The Official Hard Flaccid Recovery Thread

[mikecares Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mikecares]

I don't discount voodoo's input, but to say it is totally mental is wrong, it may be for some and for others it will be only physical, for the rest it will be combining factors of both.

I have a strong physiotherapy background unlike most of the the posters I have seen posting. Take back pain for example: There is a lot of research with back pain and psychological aspects related to back pain. Psychological aspects can increase perceived back pain and prevent people from starting a rehab program due to being scared of further re-injuring themselves, but the actual road to recovery STARTS with physical therapy. PHysical therapy is the cornerstone to any injury rehabilitation. Mechanical loading of tissue causes that tissue to become more resilient and adaptive to stress. This in turn leads to more functionality and better recovery. Adopting a positive mindset will make individuals more likely to adhere to a exercise program, but simply being positive does not rid you of your injury or chronic symptoms.

[VoodooChild Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close VoodooChild]

You guys can do what you want. And no obitoo does not theorize that it is due to trigger points (he states that trigger points are yet another symptom). I have talked to him again recently and he also agrees that this is related to the nervous system and mental states as does Eric Robins who is probably the most knowledgeable urologist out there. He prescribes TRE to his chronic pelvic pain patients. Obitoo agrees that you have to get your head out of this to ever fully heal.

Here's the thing fellas, the pelvic floor and all the muscles that make up your sexual health are naturally designed to retract when the nervous system fires up. The problem is that you have now become afraid of your own body's natural defense mechanism, and that very fear is retriggering it over and over. Until you become comfortable with this natural mechanism you will never know the other side of HF. You can do as much physical therapy as you want which is great and all (I do restorative exercise because it's just flat out good for your body and I like to be haelthy) but so long as you have not gotten comfortable in your body amidst the discomfort your body will not let this go. It will continue to think something is wrong because ultimately YOU think something is wrong. This is a reaction happening in your subconscious, as in your reptilian brain. Until you, up there in your neocortex, gets comfortable with the situation it will not go away.

You can speculate and rationalize for years about this or you can take my two cents and run with it. Stop thinking about your dick. Get your head out of the equation. Be healthy. Go live your life. Do TRE to mellow out your nervous system. Having sexual issues is traumatic. The longer you have this and don't deal with it, the more susceptible you will be to more debilitating mental problems.

Stop checking the state of your penis. Stop freaking out. Whatever physical damage has been done can't heal itself until you calm down anyways. The body does not do well in perpetual states of fight/flight or freeze mode. So it's literally not worth giving any amount of mental attention other than to work in a few extra healthy habits into your life.

If you don't do this because it sounds too "irrational" and not enough of a materialistic "cure" to you then you are going to waste years building up an ego that is attaching to the idea that you have a fucked up dick and and that is not EVER going to serve you. Not now and not in the future. Your body will learn to fear your own sexuality and you will have a whole other mountain to climb.

Work on your life. Work n your confidence. And work on your presence. Be healthy that's great. But don't do it out fear that something is wrong. You're gonna fuck yourself if you go that way and it will take years instead of months to recover from losing your sexual function.

Face your internal feelings of fear and anxiety and worry and dis-ease everywhere you go. Do that and your balls will drop like a motherfucker. Man up. Your body is waiting for you to give it the green light to calm down. Watch your thoughts. Are you at ease or are you speculating? Your body sure knows. Do you though? That's the thing. You're out of touch.

For those who lost their functioning over night through an injury or whatever, that's a trauma to the body. It needs time to rest and regenerate. But in order to do so it needs you to go about your life, not freak out, and just be normal. For those who got in this situation over time it's the same thing. The physical problems will heal themselves. Yes, PT is helpful if you've been harboring tension for a long time or using your body incorrectly. But that is not the root if this has become chronic for you.

Also realize most of you have probably been overmasturbating for years. That's traumatic to the body because it can't keep up. So one day it's finally just like, NO, NO MORE. And you have HF all fucking day and you freak out. Just listen to your body. It needs a break. Give it a break. Let your sexual vitality come back to you. Don't chase it. This thread is like a bunch of hamsters on a wheel trying to get to the food right in front of the wheel and you just churn and churn and churn and can never quite get there. GET OFF THE WHEEL!!!! GET OFF THE FORUM!!!! And you can gracefully walk over to scrumptious pile of food you've been trying so hard to get to. IT'S RIGHT THERE!

Remember EVERY GUY HAS HAD HARD FLACCID at some point in their lives. It's a biological adrenaline response. The body is made to withdraw energy from the reproductive organs at certain times. But the confident ones don't pay it any mind because they don't have even the slightest doubt in their sexual functioning. I've talked to a lot of friends about this. You should do the same. Ask some good friend if his dick ever turtles up and he will say yes. The problem is you have now attached a large emotional fear around this bodily reaction and you are now caught in a feedback loop.

Most of you all probably have either OCD issues or anxiety issues to some extent or another which is what made you susceptible to this. I'm telling you though you gotta do some TRE and keep on doing it. Other than that just live your life. Your body will heal. It needs you to get your head out of it. The mind cannot heal this through endless speculation. That only strengthens the ego problems which will make this recovery take that much longer.

I'm not posting anymore for a few days at least. I made the website for a reason.

Much love guys. I hope you find your way.

voodoo

[mikecares Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mikecares]

You guys can do what you want. And no obitoo does not theorize that it is due to trigger points (he states that trigger points are yet another symptom). I have talked to him again recently and he also agrees that this is related to the nervous system and mental states as does Eric Robins who is probably the most knowledgeable urologist out there. He prescribes TRE to his chronic pelvic pain patients. Obitoo agrees that you have to get your head out of this to ever fully heal.

Here's the thing fellas, the pelvic floor and all the muscles that make up your sexual health are naturally designed to retract when the nervous system fires up. The problem is that you have now become afraid of your own body's natural defense mechanism, and that very fear is retriggering it over and over. Until you become comfortable with this natural mechanism you will never know the other side of HF. You can do as much physical therapy as you want which is great and all (I do restorative exercise because it's just flat out good for your body and I like to be haelthy) but so long as you have not gotten comfortable in your body amidst the discomfort your body will not let this go. It will continue to think something is wrong because ultimately YOU think something is wrong. This is a reaction happening in your subconscious, as in your reptilian brain. Until you, up there in your neocortex, gets comfortable with the situation it will not go away.

You can speculate and rationalize for years about this or you can take my two cents and run with it. Stop thinking about your dick. Get your head out of the equation. Be healthy. Go live your life. Do TRE to mellow out your nervous system. Having sexual issues is traumatic. The longer you have this and don't deal with it, the more susceptible you will be to more debilitating mental problems.

Stop checking the state of your penis. Stop freaking out. Whatever physical damage has been done can't heal itself until you calm down anyways. The body does not do well in perpetual states of fight/flight or freeze mode. So it's literally not worth giving any amount of mental attention other than to work in a few extra healthy habits into your life.

If you don't do this because it sounds too "irrational" and not enough of a materialistic "cure" to you then you are going to waste years building up an ego that is attaching to the idea that you have a fucked up dick and and that is not EVER going to serve you. Not now and not in the future. Your body will learn to fear your own sexuality and you will have a whole other mountain to climb.

Work on your life. Work n your confidence. And work on your presence. Be healthy that's great. But don't do it out fear that something is wrong. You're gonna fuck yourself if you go that way and it will take years instead of months to recover from losing your sexual function.

Face your internal feelings of fear and anxiety and worry and dis-ease everywhere you go. Do that and your balls will drop like a motherfucker. Man up. Your body is waiting for you to give it the green light to calm down. Watch your thoughts. Are you at ease or are you speculating? Your body sure knows. Do you though? That's the thing. You're out of touch.

For those who lost their functioning over night through an injury or whatever, that's a trauma to the body. It needs time to rest and regenerate. But in order to do so it needs you to go about your life, not freak out, and just be normal. For those who got in this situation over time it's the same thing. The physical problems will heal themselves. Yes, PT is helpful if you've been harboring tension for a long time or using your body incorrectly. But that is not the root if this has become chronic for you.

Remember EVERY GUY HAS HAD HARD FLACCID at some point in their lives. It's a biological adrenaline response. The body is made to withdraw energy from the reproductive organs at certain times. But the confident ones don't pay it any mind because they don't have even the slightest doubt in their sexual functioning. I've talked to a lot of friends about this. You should do the same. Ask some good friend if his dick ever turtles up and he will say yes. The problem is you have now attached a large emotional fear around this bodily reaction and you are now caught in a feedback loop.

Most of you all probably have either OCD issues or anxiety issues to some extent or another which is what made you susceptible to this. I'm telling you though you gotta do some TRE and keep on doing it. Other than that just live your life. Your body will heal. It needs you to get your head out of it. The mind cannot heal this through endless speculation. That only strengthens the ego problems which will make this recovery take that much longer.

I'm not posting anymore for a few days at least. I made the website for a reason.

Much love guys. I hope you find your way.

voodoo

Sorry man, but extremely pseudo-scientific approach. I agree that a positive mindset is key, but every stage in an injury has a grieving process to it - the more serve, the more severe the grieving process is. The body heals regardless of how stressed you are. People who tear their MCLs and get surgery go through extreme phases of depression, but they still increase function because of rehab and exercise. I've had chronic back pain and would get so stressed from it but I still got better because I did the exercises and functionality increased, which caused a reduction in my psychological symptoms. The best thing is to try and find an exercise/rehab approach to improve functionally. Improved functionality = improved mood and state.

[VoodooChild Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close VoodooChild]

Which is why I recommend Restorative Exercise and a healthy diet. They help with symptoms. TRE/yoga nidra however will actually heal he chronic aspect of this.

Sexual dysfunction is different from a knee or back injury. You don't need the right state of mind to walk around the block. You do need the right state of mind to have sex. It's apples and oranges.

And no, the body does not always heal no matter how stressed you are. There are certain things that are dependent upon you reducing your stress in order for complete healing to happen. That's why there is such a thing as chronic pain.

I'm not going to argue with you. There's no point. You must walk your own path. I had to. Obitoo had to. Stevieee had to. Everyone has to walk their own path. I just hope you will open up your mind and consider taking at least some advice from someone who has healed after 11 long years of dealing with this.

peace
voodoo

[mikecares Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mikecares]

Are you 100% healed?

Yes, the body does heal regardless of stress. There is a difference between HEALING and RECOVERY. Please understand that. Healing is the restructuring of damaged tissues. No tissues in the body take longer then 1 year to heal (nerves may never heal, but this is debatable). Then there is RECOVERY, which is functionality related. You can improve functionality even if you are not healed 100%. E.g. you can run on a broken foot after 3 months even though it might only be 75% healed. Also, chronic pain has nothing to do with HEALING. ZERO. The structure has already healed in chronic cases. The reason people have chronic pain is because the brain keeps sending out signals to the area that was damaged that there is still something wrong...the only way you "reduce" these signals is through a graded exercise program. Exercise reduces the strength of pain pathways from brain to the site you injured and exercise also releases pain reducing chemicals.

I will try Restorative exercise. But posture is not a problem for me. I also juice vegetables and fruits daily. My goal is to really find out if this is a penis injury or pelvic floor problem.

[longerlastingnoob Senior Member Member of the Month Jan 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close longerlastingnoob]

A member here had hf for around 2 years, he was of the mindset of most, anxious stresse, freaking out. 3 weeks into his pelvic floor routine he saw improvements, his attitude completely changed and I think if I'm correct within 4 or 5 months was hf free and has been ever since. He improved physically and so psychological improvement followed.
That''s one example of it working the opposite way, no one is wrong, but no one way is completely right.

[mikecares Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mikecares]

What was his name?

[longerlastingnoob Senior Member Member of the Month Jan 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close longerlastingnoob]

Mekit9 I think, he hasn't been active for about 3 months but I'll pm him and see

[VoodooChild Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close VoodooChild]

Yep and that's how David McCoid healed, through Restorative Exercise (purely physical). He did it long enough to reverse the mental side of things. But the root of the chronic aspect is not physical. It's rooted in the nervous system and how it is responding to your mental/emotional state. That's all I'm saying.

Again, that's why I recommend both sides of the recovery path simultaneously for best results. I say that in my videos as well.

And yes, by my definition I am 100% healed. I can have very pleasurable sex for the first time in my life and I don't have HF.

[HCB14 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HCB14]

I have a strong physiotherapy background unlike most of the the posters I have seen posting. Take back pain for example: There is a lot of research with back pain and psychological aspects related to back pain. Psychological aspects can increase perceived back pain and prevent people from starting a rehab program due to being scared of further re-injuring themselves, but the actual road to recovery STARTS with physical therapy. PHysical therapy is the cornerstone to any injury rehabilitation. Mechanical loading of tissue causes that tissue to become more resilient and adaptive to stress. This in turn leads to more functionality and better recovery. Adopting a positive mindset will make individuals more likely to adhere to a exercise program, but simply being positive does not rid you of your injury or chronic symptoms.

Look at it like this.

Hard flaccid is a result of a tight pelvic floor. Your body's natural reaction to stress and anxiety is to automatically contract the pelvic floor muscles. If you get HF due to physical causes such as excessive masturbation (people who "clench" while masturbating), or doing too many kegels (like me), your pelvic floor will remain tight as long as you're constantly stressed about it. Why? Because even if you are doing exercises to loosen the pelvic floor muscles, they'll automatically go back to being tight if you're stressed out all the time.

So, if you loosen the pelvic floor muscles through exercises, along with eliminating stress and anxiety through whatever method you please (best way I found was distracting myself and forgetting about it), your pelvic floor will have the opportunity to remain in a relaxed state. Do this for a long enough time, and eventually the tight pelvic floor muscles should return to normal.

In my case, I think a catheter + laying in a hospital bed for over a week all happy on pain killers, watching TV/fucking around on my phone, and not thinking about my dick whatsoever, was the nail in the coffin for my tight pelvic floor (which had already gotten much better by that point, just by stretching my pelvic floor and not stressing about it).

[mikecares Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mikecares]

Look at it like this.

Hard flaccid is a result of a tight pelvic floor. Your body's natural reaction to stress and anxiety is to automatically contract the pelvic floor muscles. If you get HF due to physical causes such as excessive masturbation (people who "clench" while masturbating), or doing too many kegels (like me), your pelvic floor will remain tight as long as you're constantly stressed about it. Why? Because even if you are doing exercises to loosen the pelvic floor muscles, they'll automatically go back to being tight if you're stressed out all the time.

So, if you loosen the pelvic floor muscles through exercises, along with eliminating stress and anxiety through whatever method you please (best way I found was distracting myself and forgetting about it), your pelvic floor will have the opportunity to remain in a relaxed state. Do this for a long enough time, and eventually the tight pelvic floor muscles should return to normal.

In my case, I think a catheter + laying in a hospital bed for over a week all happy on pain killers, watching TV/fucking around on my phone, and not thinking about my dick whatsoever, was the nail in the coffin for my tight pelvic floor (which had already gotten much better by that point, just by stretching my pelvic floor and not stressing about it).

why have so many pplz with hard flaccid gone to pelvic physios and seen no progress then? I think there must be some tissue damage that requires months of healing as well. Not sure tho...seems very complicated

[HCB14 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HCB14]

why have so many pplz with hard flaccid gone to pelvic physios and seen no progress then? I think there must be some tissue damage that requires months of healing as well. Not sure tho...seems very complicated

Probably because they're still stressed about it. They can go to a physio and get things loosened up, but once they leave they start stressing again, and their pelvic floor muscles go back to being tight.

[longerlastingnoob Senior Member Member of the Month Jan 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close longerlastingnoob]

https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...-thats-me.html

https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...r-balance.html

https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...se-kegels.html
The last one is the best in my opinion, medative reverse kegels. Deep squats and general stretches ( or yoga stretches ) are good accompaniments for pf routines

[mikecares Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mikecares]

https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...-thats-me.html

https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...r-balance.html

https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...se-kegels.html
The last one is the best in my opinion, medative reverse kegels. Deep squats and general stretches ( or yoga stretches ) are good accompaniments for pf routines

The sad thing is I've been doing a lot of these over the last year just for overall healthy sexual health. Reverse legals, front and back reverse kegals, normal kegals. Maybe this means I will recover faster, but who knows.

[longerlastingnoob Senior Member Member of the Month Jan 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close longerlastingnoob]

Stick at them, should do a 70/30 rk to k routine, or cut out kegels completely until you see more solid improvement. And definitely include stretching and squats.