Stan's stretching journal

[Stan]

Is there a trick on how do you position the camera when measuring BPEL/BPFSL?

With side shots the camera must be exactly parallel to the ruler and point exactly at the tip or there will be parallax issues.

I am unclear about something you said when you mentioned FSL gains were a waste of time when EQ isn't 10/10. What if someone was stretching, saw significant FSL gains with say 7 or 8/10 EQ but eventually gets to 10/10 EQ after a few months, would he be gaining EL if he then focused on erect work?

He might be, but I know I wouldn't. FSL gains completely screw up my EQ. My last bit of FSL gains can be lost very quickly if I don't keep on stretching, and if I keep on stretching to cement it then my EQ won't get any better. The only way out of this is to get back to 10/10 faster than I'd lose the FSL gain, which isn't possible if I don't have 10/10 EQ to begin with.

[maalem]

I always did 2-3 measurements in a row. Night wood and amount of sleep affect stretchability, especially in the morning, so you're always going to see some variability there, but when you see a higher reading than ever before it will most likely be a real gain. I still strongly suggest that you also measure after every stretching session though.

Okay thanks! I think I get it now.. I would freak out when I get a lower measurement lol. And I also followed your advice on the several BPFSL measurements 2 weeks ago. It usually takes me 2-3 sessions to reach my max BPFSL.

Also, I would feel frustrated when measuring several times and getting the same reading however when I measure in front of the camera it would give me a lower measurement (the difference between naked eye and camera is about 3\16"). I actually asked my so to look at the reading while I was measuring BPFSL today and she confirmed the reading I would usually see when measuring after a stretching session (naked eye). Did this ever happen to you? Is there a trick on how do you position the camera when measuring BPEL/BPFSL?

I don't think it matters, if a much longer BPFSL than BPEL is what you need to eventually see BPEL gains, then it's all good.

I am unclear about something you said when you mentioned FSL gains were a waste of time when EQ isn't 10/10. What if someone was stretching, saw significant FSL gains with say 7 or 8/10 EQ but eventually gets to 10/10 EQ after a few months, would he be gaining EL if he then focused on erect work?

Many thanks!

[Stan]

It wasn't so obvious to me because of the overload of edging I would need after a serious stretch to achieve max erection. I thought it would be overtraining or something detrimental so I would wait it out for hours many times.

As long as you can eventually reach max erection you're not doing anything wrong. That's where EL gains happen IME.

I would imagine you've had a good edging technique even way before you started to gain anything, right ?

Yes but it got much better once I learned how to tame IC IKs.

[tspot180]

That's what I've been doing all along

Thank you for spelling it out. It wasn't so obvious to me because of the overload of edging I would need after a serious stretch to achieve max erection. I thought it would be overtraining or something detrimental so I would wait it out for hours many times.
I would imagine you've had a good edging technique even way before you started to gain anything, right ?

[Stan]

What do you think about a 1" longer bpfsl than bpel ? Is that what we should go for, or is it just a waste of time ?

I don't think it matters, if a much longer BPFSL than BPEL is what you need to eventually see BPEL gains, then it's all good.

At what point do you think it's best to concentrate on closing the gap more, keeping hard erections for long ?

As long as EQ is 10/10 just keep on stretching!

I am still gaining bpfsl btw. It has become much easier for me now. I was reading what you said at some point, page 100ish, that you were gaining bpfsl with little to no effort, I think I'm finally getting there. It's really all about grabbing the glans and pulling hard enough, I've used both hands lately to pull really hard and it's better than bundled.

Cool!

Also, would you consider stretching completely flaccid for bpfsl gains first then edging 30min-2hours for bpel gains immeddiately after stretching a good workout in your book ?

That's what I've been doing all along

[tspot180]

Also, would you consider stretching completely flaccid for bpfsl gains first then edging 30min-2hours for bpel gains immediately after stretching a good workout in your book ?

[tspot180]

Hey Stan!
What do you think about a 1" longer bpfsl than bpel ? Is that what we should go for, or is it just a waste of time ?
At what point do you think it's best to concentrate on closing the gap more, keeping hard erections for long ?
I am still gaining bpfsl btw. It has become much easier for me now. I was reading what you said at some point, page 100ish, that you were gaining bpfsl with little to no effort, I think I'm finally getting there. It's really all about grabbing the glans and pulling hard enough, I've used both hands lately to pull really hard and it's better than bundled.

[Stan]

Hey Stan, how exactly do you usually call a BPFSL measurement official first thing in the morning? Do you take multiple measurements or just one and go by that? Just wondering as I want to go through the same process for tracking BPFSL. Looking forward to hearing from you mate

I always did 2-3 measurements in a row. Night wood and amount of sleep affect stretchability, especially in the morning, so you're always going to see some variability there, but when you see a higher reading than ever before it will most likely be a real gain. I still strongly suggest that you also measure after every stretching session though.

[maalem]

Hey Stan, how exactly do you usually call a BPFSL measurement official first thing in the morning? Do you take multiple measurements or just one and go by that? Just wondering as I want to go through the same process for tracking BPFSL. Looking forward to hearing from you mate

[Stan]

Were those erect front kegels you mentioned, not going all the way?

No, flaccid. The erect kegels I do are lighter and mostly for expanding the CS and the head.

Do you mean by front kegels, doing a "root lock" and sort of transitioning from that to a strong regular kegel that feels like it's going up the shaft ?

It's the other way around, I try to feel it in the head first, then down the shaft, in the BC, and eventually in the PC but still focusing on the BC and without losing the connection to the head. When I can do that and get that crunched up feeling in the BC it's a good kegel in my book but that feeling is nearly impossible to achieve these days, like the BC just can't be flexed hard enough.

[tspot180]

but on most days I still can't do proper front kegels the way I used to, they either feel like they don't go all the way up or like they don't extend all the way to the tip. EQ, sensitivity and turtling are clearly all related to that.

Were those erect front kegels you mentioned, not going all the way?
Do you mean by front kegels, doing a "root lock" and sort of transitioning from that to a strong regular kegel that feels like it's going up the shaft ? Or is the front kegel done without the regular kegel motion?

[Stan]

I think I went a little overboard with my maintenance routine the other day, felt one of those shifts and shot my EQ and sensitivity again. It's already getting better though.
The CS is still improving little by little, now I can feel some meat all along but still no real bulging in the last 2 inches or so.
I've had zero episodes of PF discomfort since I've stopped doing RKs, but on most days I still can't do proper front kegels the way I used to, they either feel like they don't go all the way up or like they don't extend all the way to the tip. EQ, sensitivity and turtling are clearly all related to that. I'm still experimenting with erect kegels, undecided on any positive effects yet but they don't seem to do any harm either.

[Stan]

So you mean measuring BPFSL after each session? I did that for the last 3 sessions today and I got the same measurement of 8" 7/16.

Make sure you pull really hard when measuring your BPFSL. Look at it as a stretching exercise in itself. You want to always get the absolute highest reading possible.
Try measuring first thing in the morning vs. late in the evening and see if there's a difference.

I currently have my sessions one hour away from each other. Should I bring them even closer if I don't see daily slight gains?

I thinik it's a good starting point.

Will do one ShockStretch of about 15 seconds before every LockStretch just to warm things up before each stretch.

You don't need 15 seconds, just yank it hard and fast a dozen times before every stretch. And straight out only, not even a bit below horizontal for now.

My EQ depends on the situation. When I am masturbating on my own I think I get an 8 or 9/10. However, when I am having sex EQ would be 10/10 like rock hard.

Good. Now you must prepare to be able to get to the same 10/10 while edging, that's how the EL gains will eventually materialize.

[maalem]

Thanks Stan Let's hope for the best!

- So you mean measuring BPFSL after each session? I did that for the last 3 sessions today and I got the same measurement of 8" 7/16. Then I added another session but I’ll probably do a couple more. That will be 9 sessions in total. Don't really get what you meant by slightly longer? I'm sorry man English is not my first language... Also, I currently have my sessions one hour away from each other. Should I bring them even closer if I don't see daily slight gains?

- Got it. Will do one ShockStretch of about 15 seconds before every LockStretch just to warm things up before each stretch.

- My EQ depends on the situation. When I am masturbating on my own I think I get an 8 or 9/10. However, when I am having sex EQ would be 10/10 like rock hard.

[Stan]

I will be doing it 5-6 times a day (3-5 min for each session)

Remember to measure your BPFSL constantly, it will tell you how many sessions you really need, and how to space them optimally.
You want to get a slightly longer measurement after each session, if you don't then bring the sessions closer together. When the measurement doesn't improve anymore do one more session and call it a day.

Each session includes one LockStretch with the right hand, one LockStretch with the left hand (~40-60 sec), one short, very intense LockStretch with both hands (~20 sec max) and two SockStretches (~15 sec each).

You should do the shock stretches before the lock stretches. Just a few of them right before every lock stretch will probably give you the best results.

All the stretching will be done straight out.

Good! You can go a little on the sides too, but definitely avoid any upward/downward stretches for now.

Would absolutely love it if you could keep an eye on it every once in a while if possible

I will!

Do you think I should be good with my current my routine?

Yes sounds good to me. How's your EQ currently? Remember you need 10/10 EQ if you hope to make measurable EL gains.

Are your casual stretches throughout the day done with the same intensity than the actual sessions? I am currently not doing those, maybe I should find a way to do them as a reflex?

Not nearly the same intensity because of the bad grip when I don't wash my hands prior to stretching. If you don't have a tendency to turtle then you probably don't need them, but they sure can't hurt.

Should I include Kegels each day? I don't see the point since I still haven't gained any BPFSL but I will incorporate them if you think it's very important.

If your EQ is 10/10 and your PF feels balanced (no discomfort, no pre-e issues) then you don't need them. There are no rules regarding kegels or reverse kegels, it's strictly a personal thing.

How long did it take you to notice a change in your BPFSL?

About two weeks IIRC.

I will probably have more questions for you, it's just that I don't have them all in my mind right now lol. Hope you don't mind me asking them!

Keep them coming, and good luck on your adventure