Women: How much girth is too much?

[HailEros Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HailEros]

Hi PSN85. I just wanted to chime in and commend you on how you're handling all this negativity and skepticism. Don't let it bother you. When I first joined, I was attacked in the same way, after a comment I made on a health/fitness post about how I gained an extraordinary amount of muscle mass in a short amount of time. Some people just want to downgrade you any way they can, probably because of their own insecurities. But there are a lot of good and helpful people on the site.
I know I'm just another guy with an opinion, which isn't what you initially asked for, but I think some people have already nailed the truth; different females will have different preferences and a lot of variables go into that particular equation. If you want to know whether or not getting bigger is a good idea, just talk it over with your partner, maybe label it a "hypothetical" conversation if you don't want to mention PE. I agree that experience with more women is going to be your best indicator, but you've already mentioned that you aren't willing to do that, so you must have some pretty strong feelings for your girl, which is why SHE is the one you need to discuss preferences with.
Also, I'd like to add that Shane Diesel is probably not any larger than you. People apparently don't realize that he, like Mandingo, probably isn't a very big guy overall. He's probably not as small a Mandingo, but I'd say he's well under six feet tall. As far as Shorty Mac, I definitely don't think he's eight inches in girth OR length. Someone earlier mentioned seeing him in a video where the actresses can pretty much fit their hand all the way around. I've seen several of those as well.

[PNS85 Member Find all posts View Profile Close PNS85]

I didn't say she could wrap her hand around it, but she got close, just like you were close in your pics and we are to assume she has a smaller hand being a female and you have already mentioned how you've not got a small hand for a male. I'm going to send you a video of what I saw because I can't post porn vids on here I believe.

I replied in a PM, but I'll just say the same here really quick:

I don't know what to say, the chick in that scene must just have freakishly large hands or something. In almost every scene with him the girl doesn't come close to wrapping her hand around it. Although no one has verified Shorty Mac's girth precisely, we know Shane Diesel is exactly 7" in girth because of his dildo, and if you watch a scene with both Shorty Mac and Shane Diesel (there are a few out there) you can really tell how much thicker he is. I'd say 8" is a good estimate, but there's no way to know for sure.

Most women who answer here are in relationships with men who are members here, and have not ever experienced that kind of girth to give you a solid answer. If your partner likes it then what's the concern?

My concern is that if I experiment with PE and have any girth gains, even if my current partner enjoys it, I'm afraid that I may be limiting my future options in the event that my current relationship doesn't work out. I wouldn't want to be less enjoyable or worse, painful, to any partners I may have in the future.

narrow shaft is why it slips in easy for you. normally larger girth has some width to it at lest 2.5 to 2.75 width for 7" girth

You realize that this makes no sense right? I understand that it may make you feel better to think that my penis has a "narrow shaft" despite having 7" in girth, but that's not how reality works. Circumference = Width x Pi. It's stuff we all learned in high school... It would be impossible to have more or less width with the same girth. They are directly proportional to one-another.

Perhaps you mean that I am closer to being perfectly "cylindrical" than some other thick penises out there. Shane Diesel for example is definitely more oval shaped - he's got more "horizontal girth" and less "vertical girth" if that makes sense. But implying that my penis slips in more easily because the girth is closer to being circular doesn't really make sense to me either. That would imply that the vagina could more easily stretch vertically than horizontally which seems unlikely, and besides, in certain positions (i.e. with the woman on her side and the man holding one of her legs up) the penis is going to enter "sideways" in the woman's vagina from her perspective. By your logic Shane Diesel would have less trouble with positions like this and I'd have more trouble with them, which really doesn't make sense to me either.

Whether girth is more circular or oval-shaped I really don't think matters, and in any case the relationship between width and circumference is directly proportional.

Hiya PNS85 and welcome to the Gym!

I appreciate your request to have the women on this site respond to your inquiry but it is really rather moot. All we can give you is our personal opinion and experience which is unlikely to help with your decision as you will not be having sex with us.

Haha... I certainly wasn't posting here to try and get female members interested in having sex with me. As I've said a few times, I'm in a good relationship right now and not looking for sex anywhere else in real life, much less on the internet.

And thanks for your warm welcome!

The vagina is an adaptable little thing. Most are designed to accommodate a man's penis in all its various sizes and shapes. Therefore, from a purely anatomical perspective, the vagina can adjust to larger girth.

Think about it, the average circumference of a newborn baby's head is around 14 inches (35cm) and the vagina is capable of accommodating that width -albeit with great discomfort -but it is anatomically possible.

Now, just because a woman's vagina CAN adjust to a man with larger girth doesn't mean she WANTS to. It will all come down to her personal preference. Which brings me to my next point; the comfort and enjoyment of a man's girth is highly subjective and will vary from woman to woman. Some women enjoy the little nip of pain from a larger girth, others not at all.

However, it should be noted that with continuous sex with the same partner, the vagina of a woman because of its elasticity will eventually acclimate to the penis size of her lover - small, average or large.

All of this makes perfect sense, and I'm very much inclined to agree with you. So the message I'm taking away from this is that if I'm ever single and "sleeping around" I may encounter plenty of women who would find my girth uncomfortable, but if I meet "someone special" and end up in another long-term relationship she's likely to adapt to my size over time and find it pleasurable, even if it was uncomfortable for her at first. Does this statement basically coincide with what you're saying?

So when it comes to deciding whether or not to increase your girth PNS85, rather than waste time determining the "perfect" size for every woman (I'll let you in on a secret, there isn't one), why not instead focus on what feels best for you and go with that?

Oh I know that there's no "perfect" size for every woman. I never meant to imply that I was searching for such a size. I definitely feel confident enough with my current size, but as I've said, I'm kinda curious about PE since I had written off all penis enlargement as BS long ago, and only recently discovered (on this site mostly) that a lot of it is actually legitimate. So I'm definitely not "searching for the perfect size". Rather, I'm trying to make sure that I can actually try out PE (to the extent that feels best for myself as you said) without worrying about gaining girth and causing discomfort or pain to my future partners, or much worse, eventually meet someone I want to marry and have her experience discomfort or pain during sex for the rest of our lives...

In other words, I'm not exploring PE for the sake of the enjoyment of my current partner or future partners. I've said a few times that I don't think girth even matters that much to women, and that it's usually a lot more relative than absolute to you (females). I'm trying to view it exactly as you suggested - just doing what feels best for me. However, since it's been implied all over the place that even my current girth is "too much" for a lot of women, I don't want to risk damaging my future sex life by being less pleasurable or even painful to future partners if I explore PE.

That's essentially the question I'm trying to get answered here: Could exploring PE potentially damage my future sex life since my girth is already 7" before any PE, or do you think that any committed partner could adapt and feel only pleasure without any pain or discomfort eventually?

Hi PSN85. I just wanted to chime in and commend you on how you're handling all this negativity and skepticism. Don't let it bother you. When I first joined, I was attacked in the same way, after a comment I made on a health/fitness post about how I gained an extraordinary amount of muscle mass in a short amount of time. Some people just want to downgrade you any way they can, probably because of their own insecurities. But there are a lot of good and helpful people on the site.

Thank you. You're right, there are plenty of friendly and helpful people here too. I'm really not letting the negativity get to me. :-)

I know I'm just another guy with an opinion, which isn't what you initially asked for, but I think some people have already nailed the truth; different females will have different preferences and a lot of variables go into that particular equation. If you want to know whether or not getting bigger is a good idea, just talk it over with your partner, maybe label it a "hypothetical" conversation if you don't want to mention PE. I agree that experience with more women is going to be your best indicator, but you've already mentioned that you aren't willing to do that, so you must have some pretty strong feelings for your girl, which is why SHE is the one you need to discuss preferences with.

I've already talked it over with my partner actually. She's totally cool with me exploring it and thinks she could handle more girth without an issue. I'm not sure how much of this thread you've already read so I'll repeat a few things here. She's actually already taken a dildo which was more girthy than me. We don't have it anymore and I never measured it, but I'd estimate it was probably 7.5" in girth or so, and she didn't experience any pain or discomfort from it. I'm really not worried about damaging my sex life with her. In fact, I feel pretty sure I could gain a lot of girth without a problem. She may experience either the same amount of pleasure or more pleasure from it, who knows, but I'm fairly certain I can gain quite a bit before she'll feel discomfort or less pleasure.

I don't really want to get into personal relationship details, but the fact is that as much as I love my girlfriend and want things to work out, for reasons I'd rather not elaborate on, there's a real possibility that they won't. I'm afraid that if I start doing PE regularly while we're together because she doesn't feel pain or discomfort from my potential gains, and then eventually things don't work out between us, that I'll have screwed myself over for future casual partners and/or future committed relationships. I really enjoy pleasuring my partner during sex. I've said it a few times before in this thread but I'll say it again - the biggest turn on for me during sex is when I can tell how much my partner is truly enjoying it. I don't want to be in a situation in the future where the majority of my partners are experiencing discomfort or pain to the point that it makes sex less pleasurable for them. That's what I'm trying to figure out here before I try out any PE.

Also, I'd like to add that Shane Diesel is probably not any larger than you. People apparently don't realize that he, like Mandingo, probably isn't a very big guy overall. He's probably not as small a Mandingo, but I'd say he's well under six feet tall. As far as Shorty Mac, I definitely don't think he's eight inches in girth OR length. Someone earlier mentioned seeing him in a video where the actresses can pretty much fit their hand all the way around. I've seen several of those as well.

Agree.

[TPW Senior Member Member of the Month Oct 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close TPW]

Hey PNS85,

Please know I was only making a point when I made the sex remark as I know you were not really trying to hook up here.

Now regarding you current question...yes, I do believe that going above and beyond your current 7" inch girth could actually cause sexual issues for both a potential partner as well as yourself. Here's why:

When considering girth, whereas the vagina is adaptable due to its elasticity, a woman's mouth or anus is not. Therefore, if receiving oral sex or engaging in anal play is really important to you and your partner, then you may want to reconsider your goals. At your current girth, it is highly likely that problems will already occur in these areas. Does this makes sense?

[PNS85 Member Find all posts View Profile Close PNS85]

Please know I was only making a point when I made the sex remark as I know you were not really trying to hook up here.

I knew you weren't implying that at all, but I thought I should clarify mainly so others didn't interpret it that way.

Now regarding you current question...yes, I do believe that going above and beyond your current 7" inch girth could actually cause sexual issue for both a potential partner and yourself. Here's why:

When considering girth, whereas the vagina is adaptable due to its elasticity, a woman's mouth or anus is not. Therefore, if receiving oral sex or engaging in anal play is really important to you and your partner, then you may want to reconsider your goals. At your current girth, it is highly likely that problems will already occur in these areas. Does this makes sense?

Yes, this definitely makes sense. I've always had an issue with oral anyway. None of my partners have been able to sustain a blowjob for very long, and oral usually becomes more like tongue, lips, and hands anyway. It's a fun part of foreplay, but actual blow jobs are already not very exciting for me as is, so frankly I don't think I'd be losing much in that department if I gained more girth.

As far as anal, my current girlfriend is the only one I've done anal with and while she did claim to get very intense orgasms from it, she's not interested very often because of practical reasons. She says it's hard for her to hold her bowel movements for the next 24 hours or so (obviously annoying when driving or at work or whatever)... we've only done anal about 10 times or so over the course of 7 years, so I really wouldn't be losing much in that department anyway. Anal is somewhat exciting because it's a rare experience for me, but beyond the rarity of it I can definitely say I enjoy vaginal intercourse a lot more anyway. Going from having anal once a year or so to never having it would honestly not be that big of a deal to me.

So oral and anal are already very limited for me, but vaginal really isn't at all. It seems like you're implying that I could gain more girth and it would basically be the same - my current limitations with oral and anal would still be there, but you don't seem to think I'd have a problem with vaginal intercourse if I gained more girth. Perhaps I'll try out some PE then as it seems I wouldn't be losing much beyond what I never really had in the first place.

[TPW Senior Member Member of the Month Oct 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close TPW]

I knew you weren't implying that at all, but I thought I should clarify mainly so others didn't interpret it that way.



Yes, this definitely makes sense. I've always had an issue with oral anyway. None of my partners have been able to sustain a blowjob for very long, and oral usually becomes more like tongue, lips, and hands anyway. It's a fun part of foreplay, but actual blow jobs are already not very exciting for me as is, so frankly I don't think I'd be losing much in that department if I gained more girth.

As far as anal, my current girlfriend is the only one I've done anal with and while she did claim to get very intense orgasms from it, she's not interested very often because of practical reasons. She says it's hard for her to hold her bowel movements for the next 24 hours or so (obviously annoying when driving or at work or whatever)... we've only done anal about 10 times or so over the course of 7 years, so I really wouldn't be losing much in that department anyway. Anal is somewhat exciting because it's a rare experience for me, but beyond the rarity of it I can definitely say I enjoy vaginal intercourse a lot more anyway. Going from having anal once a year or so to never having it would honestly not be that big of a deal to me.

So oral and anal are already very limited for me, but vaginal really isn't at all. It seems like you're implying that I could gain more girth and it would basically be the same - my current limitations with oral and anal would still be there, but you don't seem to think I'd have a problem with vaginal intercourse if I gained more girth. Perhaps I'll try out some PE then as it seems I wouldn't be losing much beyond what I never really had in the first place.

Hey PNS85,

I just wanted to leave you with something to think about before you embark on your PE journey. Although, you mentioned that oral sex and anal sex are not really a bit deal for you; you may want to keep in mind that it may be a very big deal for your future gal. If she enjoys performing oral sex (and yes, there are those of us that do) or engaging in anal sex, increasing your girth to more than your current 7" will undoubtedly remove (or at least greatly restrict) those options from her sexual play. Is that really what you want to happen? Remember, partnered sex is just that...partnered. Which means the sexual satisfaction of both parties should be considered don't you think?

[seanyboy Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close seanyboy]

PNS85, I hate to dwell on this, but you keep repeating it, so I feel I got to address it. Shane looks much thicker than 7". Nonetheless, just because his dildo is claimed to be 7" (though sometimes even of the claims of the retail outlets that sell it aren't accurate), doesn't make this proof positive that he's actually 7. Keep in mind that the dude wants to sell his product and wants to sell as many as he can. Maybe the guy is girthier than most women can handle, so they reduced the size of the dildo to make it more marketable... accommodating to a lot more women.

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Shane is thicker than 7". There's no doubt on that. Saw the video when a girl measured his girth. It was 7.25" and it wasn't even measured at his thickest place... Shane is probably around 7.5" if you look at the thickest point of his penis.

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When I look at most of the girls holding it, it looks as big as a soda can. It's got be somewhere around 7.5-8" being that a soda can is 8.25.

[akaTrex Senior Member Member of the Month Jan 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close akaTrex]

And I thought this was the "Women's Perspective" forum!

Yawn!

[Steneo Senior MemberPEGym Hero Member of the Month Dec 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close Steneo]

And I thought this was the "Women's Perspective" forum!

Yawn!

LOL, no kidding! SO! Are you gonna do some girth gaining PE or not PNS85?

[Brandon85 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Brandon85]

Okay y'all...

I didn't get through the entire thread as it is really late and I haven't been on here for a while. So I thought I would just do a quick check in.

I remember the very first post here in PEGym. It was about length more than anything. I was insecure about my length and was thinking about increasing it. I noticed that people put their stats up. So I took out the measuring ribbon (gf doesn't know I used it for that purpose ) and took my measurements.

I measured 7" length which I thought was just above average...which made me happy. And measured girth...or as I have always thought was 'circumference'.

Anyway, I measured 7", which is the same as my wrist. I thought absolutely nothing of it. Average, maybe a little more.

I had no clue whatsoever that girth was such an important and touchy subject. I always thought a mans insecurity of his penis was solely about his length.

The barrage of disbelief and downright calling me a liar was incredulous. Really? A 7" around penis makes everyone go ape shit? Calling me a liar. Calling me out. Demanding. Yes, demanding pictures to prove to all those non believers.

I don't get it.

If he is lying. He is only lying to himself. Whoop dee frickin do.

If he is telling that truth. Answer whatever question he may be asking.

As for sex.

My girl loves having sex with my 7" girth cock. Can't get enough of it. Not because it is fat as my wrist (and hers) but because she loves me deeply. Super deeply.

Soreness? Go slow. Let her vagina stretch as you advance slowly in.

Make sure she is super wet or use a lot of lube.

Super down side of a 7" thick cock? No anal. She has allowed me to try anal once. Never got inside of her. And now, she doesn't want to try anal again because she feels it will ruin her rectum.

Blowjobs? She now has a very painful TMJ problem from trying to giving me a blowjob. She sees a joint specialist because of me. I don't know how she does it. My cock head gets about 1\3 into a toilet paper tube. I then try and put the toilet roll into my mouth. Doesn't fit. Not even close. You girls do sacrifice a lot for us guys!!!

[MySword Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MySword]

Okay y'all...

I didn't get through the entire thread as it is really late and I haven't been on here for a while. So I thought I would just do a quick check in.

I remember the very first post here in PEGym. It was about length more than anything. I was insecure about my length and was thinking about increasing it. I noticed that people put their stats up. So I took out the measuring ribbon (gf doesn't know I used it for that purpose ) and took my measurements.

I measured 7" length which I thought was just above average...which made me happy. And measured girth...or as I have always thought was 'circumference'.

Anyway, I measured 7", which is the same as my wrist. I thought absolutely nothing of it. Average, maybe a little more.

I had no clue whatsoever that girth was such an important and touchy subject. I always thought a mans insecurity of his penis was solely about his length.

The barrage of disbelief and downright calling me a liar was incredulous. Really? A 7" around penis makes everyone go ape shit? Calling me a liar. Calling me out. Demanding. Yes, demanding pictures to prove to all those non believers.

I don't get it.

If he is lying. He is only lying to himself. Whoop dee frickin do.

If he is telling that truth. Answer whatever question he may be asking.

As for sex.

My girl loves having sex with my 7" girth cock. Can't get enough of it. Not because it is fat as my wrist (and hers) but because she loves me deeply. Super deeply.

Soreness? Go slow. Let her vagina stretch as you advance slowly in.

Make sure she is super wet or use a lot of lube.

Super down side of a 7" thick cock? No anal. She has allowed me to try anal once. Never got inside of her. And now, she doesn't want to try anal again because she feels it will ruin her rectum.

Blowjobs? She now has a very painful TMJ problem from trying to giving me a blowjob. She sees a joint specialist because of me. I don't know how she does it. My cock head gets about 1\3 into a toilet paper tube. I then try and put the toilet roll into my mouth. Doesn't fit. Not even close. You girls do sacrifice a lot for us guys!!!

Well said Brandon. I'm nowhere near 7in girth but sadly my girl has very small mouth plus hands so watching her give a blow job is almost painful. But she still tries and I love her for it!

She also has had only a few much smaller partners so sex is a go slow prospect. Also she is worried about ever trying anal (and I've been refused before to) because of my dick being 'too fat'. U 7in girth guys must have to be very careful with ur ladies..

[MovingUp Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MovingUp]

Actually PNS there was a thread describing exactly that, that the vagina doesn't stretch as well sideways as it does vertically, not sure where it is though.

[NCGUY1972 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close NCGUY1972]

Actually PNS there was a thread describing exactly that, that the vagina doesn't stretch as well sideways as it does vertically, not sure where it is though.

Id believe that. If she is on her side and I straddle her leg with one of her legs over my shoulder my left curve becomes an upward curve and my penis is wider than it is depth and it slides right in very easy kinda feels like putting a key in a lock like that perfect fit where as I feel much more friction inserting with her on her back

[Brandon85 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Brandon85]

So, pending any more responses from the ladies... do you guys have any ideas as to why everyone seems to think that my current girth is already too much for "most women" even though in my personal experience it hasn't felt that way at all?

From someone with the same girth, though not length, as yours.

I have had only one woman who didn't complain about my size and didn't refuse to take me inside of her...and that was the girl who took my virginity.

I had zero idea on what I was doing.

She put me inside of her and everything.

All I did was trying to figure out how to thrust etc. no clue.

I was so nervous, it was hard for me to cum. Finally, she uttered the death words 'are you done yet.' Or 'are you going to cum yet'.

Well, so much for cumming.

I stopped and took me out of her.

She doubled over in pain. Holding her stomach region.

No clue on my end that I could have been hurting her.

So, how that for a fizzle losing virginity story? And for unknowingly hurting someone with an excessively thick cock at the same time?