"From PE to MMO"- Minuteman's Orgasmic log

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Yes Wentworth this is believed to be a trainable neuromuscular effect.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

I think i have been running away a little from reverse kegels since i have never been quite sure how to do them even if i know how to do them (weird huh) so i have decided to try out a r kegel/root lock only routine and see how it goes.

Also I will revisit the master list and make it more structired (probably a total overhaul) as i gain more insight in reverse kegels.

For starters i will do 50 rk (reverse kegels) and 50 rrl (reverse root locks) in morning and before bed while flacid probably before edging i will try to be as consistent as posible. I am doing 50 of each in order to master the difference more precisely so that in future i can better focus on the reverse kegels.

I will probably start with a variation of reverse kegel where you preform a very small (and precise since i have the skill to do that) kegel and then a reverse kegel, lowering the intentisty of the kegel as i gain "skill".

The goal is to be able to preform a reverse kegel of any intensity i desire anytime i want while totaly isolated



About the exercises structure i plan to make a separate list for regular kegel/root lock and reverse kegel/ reverse root lock. So it will kinda be like this:

EXERCISE NAME kegel/root lock or EXERCISE NAME reverse kegel/ reverse root lock

Overall/overview DESCRIPTION: Yada Yadda yadda it is good for you yadda da, may people don't to them yadda yadda

How to:

Variation details:

flacid state: Will contain the point of doing it while flaccid and what have I and other who proctice this way encounter.

erect state:

ponr state: Will contain information abut the infulence of this exercise on your PONR and other ponr related stuff.

ejaculation and post ejaculation: will contain details about this if needed be.

DO and post DO (aka MMO corner): will contain information showing the abiltity to overcome a DO pitfall and other stuff.

Other: Other

Member contribution and credits:

Obviously root lock and reverse root locks are not that important so i will just point out their use if needed be. Of course this is a early draft.

[irheretogrow Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close irheretogrow]

You really seem a master of Kegels from what I've seen, how long have you lasted when you did sex and did you lost EQ when avoided cumming ? sorry but I'm so curious...

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

It is written somewhere in this topic, search around a little

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Also, since i have begun this reverse kegel only routine, during my edging i will try to control the flow only with a reverse kegel (eventually learning how to DO with reverse kegel etc), the other reason for this is to see if my control, techinque and knowledge will stay even if i don't preform the DO anymore (well not until i learn how to do it with reverse kegel which is at least 3-4 months) and to see if it sticks on the longer durations of time.

[irheretogrow Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close irheretogrow]

You're a freak athlete of PE, very inspiring and awesome what you doing, keep up the good work, in the near future when I'll start my stamina I'll be reading all your threads about Kegel and stuff, thank you!

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Here is a little helping advice for those that attempt a DO but fail do to so due to the timing issues, since i have been doiing reverse kegels only (but still have had some do, since i do them now almost on reflex).

So even after a few days of practicing reverse kegels they show one of what I think will be many good sides.

This should be done solo, since the initial objective of DO is gaining insight in how it is preformed rather than its usability in sex which comes later.

So relax, place youself into a relaxed position (laying down on my bed on mu back seems to do the trick for me) and edge yourself as usual, as you feel that you are coming very close to the PONR, hold a reverse kegel (feel free to hold a stringer kegel, but it is important that you preform a hold that will last) while holding that reverse kegel pleasure yourself until you feel that the pull of the kegel is so strong that you wont be able to hold the reverse kegel any longer (i am saying this because most of the people with either premature ejaculation or normal state would probably have trouble of having enough strength in their reverse kegel so I am using that dissadvantage to our adventage in this instance), but instead of just releasing the reverse kegel you should preform a kegel hold (since the initial spasm almost always carries no sperm with it) and while holding a kegel hold preform the root lock hold (in other words clench all of your pelvic floor muscles) and your timing for a kegel hold should be perfect (and you will feel that it is prefect since you will encounter almost no trouble).

So
-Edge until ponr
- While very close to ponr hold reverse kegel until you can hold it no longer because of the spasms that what to occur
- The moment you feel you can hold it no longer preform a kegel hold, and while holding it preform a root lock.
- Keep the eyes opened during the DO.

This alowes you too see the exact point of when to hold a DO much easier since your own body will tell you by pressuring your reverse kegel until the point where you have to let go (since your reverse kegel strength is probably not good enough).

The interesting thing here is that you don't also need that much strong kegel to preform this since the force of the first spasm that is pressuring your reverse kegel hold will give you enough strength to do a good kegel hold and since you will be bracing it with a root lock there should be no problems.

Also another note, just because you use bracing techinque by bracing at the same time doesn't mean that you are doing it right, when bracing you should first do a kegel hold then a root lock hold then you should thighen you abs, then the legs. If you do it all in the same time the body at that crucial moment may become confused and you will fail to DO, so you should try and practice bracing in order to know how to preform it with no problems.

Note that in the long run the full body bracing during DO is not something that I view as a good practice. Because while having sex it don't think it is fun to take your time bracing for DO.

In the long run you should (at least in my opinion) aim for the better techique and isolation of the muscles so that you only use your kegel hold (or eventually kegel hold and root lock) since preforming a DO with just that gives you much more freedom, than by bracing or engaging your entire muscle groups.

[Wentworth Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Wentworth]

MM I like your above post, very good advice, because I was attempting to stop orgasm with just a reverse kegel a couple of times and I could just not hold it. This seems like a solid way to go about it though. I have stopped even attempting DO, because while I thought I had it down, as I kept practicing my technique deteriorated and I would lose erection again just as if I had started to DO or was having retro orgasms again, it was very frustrating so I just decided to focus on prolonging my first orgasm during sex and have been more successful at that. If I am feeling very horny though, I can still pull off a clean DO during sex and continue with very minimal loss of EQ but during masturbation I cant seem to get it anymore. Since I have been experimenting with RKs and orgasm I will try this one and let you know how it goes.

[AWS Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close AWS]

Great post MM. I was able to use your method to not only successfully DO, but i also was able to maintain an erection afterwards.

Note to readers:
Figuring out DOs has taken me a great deal of time. Dont get frustrated if it takes you awhile to figure things out. Check out my journey in the MMO group.

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Oh well done aws, you have worked hard for this.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

So a little update on my reverse kegels stuff. I am still doing the most basic form.

I am not 100% certain but i think that my control did increase. I also noticed that while ejaculating i no longer "shoot out and paint the walls" but most of the time dribble and that the intensity and pleasure of the orgasm while ejaculating doped, while the intensity and pleasure while DOing and having a WO mostly remained the same. Never the less i will still continue with the reverse kegels since i am curious to the future developments.

On side note, a few days ago I ate something that made me sick so i tried to barf it out by putting fingers inside my mouth to trigger a reflex or spasm or whatever it is called. I noticed that during that your whole lower muscle group clenches intensely and you do one extremlly strong kegel hold (a hold so strong it actually burns and hurts.) So for those that wander how strong their kegels need to be and to somehow get the perspective of all, and see no other way try to throw up and see what happens. Of course you don't need to have THAT strong kegel but it will give insight on where you are now etc.

[spanky Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close spanky]

Throwing up isn't that high on my list of priorities, lol, but I do find that when I'm trying to hold with all my strength and ejaculation takes over it's a *lot* stronger than I am when I kegel deliberately. Post to come, but yeah I think I have a little way to go yet. As everyone says, maybe you don't need the strength for DO, but it sure wouldn't hurt.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Throwing up isn't that high on my list of priorities, lol, but I do find that when I'm trying to hold with all my strength and ejaculation takes over it's a *lot* stronger than I am when I kegel deliberately. Post to come, but yeah I think I have a little way to go yet. As everyone says, maybe you don't need the strength for DO, but it sure wouldn't hurt.

Haha yeah, it is not on mine neither it is just a coincidence so i thought of sharing (because who knows right ).

If definitely wouldn't hurt, if anything i think that the kegel strength is instrumental in overcoming a Do pitfall (when you go limp after a do) as much as arousal is. So while the act itself doesn't require that much strength as much as technique, what comes after probably does However since i am on the revese kegel only route it will be a while before i can prove it

[Wentworth Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Wentworth]

Did you find that WO are much more pleasurable than DO? When I first started DOing and still to this day, find it to be kind of uncomfortable unless I get a WO afterward, which I usually dont, and it is more like a tense feeling in my balls(like blue balls). I dont normally want to continue after a DO when Im masturbating, it just takes too long and Im not interested in playing with myself that long but I have been known to do it, arousal plays a big part too, when Im with my girl its much easier to keep EQ after a DO than it is when Im alone. I agree with the kegel strength though, I do a few quick kegels and RKs when Im having sex and Im able to keep it up out of willpower, then the arousal gradually comes back, which is part of the reason the second orgasm takes so long because once I am aroused it isnt any trouble to get another orgasm.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Did you find that WO are much more pleasurable than DO? When I first started DOing and still to this day, find it to be kind of uncomfortable unless I get a WO afterward, which I usually dont, and it is more like a tense feeling in my balls(like blue balls). I dont normally want to continue after a DO when Im masturbating, it just takes too long and Im not interested in playing with myself that long but I have been known to do it, arousal plays a big part too, when Im with my girl its much easier to keep EQ after a DO than it is when Im alone. I agree with the kegel strength though, I do a few quick kegels and RKs when Im having sex and Im able to keep it up out of willpower, then the arousal gradually comes back, which is part of the reason the second orgasm takes so long because once I am aroused it isnt any trouble to get another orgasm.

Well the Wo i usually experience is a soft wave that is before a DO and i have little to none exprience when it comes to hard wave (usually those after an DO).

As for the feeling of tension and such. When i preform a clean DO i get no blue balls tension or EQ drop and no leaking, that i how you can identify a clean DO. To preform a clean DO have to work on your technique more and also you should build up more kegel strength because that helps in the beginning. Once you have done a clean DO you will know it, you will simply feel it as a most natural thing you have done in that matter. My consictency with clean DO raised with the method disscused in the before posts.

If i however preform a do that was not clean (perfect) i also got that and also my dick goes limp most of the time. So work on your technique more and build up your kegel strength more (until you get the technique down it helps very much, at least it helped me).

Now since i have no sex eprerience i can't provide any guidelines so there you are on your own. (at least until you yourself master it or anybody that is also willing to share it).