The Official Hard Flaccid Recovery Thread

[VoodooChild Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close VoodooChild]

The body won't let go till the body wants to let go. All you can do is work on giving it as much chance to do so as possible.

I don't have peyronies. If you read the thread you will realize that once I finally got an ultra sound they found no scar tissue. I just thought I had it because a doctor told me that's probably what it is if I have curvature. Curvature has gotten much better. Still not perfect but I'm functional so it doesn't really even bother me at this point.

So no, I do not have peyronies. Most guys here probably do not either. Just get an ultra sound to check for scar tissue if that will make you feel better.

Even if you have peyronies, you can reverse it. Guys you can fucking cure cancer through drinkng fruit and veggie juice! I'm not shitting you. Do your research. The body is capable of incredible things.

And it's quite simple to do the right things to put it in a healing state. You just gotta stop shitting yourselves and be proactive. Stop trolling the forums looking for a quick fix. There is none. Get your head together. Get your life together. Do TRE a couple times a week, yoga nidra a couple times a week, RE a few times a week. Eat healthier. Don't masturbate so damn much. Let your sexuality come back to you as your body allows it to do so. Staying in freak out mode is what freezes the healing process.

I apologize for the bluntness but I mean come on fellas. I have done so so much to try and help and it seems like it might just be a waste of my energy at this point. I really have nothing more to tell you. There is no secret trick to this. It's a matter of patience and diligence and learning to live your normal life again but healthier than before.

voodoo

[mikecares Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mikecares]

The body won't let go till the body wants to let go. All you can do is work on giving it as much chance to do so as possible.

I don't have peyronies. If you read the thread you will realize that once I finally got an ultra sound they found no scar tissue. I just thought I had it because a doctor told me that's probably what it is if I have curvature. Curvature has gotten much better. Still not perfect but I'm functional so it doesn't really even bother me at this point.

So no, I do not have peyronies. Most guys here probably do not either. Just get an ultra sound to check for scar tissue if that will make you feel better.

Even if you have peyronies, you can reverse it. Guys you can fucking cure cancer through drinkng fruit and veggie juice! I'm not shitting you. Do your research. The body is capable of incredible things.

And it's quite simple to do the right things to put it in a healing state. You just gotta stop shitting yourselves and be proactive. Stop trolling the forums looking for a quick fix. There is none. Get your head together. Get your life together. Do TRE a couple times a week, yoga nidra a couple times a week, RE a few times a week. Eat healthier. Don't masturbate so damn much. Let your sexuality come back to you as your body allows it to do so. Staying in freak out mode is what freezes the healing process.

I apologize for the bluntness but I mean come on fellas. I have done so so much to try and help and it seems like it might just be a waste of my energy at this point. I really have nothing more to tell you. There is no secret trick to this. It's a matter of patience and diligence and learning to live your normal life again but healthier than before.

voodoo

Isn't it possible it took you 10 years to recover because of nerve damage? Nerves may take a very long time to heal. Sometimes never. A lot of people with hard flaccid have loss sensitivity, which indicates some autonomic nerve damage. This may or may not heal regardless of what you do.

I agree though, its pointless reading forums after you've been on them or a few days. They destroy the body. You can only have patience and let time heal it.

[aceshigh1 Member Find all posts View Profile Close aceshigh1]

I think we just need to.trust what voodoo is saying. We can believe the people who pretend to know the answer (doctors) who haven't got it and just prescribe us ed pills....Or alternatively we can believe the guy who has battled it for ten years and clearly done a vast amount of research in the subject, and finAlly overcome his problem. Other people who have taken his advice have recovered. Worst care scenario we spend six months or whatever living this spiritual journey and at the end of it still have hard flaccid. But can guarantee our minds will be healthier and more.neutral. what's the big deal, at this point a lot of us have nothing to lose. Especially a time as we spend hours a day on these forums. Those hours could be spent doing true, re and yoga and actually living life. I have ultimate respect for voodoo we got to suck it up, except yoga isn't just for hippies ad Buddhists and go for it...for our own sanity.

[tomcruz Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tomcruz]

Voodoo is right. It is about pelvic floor only. I can feel my pelvic floor act weirdly. One thing I've noticed is when I spread my legs my pelvic floor feels much better. I've started doing tre for a month. Can't afford re right now. Hope tre & yoga nidra can improve it & I won't have to do re.

[VoodooChild Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close VoodooChild]

Isn't it possible it took you 10 years to recover because of nerve damage? Nerves may take a very long time to heal. Sometimes never. A lot of people with hard flaccid have loss sensitivity, which indicates some autonomic nerve damage. This may or may not heal regardless of what you do.

I agree though, its pointless reading forums after you've been on them or a few days. They destroy the body. You can only have patience and let time heal it.

No. For 9 years I never saw improvement mentally or physically, and in a lot of areas it only got worse on both fronts. It wasn't until a little over 2 years ago that I hit such a low point with my ego and life situation that I was willing to do anything to try to heal even if there was no CERTAINTY of whether or not it was possible. I just started going based off of faith and desire in order to research and find possible ways to induce a better physical/mental environment for my body to heal itself.

BTW, there are countless healing stories I have read where people regain sensitivity after severe nerve injuries. Ones where doctors said they would never walk again or see again or hear again etc. The body is incredible when it's put in the right states for healing itself. Look up Mitchell May's healing story. It's phenomenal. I myself have had little sensitivity for all these years and it has come back more than I ever thought it would. I also freaked out forever about the nerve injury thing. NOTHING IS WORTH FREAKING OUT ABOUT. IT DOES NO GOOD!

Here's the thing, it doesn't matter what IT IS. There are most likely variances between all of us but we also have so many similar symptoms and situations that got us here in the first place. So, to sit around, do nothing, and look for some kind of secret cure that a doctor can hand us is futile because we end up wasting valuable time that could be spent putting the body/mind/nervous system in a better position to heal itself. I mean, look at all the guys that have been to countless doctors...how many answers have we gotten from them even though they supposedly should have more knowledge than anyone in regard to sexual health? Pretty much ZERO. Nilch. Nada.

So what are you waiting for? Why not take the advice of people who have seen huge improvement rather than sit around and speculate? I'll tell you why because it's a lifestyle CHANGE. And humans are naturally afraid of change. We're literally biologically wired to fear change. We get comfortable even in our own misery. It's really quite sick. But once you begin to take true positive action around something like this you will develop a new part of yourself that most people never develop. You will have awareness. You will have the ability to face things and overcome things in your life. This is a very challenging problem in the beginning and can stay that way for as long as you let it. As soon as you take control over your situation though, it gets easier and easier.

And tomcruz, with RE being expensive, you can still learn via the books/youtube videos that Katy Bowman offers. Just develop your own routine/schedule.

And look guys, it's not about being perfect. You just gotta start somewhere and stay consistent in the practices. You don't have to do everything every day but you need to be making sure you are incorporating these things more regularly and for months and months. Do that and you will understand the healing I am talking about. I also happen to eat very healthy for the most part which also helps a ton. I also make sure not to masturbate much. I conserve my energy so it goes to healing. It's a very real thing.

Also, notice how many fucking books I've read (all listed at therebornman.tumblr.com) and that's only part of it. I've read so much about healing the body/mind through the internet and watched countless videos/movies on the subject. You need to incorporate educational studies as part of your healing if you want to understand some of the many nuances that go into this that I can't even begin to go into detail about.

But if you don't do anything else, I would at least learn to do TRE, RE, and yoga nidra on a consistent basis. It is even better if done in conjunction with reduced ejaculation frequency, healthier diet, positive mindfulness, and developing physical/mental presence. Besides that, go live your life. Don't get hung up on the symptoms because they will keep you from living normal. Living normal is a must for getting back into the flow of your body/mind connection. Getting back into the flow is critical for getting your sexual functioning back. Getting your sexual functioning back is critical in everyone here not giving two shits about this forum anymore. Everyone here not giving two shits about this forum anymore is critical for my own sanity.

I'm kidding partly on that last bit.. but really. I only write this stuff because I'm trying to save you endless years of suffering. I'm also developing a more focused outline for the site through these rampant thought outpourings. So it's like real-time revising really. Lol

Cheers fellas
voodoo

[Thatbdd Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Thatbdd]

What else can cause ones penis to curve if it never use to besides peyronies Though? How exactly could it do that without it being peyronies?

[mikecares Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mikecares]

I honestly think hard flaccid is just a penile neuropraxia or possibly axonotmesis in some people. The reason I don't think people recover is they keep re damaging the nerves by constantly masturbating and having sex after that (as I've read multiple people doing it and have not once read someone abstaining from sex/masturbation right after sustaining their injury - this is something I have been doing so maybe I will be a good case study to see if abstaining from sexual activity right after hard flaccid will result in a faster recovery). If it were muscular, then all people would benefit from physiotherapy and trigger point therapy...but many do not. And for those that did, its possible that the physiotherapy just speeded up their recovery after having it for several months/years, which is what physical therapy is known to do (speed up functional recovery)

The only thing I do to get aroused is see a girl a few times a week - we just hang out and touch; this results in a boner, which is good for blood flow. The only thing we can do is be patient and keep living

[mikecares Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mikecares]

Anyone with hard flaccid get EMG tests done? If so, what were the results?

I honestly believe hard flaccid is a neuropraxic injury. Here is a quote by a physician regarding neuropraxis injuries:

"long as the neurapraxic injury has not been continuously in place for an extended period of time, there is potential for recovery, maybe even complete recover."

This means if you don't keep stressing it or reinjurying it, complete recovery is in place. This may explain why so many pplz keep having problems with it --> they keep using it and don't allow complete recovery.

[VoodooChild Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close VoodooChild]

What else can cause ones penis to curve if it never use to besides peyronies Though? How exactly could it do that without it being peyronies?

The pelvic floor being so tight causes all kinds of problems. Curvature can result from the IC and BC muscles (and others) being so tight that the corpus spongiosum does not fill with blood properly, particularly at the base, causing a downward curvature during erections. Or even if it is filling with blood the tension from the muscles is overpowering the natural erectile function. Other types of curvature can come from other muscles being too tight. Essentially you need a well balanced, relaxed, and strong pelvic floor to achieve your best erections. When you overmasturbate in general you are weakening all of these muscles by creating tension over and over that they cannot recover from in time before you masturbate again. Therefore over time, you all the sudden realize you are fucked and not functioning properly. You need rest, rehabilitation (RE), and relaxation (TRE and yoga nidra).

Patience and diligence my friends. That's the name of the game.

I won't be on here again until I release the next (final) video. Not sure when that will be though. This forum just goes in circles. Everything you need to know has been stated over and over by many people who have recovered.

Peace
Voodoo

[fighting4acure Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close fighting4acure]

Im really listening to what everyone is saying, doing extensive research and keeping note of all my symptoms and from what I concluded it has got to be a muscular dysfunction. My issues are so broad and numerous that it only makes sense that this is a muscular flaw. What else could be causing ED, urinary dysfunction, PE and occasional pain. Nerve damage does not play a factor in urinary from what I understand. Sometimes I have no problem starting the stream or finishing. Other times I physically cant go even though I have been holding it for a good period of time. So if there was nerve damage or something was anatomically wrong it would be an issue every time.
Today I got with a girl and started leaking semen with just a touch. I know I am nervous/anxious person which causes me to tense up all the time. Why else would I be dripping before anything really even happened?
I do however have one question. Does anyone else get the hard flaccid on a pretty extreme scale when working out, especially lifting weights or working out? When i do certain things like pullups or work on my abdominals it tends to get very bad and uncomfortable. The head will also become white obviously becoming blood deprived. I think its just the muscles becoming so tense that is bascially cutting off any blood flow down there but would love to hear everyones thoughts Any know how I can deal with this and still be able to exercise cause it does mentally help a lot but physically get worse at the same time.

On a side note I do want to thank all the people who post and reply on a daily basis, especially voodoo. You do not realize how many people you are giving hope too. I've been dealing with this for years and ive had some good days and some not so good days. Just coming here and being able to actually relate has made life a lot easier at times. All your work and hours of personal time does not go unappreciated, you guys are life savers.

Sorry for the long post guys but thanks again

[mikecares Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mikecares]

Im really listening to what everyone is saying, doing extensive research and keeping note of all my symptoms and from what I concluded it has got to be a muscular dysfunction. My issues are so broad and numerous that it only makes sense that this is a muscular flaw. What else could be causing ED, urinary dysfunction, PE and occasional pain. Nerve damage does not play a factor in urinary from what I understand. Sometimes I have no problem starting the stream or finishing. Other times I physically cant go even though I have been holding it for a good period of time. So if there was nerve damage or something was anatomically wrong it would be an issue every time.
Today I got with a girl and started leaking semen with just a touch. I know I am nervous/anxious person which causes me to tense up all the time. Why else would I be dripping before anything really even happened?
I do however have one question. Does anyone else get the hard flaccid on a pretty extreme scale when working out, especially lifting weights or working out? When i do certain things like pullups or work on my abdominals it tends to get very bad and uncomfortable. The head will also become white obviously becoming blood deprived. I think its just the muscles becoming so tense that is bascially cutting off any blood flow down there but would love to hear everyones thoughts Any know how I can deal with this and still be able to exercise cause it does mentally help a lot but physically get worse at the same time.

On a side note I do want to thank all the people who post and reply on a daily basis, especially voodoo. You do not realize how many people you are giving hope too. I've been dealing with this for years and ive had some good days and some not so good days. Just coming here and being able to actually relate has made life a lot easier at times. All your work and hours of personal time does not go unappreciated, you guys are life savers.

Sorry for the long post guys but thanks again

yours sounds muscular. Also, I've been leaking semen but its because I'm so horny and trying to abstain. I was hooking up with a girl today and I was pre cumming a lot...hormones are ragging from 2 week abstinence. SEe a pelvic physiotherapist man

[aceshigh1 Member Find all posts View Profile Close aceshigh1]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IOoTC9DpB3k this is a great video explaining how we can relax pelvic floor, I'm simple terms

[fighting4acure Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close fighting4acure]

Ya I think so. Do you have issues with urination, pain, color changes. Also have you have had any ultrasounds done? I've had one and the urologist reported what he called a bloodflow abnormality? No peyronies or other problems could be found other than bloodflow issues. I've heard this test can be thrown off by stage fright, too much caffeine etc. Anyone have an input on ultrasound reports?

[mikecares Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mikecares]

Ya I think so. Do you have issues with urination, pain, color changes. Also have you have had any ultrasounds done? I've had one and the urologist reported what he called a bloodflow abnormality? No peyronies or other problems could be found other than bloodflow issues. I've heard this test can be thrown off by stage fright, too much caffeine etc. Anyone have an input on ultrasound reports?

I have done an ultrasound and it show everything being good.

[stevieeee Member Find all posts View Profile Close stevieeee]

Are you kidding me mikecares "sounds like you have more going on then hard flaccid". Who are you to say that man? Do you not realize the damage you can do to someone by saying that sort of stuff? People have attempted killing themselves over this and I'm sure some already have. Not something you just throw assumptions at. All the things that have been said on here to recover are true. I've seen nothing but you going against everything said and backtracking. Voodoo has spent day and night trying to help and many people seem to go against it out of fear.I had hf, with really bad pelvic pain. Did all the things listed and I'm recovered. Many people have also done so before and after me. Simple, do the things said and recover, or don't. No need to make uneducated statements on here and cause panic much like the past. I really hope you and many others do at least some of what's said. Eventually, you all will be there. Be confident and heal fellas.