technique even way before you started to gain anything, right ?

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It wasn't so obvious to me because of the overload of edging I would need after a serious stretch to achieve max erection. I thought it would be overtraining or something detrimental so I would wait it out for hours many times.

As long as you can eventually reach max erection you're not doing anything wrong. That's where EL gains happen IME.

I would imagine you've had a good edging technique even way before you started to gain anything, right ?

Yes but it got much better once I learned how to tame IC IKs.

[maalem Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close maalem]

I always did 2-3 measurements in a row. Night wood and amount of sleep affect stretchability, especially in the morning, so you're always going to see some variability there, but when you see a higher reading than ever before it will most likely be a real gain. I still strongly suggest that you also measure after every stretching session though.

Okay thanks! I think I get it now.. I would freak out when I get a lower measurement lol. And I also followed your advice on the several BPFSL measurements 2 weeks ago. It usually takes me 2-3 sessions to reach my max BPFSL.

Also, I would feel frustrated when measuring several times and getting the same reading however when I measure in front of the camera it would give me a lower measurement (the difference between naked eye and camera is about 3\16"). I actually asked my so to look at the reading while I was measuring BPFSL today and she confirmed the reading I would usually see when measuring after a stretching session (naked eye). Did this ever happen to you? Is there a trick on how do you position the camera when measuring BPEL/BPFSL?

I don't think it matters, if a much longer BPFSL than BPEL is what you need to eventually see BPEL gains, then it's all good.

I am unclear about something you said when you mentioned FSL gains were a waste of time when EQ isn't 10/10. What if someone was stretching, saw significant FSL gains with say 7 or 8/10 EQ but eventually gets to 10/10 EQ after a few months, would he be gaining EL if he then focused on erect work?

Many thanks!

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Is there a trick on how do you position the camera when measuring BPEL/BPFSL?

With side shots the camera must be exactly parallel to the ruler and point exactly at the tip or there will be parallax issues.

I am unclear about something you said when you mentioned FSL gains were a waste of time when EQ isn't 10/10. What if someone was stretching, saw significant FSL gains with say 7 or 8/10 EQ but eventually gets to 10/10 EQ after a few months, would he be gaining EL if he then focused on erect work?

He might be, but I know I wouldn't. FSL gains completely screw up my EQ. My last bit of FSL gains can be lost very quickly if I don't keep on stretching, and if I keep on stretching to cement it then my EQ won't get any better. The only way out of this is to get back to 10/10 faster than I'd lose the FSL gain, which isn't possible if I don't have 10/10 EQ to begin with.

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With side shots the camera must be exactly parallel to the ruler and point exactly at the tip or there will be parallax issues.

Word, thanks!

He might be, but I know I wouldn't. FSL gains completely screw up my EQ. My last bit of FSL gains can be lost very quickly if I don't keep on stretching, and if I keep on stretching to cement it then my EQ won't get any better. The only way out of this is to get back to 10/10 faster than I'd lose the FSL gain, which isn't possible if I don't have 10/10 EQ to begin with.

Stretching is definitely affecting my eq as well. Was having sex earlier and even then EQ felt a bit weak. When I edged I was able to get to 10/10 though (I was also 10/10 eq upon starting), it's just the stamina that I lack when nearing the PONR. I am now also 90% sure I've made FSL gains this month, My problem is that I don't know whether I am experiencing the same gains in progress phases you've been through or that the hard stretching is affecting my unit badly. The bad EQ as a result of stretching is worrying me a bit I must say.

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It's just something that happened right before every measured EL gain, a phase of bad EQ, with more or less trouble sustaining an erection and total inability to reach what feels like 100%. I'm not worried because good EQ always comes back.

The mistake I made when it happened last year and lasted for an unusually long time, was to eventually stop stretching. EQ came back but at the same size as before. Not doing that mistake again now, no matter how long it takes.

In fact I think the reason the recovery took so long was I had taken the bad habit of stimulating it at the expected max angle, not at the natural angle, and that kept it from getting adequately engorged. Once I noticed that, EQ quickly came back. Not doing that mistake again either.

If I understand the process you went through correctly, you would first gain FSL which would screw up your EQ for a few days until it gets back to 10/10 then the EL gains would come through edging, is that right?

I am having all of the symptoms you experienced of that weird EQ but my glans would also feel weird if I try to masturbate after the hard stretching. Did you also experience that uncomfortable feeling at the glans? It feels like it has less energy if that makes sense..

In your opinion, should I keep on stretching even though EQ is weird and I can't get to what feels like 100% engorged?

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If I understand the process you went through correctly, you would first gain FSL which would screw up your EQ for a few days until it gets back to 10/10 then the EL gains would come through edging, is that right?

Yes exactly.

I am having all of the symptoms you experienced of that weird EQ but my glans would also feel weird if I try to masturbate after the hard stretching. Did you also experience that uncomfortable feeling at the glans? It feels like it has less energy if that makes sense..

Uncomfortable no, but the whole thing feels kinda rubbery, glans included.

In your opinion, should I keep on stretching even though EQ is weird and I can't get to what feels like 100% engorged?

IMO you should work on your EQ first.

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I've finally come to terms with the saddening fact that I have to completely stop stretching if I want to see my unit get fully functional again. Even light casual stretches kill my sensitivity. Getting full sensitivity back is top priority as I absolutely need it to edge adequately and hopefully get to max erection again. So no more beating around the bush, I've wasted too much time trying to make compromises but it doesn't work. I remember an early post of mine where I said I'd stop PE in a heartbeat if I end up not being able to get rock hard anymore, well it's a heartbeat that's lasted 3 years. Enough is enough.

Good news is the BC is definitely in much better shape now, and the CS keeps on growing back slowly, it's still very soft to the touch past mid-shaft but there's some bulging almost all the way to the head now. BTW I might have been too harsh on RKs, flaccid RKs are still to be avoided at all costs but erect RKs in moderation don't seem to cause any harm, probably because I can easily focus them on the BC only, now that it's in better shape.

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Yes exactly.



Uncomfortable no, but the whole thing feels kinda rubbery, glans included.



IMO you should work on your EQ first.

Got it thanks a lot I meant the glans would get a bit sore when stimulated right after the hard stretching (done in a row for ~30min) but it turned out I had a small injury to the corona and that's what has been making it feel uncomfortable. I can still get to 10/10 EQ (just did that earlier) if that's what you mean by having 10/10 EQ. However, if what you mean by that is being able to achieve 10/10 AND stay at that erection level for 30+ minutes, then I'm definitely not there yet. Right now I can get ~15 minutes with very gentle strokes while trying to avoid IC IKs.

I am so sorry to be a bother Stan but I have one more question, I'm stupid I know lol - it's just that I want to fully understand what exactly is required to gain EL and, most importantly, not waste time. Right now, BPEL is 8"1/8 and max post-workout BPFSL is 8"7/8 but I can't seem to be able to push the ruler as hard into the fat pad when measuring BPEL (I can still feel the bone when measuring BPEL though!).

What are your thoughts on splitting the erect work? For instance, if my short term goal is to do say 3 hours of erect work per week do you think I can do 2 x 15 minutes every day and still hope for EL gains? Of course, I always start the timer once I get to 10/10 then keep on applying very light stimulation to my unit.

You said your edging skills got much better once you were able to tame IC IKs, did you get better at it over time or did you do something in particular to stop them from happening? Personally, I find breathing is important and has helped me avoid IKs but not every time.

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I want to fully understand what exactly is required to gain EL (...) If my short term goal is to do say 3 hours of erect work per week do you think I can do 2 x 15 minutes every day and still hope for EL gains? Of course, I always start the timer once I get to 10/10 then keep on applying very light stimulation to my unit.

The idea is not so much to stay at 100% but to try to get to 110% if it makes sense. Long edging sessions is what I do but it might not be necessary for you, and light stimulation is what I use but you might try some more aggressive edging as well. Try to find what works for you and don't be so hung up on time requirements, and don't forget that edging should be for pleasure first.

You said your edging skills got much better once you were able to tame IC IKs, did you get better at it over time or did you do something in particular to stop them from happening? Personally, I find breathing is important and has helped me avoid IKs but not every time.

I think that over time I learned to anticipate the IC IKs and to slightly relax the BC just before they happen.

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I really envy your ability to describe your BC going through stages like that.
Could you describe your current kegel routine?

I've finally come to terms with the saddening fact that I have to completely stop stretching if I want to see my unit get fully functional again. Even light casual stretches kill my sensitivity.

I was slightly in grief when I read this.

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Could you describe your current kegel routine?

I don't have a routine, I do as much as needed from day to day. The goal is for the BC to feel solid and meaty at all times so I work from there, and there are days where more kegels are needed in order to achieve that. There are several factors at play: night wood, sitting on my ass vs. standing and being active, quality of last sex/edging session and orgasm etc.