How i cured my Severe PE in a month- Comprehensive guide

[MarcusHa Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MarcusHa]

But i see your reasoning MarcusHa... Is there any reason you would need this PORN aid ? Do you see diminished progress with the stretches ? Your initial raving posts in here were the main reason i started to consider these stretches... how are things 2 weeks later - are you still seeing the same progress ?

If porn is not an option for you, maybe holding a regular kegel while stretching would do the same effect intended. My idea is to simulate a state that makes us very pelvic-muscles-tense. If you are able to be relaxed while watching some porn, you'll be able to be relaxed with any girl.

It is not that the stretches are not working for me. I have just came up with a new approach, regarding the erection issues I was experimenting. One day I stretch, the other I edge. That way I managed to get healthy erections within a couple days only. Well, maybe I just needed some rest. As for diminished progress, I can say that the involuntary kegels I usually get throughout the day are gone - specially when laying in bad, while waking up.

The thing is that I am begining to see a relation between strong erection and involuntary kegels. Of course every premature ejaculator has already reached orgasm with poor erections. What I am experiencing, however, is that involuntary kegels are more likely to occur with a full, woody erection.

I discovered a very cool channel on my Sky plan, which has very good quality porn shows. One of them is called Massage Creep - very good looking teen, respectful guys, you can clearly see that the girls are enjoying the thing, really my kind of porn. Anyways, I decided to edge while watching it and PONR was just on the corner. So I kept watching it, but that time only stretching.

My balls got kind of loose, also mildly aching, after that experiment. Its a quite intense stretch, since you are likely to get a partial erection - what sounds dangerous, also. I'll go slow on this... defenitely will repeat the thing and see if there is any improvement all in all.

Finally, Id like to state I am not a porn addict. Actually, my girlfriend went on a trip and thats my excuse

Do I make any sense?

[ammonite Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ammonite]

Yep, for me at least, hanging balls is a sure sign that I am in a good, relaxed state, and they rise higher as I approach the PONR.

I have also experienced some fatigue and even bordering on pain once after stretching. This is all concentrated in the area that I feel the front reverse kegels in. I have always regarded the front variety as more important with regards to Pre e, though would be interesting if anyone had any stretches that would effect the muscles used in a back reverse kegel. I notice that when doing a back kegel, my ass cheeks squeeze together, so perhaps you could sort of spread them apart in order to get a stretching effect?

I have also changed my routine up to 1 day stretching/ 1 day edging and kegels. This seems more effective and is probably easier on the pelvic floor, those stretches can e pretty intense.

[MarcusHa Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MarcusHa]

Yep, for me at least, hanging balls is a sure sign that I am in a good, relaxed state, and they rise higher as I approach the PONR.

I have also experienced some fatigue and even bordering on pain once after stretching. This is all concentrated in the area that I feel the front reverse kegels in. I have always regarded the front variety as more important with regards to Pre e, though would be interesting if anyone had any stretches that would effect the muscles used in a back reverse kegel. I notice that when doing a back kegel, my ass cheeks squeeze together, so perhaps you could sort of spread them apart in order to get a stretching effect?

I have also changed my routine up to 1 day stretching/ 1 day edging and kegels. This seems more effective and is probably easier on the pelvic floor, those stretches can e pretty intense.

As for actual improvements when edging or having sex?

[bigbookofpenis Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bigbookofpenis]

all right i understand...

i decided to try these stretches mainly because the possible logic behind them resonated with my previous lines of thought that IC is particulary important muscle when doing RK - the front RK - also these stretches fit into the Pillow Stretch logic and because i was complementing my daily K/RK routine with pelvic stretching and Yoga i was about to try Pillow Stretches when i found this thread... so thats my history and reason i will stop everything and become guinea pig for next 3 months... because iam fed up with my constant jumping on and off various routines and excercises only to leave them after 6 weeks for some new technique or combination of 2 or 3 techniques - ive been doing that for past 19 years (before coming to PEGYM) and iam still here with PE... its not that some of these techniques dont work its only my INCONSISTENCY... so i made a decision in 2014 i will pick one routine and stick to it... i picked these stretches and give them 3 months to prove they do help... if they dont, i will throw them of the table and never look back - the only other solution with a reasonable track record on PEGYM is K/RK routine in combination with pelvic stretching / yoga so that would be my destiny for 2014 if these stretches fail...

iam saying this to explain why iam not ready to modify this method in any way for next 3 months to really isolate its effects... although its tempting to try to "improve" the method and combine it with this and that... that way we only introduce new variables that may hinder the method in its original form that fixed the OP...

btw. iam aware the OP also did edging every morning - but because iam on NoFAP i must drop the edging - but as said in OP, edging didnt work for him alone anyway - only after introducing stretches did the OP begin to see changes... so its quite unlikely edging is the magic ingredient... and ive read many times people complaining that edging alone didnt help them much in real sex situation... hopefully these stretches have some secret going on that might make a change...

[SeratoBeats Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SeratoBeats]

Have you ever thought that maybe your problem isn't physical it is mental?

Like I have said in the past.. You can physically be perfect and have your pcs in the best shape you possibly can, if you don't learn to relax, breathe, be confident and ignore the anxiety you will never last longer

[MarcusHa Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MarcusHa]

all right i understand...

Right on, keep the routine then. I guess RK will start to make sense after some weeks of stretching. I dont think Edging+RK/K will be your option if the stretches fail. Its more like a path, the stretches really make it easier to perform and give more effectiveness to the reverse kegels.

At least that seems to be a short term effects of those stretches. Hope it improves with time. Also, I hope the condition the stretches give (meaning: stop daily involuntary kegels and enlarge sex time) is not caused by penis/muscles soreness only, but by real relaxation of pelvic floor.

[MarcusHa Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MarcusHa]

Have you ever thought that maybe your problem isn't physical it is mental?

Dont think so. If that was to be true, my sexual performance would have improved within two years of relationship. I am really, really relaxed with my girlfriend. If it was a mental thing, considering that "stress" or "anxiety" is not always on the same "level", there should be at least one damn night where I could have sex without reaching PONR in a minute, right? Finally, if it was psychosomatic, there would be a difference between my masturbation and sexual performances - and they are (slowly getting to be a "were") quite the same.

We believe that Premature Ejaculation can be caused by bad masturbation habits and porn: raise stimulation as fast as you can, get your pleasure "dose" in a second (as if it were a drug). Thats why edging is so important in inducing a new routine... If we werent already so tense down there due to those habits, it should give faster results. But we are quite tense, to the point where RKs during stimulation are just useless. There is also that "muscle-memory" thing that someone referred to in here - it makes a lot of sense and may be part of the theoretical foundation to those stretches in the future.

[bigbookofpenis Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bigbookofpenis]

maybe thats why the OP also did that edging in the morning... he says it was to "forget" the causal connection between stimulation and orgasm while being in the most relaxed state of the day... he says he didnt go for any timed session with the edging... he just edged until reaching first PONR (1 minute sometimes, 10 minutes other times) and than he quit edging and go on with his day... in combination with stretches it looks like he was intuitively doing the right thing - STRETCHING + muscle memory re-conditioning (breaking the causal connection between stimulation and orgasm in his brain)

i also heard about something termed "super-pavlovian" memory - I.P. Pavlov the russian biologist known for ringing the bell when serving his dogs food - later he just ring the bell (without food) and the dogs started to salivate massivelly... its called pavlovian reflex - basically a somatic (bodily) memory that can trigger massive reaction with learned trigger... the term "super-pavlovian" was used by Gary Wilson (founder of YourBrainOnPorn.com) who described when a cured alcohol addict goes by a pub and just hears clinking of glasses and his craving goes SKY HIGH... although he may havent touched alcohol for 3 years these "super-pavlovian" reflexes or memories are still in place and very powerfull... interesting stuff

[ammonite Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ammonite]

As for actual improvements when edging or having sex?

I find it difficult to edge after stretching, the muscles seem to be fatigued and as a consequence thy are not as relaxed.

btw. iam aware the OP also did edging every morning - but because iam on NoFAP i must drop the edging - but as said in OP, edging didnt work for him alone anyway - only after introducing stretches did the OP begin to see changes... so its quite unlikely edging is the magic ingredient... and ive read many times people complaining that edging alone didnt help them much in real sex situation... hopefully these stretches have some secret going on that might make a change...

I appreciate you will have your reasons for NoFap, though for dealing with Pre E, I wouldn't reccomend it.

Edging should not be regarded as the "magic cure", you are right. Edging should be seen as the training. To use a comparison I think I'm stealing from Pegasus; the K/RK (or in this case stretching) can be viewed as the gym work or strength training, while the edging is practicing in the ring. In order to become a good boxer, you will need both of these things. The other reason edging doesn't seem to be effective is because I believe many people don't edge in the optimum way for helping with Pre e.

[MarcusHa Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MarcusHa]

I find it difficult to edge after stretching, the muscles seem to be fatigued and as a consequence thy are not as relaxed.

Alright, but arent you edging at all?

[ammonite Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ammonite]

I have also changed my routine up to 1 day stretching/ 1 day edging and kegels. This seems more effective and is probably easier on the pelvic floor, those stretches can be pretty intense.

[bigbookofpenis Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bigbookofpenis]

unfortunatelly my feelings about edging are very mixed and confused...

just before jumping on this thread's "stretching bandwagon" i was on a different thread's bandwagon... there is this success thread where the guy buttersketch claims he fixed himself by following Minuteman's K/RK routine and 90 days of NoFAP... just like this thread here he just posted 1 post and pretty much dissapeared from PEGYM (like 25yr here) so i guess we will never know if these sudden success threads proved to have lasting effect on their creators - but confusing thing is that 25yr and buttersketch were using opposite approaches to edging (one uses it, other bans it) and both approaches worked for them...so unlike K/RK which seems to be universaly regarded as beneficial... edging i guess illustrates that EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT AND THERE IS NO SINGLE CORRECT WAY TO FIX PE - WHAT WORKS FOR ONE, WILL NOT WORK FOR OTHER...

but i must agree that the analogy with K/RK as gym training and EDGING as ring training is quite inspiring... also the evidence from OP suggests that edging if used in a specific ways (single edging to PONR in the morning) can have unexpected effect on brain reflexes and subconscious motor memory (i wouldnt call it muscle memory because that implies muscles have a memory - i believe its just brain motor centers stuck in a pattern - hence the memorised muscle patterns are activated from brain not from within the muscles themself)...

ammonite: please could you describe the difference between wrong edging and edging optimal for PE cure ?

i read these two guides:

Edging - Penis Exercise For Size and Hardness
Edging Toward MMO

they pretty much describe edging in similar terms... only the second guide adds K/RK

link to the mentioned success thread about K/RK and NoFAP:
https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...y-journey.html

[SeratoBeats Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SeratoBeats]

Hey Marcus my post was directed to bigbookofpenis

But trust me I understand

[SeratoBeats Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SeratoBeats]

Ps

The no fap is a load of nonsense for people with pe. I suggest people with pe disregard the whole belief and continue to edge. I only see no fapping making your penis more sensitive and pe worse.

[bigbookofpenis Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bigbookofpenis]

SeratoBeats> everyone has right for opinion and they will differ between people... i believe NoFap depends where you come from... i was a porn addict so NoFap is a good way to start because reward system and arousal pathways are key players in PE and they are heavily influenced (fucked up) by high intensity hardcore porn so for me a little cleanup before a PE routine was deffinitely a good thing... but people differ... i believe if i would not be porn addict and just a guy with healthy sex life with real women NoFap would be quite optional... but its hard to judge since i come from porn addict situation so a sensible thing is to quit porn and give your brain some time to re-adjust... its a combination of factors for every individual what needs to be done... but generaly if there is no porn addiction i agree that NoFap is not mandatory for PE fix... thats just my opinion... but lets not derail this forum to PORN ADDICTION or NoFap... its about stretches from OP... iam just saying for me NoFap is mainly a PORN ADDICTION cure and not entirely related to PE