PE Squared Progress Log - Water Bottle Goals

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PreEjac Log - Day 3
Rest from PE.

Did stretches for APT (and general whole body stretches), meditated 2x30 mins, did some pelvic floor massaging & RKs.

PreEjac Log - Day 4

Stretches, mediation, the whole shebang.

1st 25 min session:

• Standing is harder than sitting.
• Jerking fast, whether with a death grip or not, gets me to PONR way too fast.

2nd 25 min session:

• Took some dextromethorphan to see if it'd have a delayed ejac effect on me. Felt sleep ~30 mins in, started edging ~1:10 minutes after taking it. At first I though it was working, and it DID take me longer to get to PONR, but not so noticeably longer that I was like "wow!"
  After getting close to PONR the extreme head sensitivity was still there though & I got to PONR so many times that finally I had a failed DO. I went from a ~7/8 to a ~10 in the span of seconds and I pulled away and held a strong kegel, and after ~10 seconds I RK's to "pee" and let some of the sperm that I couldn't hold back dribble out.
  I've used the above maneuver previously and I always thought you weren't supposed to be able to pee when you have a boner, but I've always been able to.
  Either way, I wasn't planning on using the drug as a crutch, but I wanted to know how it felt to "perform normally," but that will have to wait.

General thoughts:

• My pelvic floor is EXTREMELY tight. I actually have like a little "knot" in the perineum area right at the bottom of the kegel area. Is that part of the pelvic floor? Should it be there? Is that an actual muscle knot in my pelvic floor? I've had it ever since I started PE & before that I never paid attention to it.
• I still can't really do a full proper RK, especially during sex. I can do a reverse RK easily. Same thing for a regular kegel, but an RK just feels like stretching out my belly with some very small changes in the pelvic floor area.

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Causes of PreEjac

After digging through the forums it looks like there's a lot of things that could lead to PreEjac.

Psychological:

• Stress/anxiety - general & sex oriented
• No arousal "plateau" - due to porn?
• A too sharp increase in arousal - due to porn?

Physical:

• Unbalanced pelvic floor - likely too tight
• Anterior pelvic tilt
• General tightness in the body
• Extreme sensitivity - potential caused by masturbation & porn habits
• A shortened frenulum
• Constantly being in the sympathetic rather than parasympathetic state

Chemical:

• Zinc deficiency
• General depressive state/GABA deficiency

And the funny thing is... I have almost all of the above!

I tried the Zinc assay test for zinc deficiency & realized I'm super deficient. This makes sense as you tend to use up Zinc during periods of high stress & low recuperation & that's the state I've mostly been in for the past 3-4 years.

I have APT, can't do reverse kegels (unbalanced pelvic floor), have terrible masturbation (light grip & fast) habits, watched too much porn, have extremely tight muscles, & generally have higher than average stress & anxiety.

I'll be working on addressing all of the above and I now understand why most people aren't quite sure what exactly cured their PE. For many people there's not just one SINGULAR cause of PE. There's a bunch of things that work together to make you a one (or ten) pump chump.

PE Log

2/25 - 5PF, 2 bot
2/26 - 3.5PF
2/27 - .5 bot - climax + sex




Total PF Time: 555 hours
Total bottling/extremely low pressure pumping time: 53.5 hours

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PE Log
3/1 - 5PF, 1 bot, climax
3/2 - 4 PF, 2 bot
3/3 - 5 PF, 1 bot, climax


Getting in both PreEjac and PE work daily has been hard, especially on days I actually do stuff outside of my apartment. With more and more places opening up around me I might have to focus mostly on PreEjac and switch to a more intensive manual workout for PE because right now it takes up too much time.


Total PF Time: 569 hours
Total bottling/extremely low pressure pumping time: 57.5 hours


PreEjac Log

Small win last weekend!
Forgot to mention this, but last weekend I was able to grind/mess around over underwear for a near constant ~45 minutes with no problem! She tried to give me a BJ after and I exploded after ~15-30 seconds, but I consider the grinding a small win.


Got a fleshlight & used it 3 times.

• 1st time I struggled terribly. Way too many PONR even if I went slowly & couldn't hold myself and ended up cumming after 20 minutes. I kept going for 5 more mins though even though the post-nut sensitivity is UNBEARABLE. (Another potential cause for PE?). I also lifted on this day which might have affected it.
• 2nd time was much better. Had to do some minimal stop, start with kegels, but had a couple of 1-2 minute periods where I could keep stroking FAST with no problems. Is there such a thing is pre-exhausting your PF muscles before sex to last longer?
• 3rd time was almost as bad as the 1st. Way too many PONR way too fast even with deep breathing. Start/stop & kegels didn't help. Ended up cumming after 20 mins and going for 5 more afterwards. I have a theory that if I fight through that extreme sensitivity after I'm done, it might decrease my overall sensitivity during sex. Also lifted today.

Overall I'm definitely seeing progress although I'd like to do 2x25 min edging sessions per day. One with the fleshlight and one without. A bit worried it might be too much for the lil guy, but we'll see. For now I don't have the time to dedicate that much time to it.

More potential causes of PE?

• Lifting? The way I'm lifting or the muscles I'm training could be making me more susceptible to it
• Not keeping going after cumming

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Two PreEjac Wins!

Had sex yesterday for the first time with the BJ girl from my recent posts. I was able to last ~5 minutes or so!

Obviously my PE isn't completely "cured," but considering that while grinding/eating her out I felt like I was about to bust, 5 minutes is solid!

Then the morning after we got frisky and I wasn't sure how I'd perform. Got to PONR within a minute or two, but was able to pull out and kegel hard to stop myself from cumming. Then kept going for another solid 3-4 minutes (although couldn't go too fast without getting too close to PONR), and finally got really close to the PONR, pulled out, but couldn't manage it.

Either way, a very solid start for only 2 weeks of progress! Going from literally cumming within seconds of a BJ to lasting ~5 minutes.

Will keep doing my regular PreEjac routine & see how things progress within the next couple weeks.

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PE Log
3/5 - 1 PF, .5 bot, sex
3/6 - 5PF
3/7 - 5 PF, 1 bot,
3/8 - 5PF, .5 bot, climax




Bit of a change from the regular schedule, but let's be honest, sex > PE. There's no point in waiting for sex because you're working on PE because PE is there so you can have better sex.
Will measure after my rest day tomorrow.


Total PF Time: 585 hours
Total bottling/extremely low pressure pumping time: 59.5 hours




PreEjac Log


Had some success beating pre-ejac during sex recently!

As for workouts I've been:

• Stretching daily - I think stretching the psoas to minimize APT really helped
• Edging on days I don't have sex. Currently with the fleshlight, mostly while sitting. Standing brings me way too close to PONR way too fast. Haven't tried laying down yet.
• Continuing stroking for at least 1-2 minutes after I cum even if the sensitivity is unbearable. I believe this trains it to get used to this sensitivity so then regular sex doesn't feel AS strong. Obviously I don't want to lose all feeling, but based on the women I've slept with who've had previous experience, my penis was always the most sensitive (they've all been so aggressive!)
• Doing kegels, RKs, root locks, and root kegels from time to time. Not super consistent. About 20 per day of each or so.

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Measurement Day!

Another month down!

BPEL: 6.125" (Previously 6.125")
MEG: 4.375" (Previously 4.25")
BEG: 4.5" (Previously 4.5")
BPFSL: 6.0" (Previously 6.0")

My girth finally increased!!! Might have something to do with the fact that I spent a lot more time on low pressure pumping (nearly double of last month!)

My BPEL and BPFSL are still the same, but my PF usage was pretty low so I'm not too surprised. I almost felt like my penis was getting shorter because it got girthier, but it's still the same so I'm happy for now.

Plus, doing PreEjac work cuts into how much time I can spend on PE so I'm very happy with the results.

4.5" girth next month? One can only hope

Total PF Time: 585 hours (Previously 507.5)
Total bottling time: 59.5 hours (Previously 36)

Current Workout

• 3 days on, 1 day off
• PF for 4x1.25 hour sessions every day (this is the max)
• Bottle for a min of 1 hour every day unless I'll be having sex later that day or I'm having negative indicators/not feeling too great
• Bottle for 2 hours if I'm feeling fully rested and great
• Edge every evening with a Fleshlight or death grip - no cumming. Cum either at the end of a 7 day "cycle" or on/before the day I plan on having sex.

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PE Log
3/10 - 4 PF, 1 bot, release
3/11 - 7 pf, 1 bot
3/12 - 5 pf - blister


Another day another blister! This time it's right at the very tip of the head. It's super tiny so with rest it should heal pretty quickly, but it's annoying because I was just starting to get used to my ADS again.

Also bought some new head protector caps. I got the blister because my current one was a bit loose and it didn't do as much so I ordered a bunch of Aliexpress and will use one of my older ones that still works in the meantime (once it's healed ofc.)

A bit annoying because my girl's coming over tomorrow so I'll see if sex is off the table or not because of the injury. Live and learn.


Total PF Time: 601 hours
Total bottling/extremely low pressure pumping time: 61.5 hours


PreEjac Log


Have lightened up on the stretches, but still doing them daily. Same thing for pelvic floor exercises.

Edged w/ the fleshlight on Monday while laying down. Definitely felt a lot harder than sitting. Not sure if it's because I'm not used to the position or because my APT is more pronounced when lying down. Was ALMOST able to last the entire 25 mins, but went past PONR at around 22 mins and let myself go. Ended up finishing out to battle the post-cum sensitivity for about 2 minutes.

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PE Log
3/17 - 5 PF
3/18 - 5 pf, 1 bot
3/19 - 5 pf

Getting back into it and trying to be careful. Using baby powder every morning. Bottling every day seems like too much also even if it got me some results so I'm going back to doing it every other day.

Total PF Time: 616 hours
Total bottling/extremely low pressure pumping time: 62.5 hours

PreEjac Log

Stretching daily and trying to fix my APT. It's slowly improving.

Pelvic floor exercises daily.

Edged w/ the fleshlight while laying down again and it was MUCH harder than sitting. I've gotten better at sitting, but now it's time to conquer standing and laying down.

Will keep working on it and see if there's anything (other than APT) that makes it harder when I'm laying down.

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PE Log
3/21 - 5 PF, 1 bot
3/22- 4pf
3/23 - 5 pf, 1 bot
3/24 - Edging


Getting back into it and trying to be careful. Using baby powder every morning. Bottling every day seems like too much also even if it got me some results so I'm going back to doing it every other day.


Total PF Time: 630 hours
Total bottling/extremely low pressure pumping time: 64.5 hours


PreEjac Log


Stretching daily and trying to fix my APT. It's slowly improving.


Pelvic floor exercises daily.

Been super busy lately so barely had any time to do edging and other PE work. Still had time to meditate though.

15 mins edging with the FL on 3/20. Started standing, got to PONR pretty fast, sat down, multiple PONR. Super sensitive.

Potential pre-ejac issue: short frenulum? I'm not going to go to a Urologist just yet. Will fix my APT, learn to control my pelvic floor more, practice with the FL & real sex, and THEN if it doesn't improve I will go see a urologist.

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PE Log
3/25 - 5 PF, 1 bot, release
3/26- 6 pf
3/27 - 3 pf, .5 bot, sex
3/28 - sex

Been using baby powder every morning when using the PF and topping up from time to time. Definitely helps with < moisture which has helped with having < edema.

I haven't measured since last measuring day, but had sex yesterday & today and it looks MUCH bigger once again. Both width & length wise. I have lose some fat so length could be explained by that, but I'm excited to see what my girth is at .


Total PF Time: 644 hours
Total bottling/extremely low pressure pumping time: 66 hours

PreEjac Log

Stretching daily and trying to fix my APT. It's slowly improving.

Pelvic floor exercises daily.

Some edging with the FL every day. I tried going slowly on the 25th and was almost able to avoid cumming. Hit PONR like 4 times and 5th time was the "charm."

Started using the FL much faster so if I get to PONR I just pause, take a break, and restart. The goal is to get used to fast stimulation and teach my brain that NO, it's not about cumming when I'm doing that.

Busted super quick with evening sex, but morning was able to last longer as always. Not sure if it's because my entire body is relaxed or my brain isn't fully "engaged" yet, but either way it's good

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PE Log
3/29 - 5 PF, .5 bot
3/30- 4 PF
3/31 - 5, .5 bot
4/1 - rest
4/2 - 5 PF, 1 bot
4/3- 5 PF
4/4 - 2 PF, .5 bot, sex
4/5 - rest


Got a pumping cylinder that fits me better. The one I've been using is HUGE. 2.25" or something so I got a smaller one that was 1.75" or so. The old one wasn't terrible, but it did suck in a bit too much skin.

Had sex again & it looked HUGE again both 1st & 2nd rounds. Super excited to measure because I think my girth has jumped up again! Length too, but not too much. Maybe 6.25"? Fingers crossed.

Feeling great overall. Since I have a steady girl now I'm less obsessed with making it bigger & the decreased self-pressure has made PE much more enjoyable because now I'm focusing on it for the long run rather than trying to get results as fast as possible.

I've also been experimenting with higher pressure pumping (for me "high pressure" means 2-3 hg MAX), but it feels like high pressure to me because I've been operating at nearly undetectable pressure levels for the past couple months.

Or on days when I do 1 hour, I do 2-3HG for 30 mins, and then basically 0 for another 30 mins.



Total PF Time: 670 hours
Total bottling/extremely low pressure pumping time: 68.5 hours


PreEjac Log

APT slowly improving.

Pelvic floor feels tighter than usual though.


Haven't edged this week since I've been crazy busy.

Had sex & wasn't able to last much the first time. Had to start, stop, etc and could only last a couple minutes.

2nd round was great though so no complaints there. If I could last as long the 1st time as the 2nd time I'd be very happy.

My girl's fine with it, but this is something I want to improve for myself so I'll keep working on this.

Plus, APT isn't good for your body in general, so...

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PE Log
4/6 - 2 PF
4/7 - rest
4/8 - 5PF, 1 bot
4/9 - 6 PF
4/10 - 6 PF, 1 bot, release


Took some time off because of low sleep. Everything is solid overall though. Excited to measure in a couple days!


Total PF Time: 699 hours
Total bottling/extremely low pressure pumping time: 70.5 hours


PreEjac Log


Slacking on this. Doing exercises for APT, but that's pretty much it.

Haven't edged. Came super quickly during a recent BJ.

Overall seems like I'm moving backwards, but work has been crazy & I don't want to drop PE so I'll keep doing PE until I hit a year and then re-asses.

By then it should be time to take a 2-3 week deconditioning break so I might focus on PreEjac 100% then.

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Measurement Day!

My penis looked noticeable smaller than during my workouts/during sex during this measurement so I have a feeling my real numbers are higher than this. Might see a nice surprise next month!

Or maybe since I pump every other day, these are my real numbers and what I see on a day to day basis is pump-enhanced.



BPEL: 6.25" (Previously 6.125")
MEG: 4.375" (Previously 4.375") - It looked just a bit over 4.375", but I figured I'll just track the big milestones & not the tiny changes.
BEG: 4.5" (Previously 4.5") - Same here as for MEG.
BPFSL: 6.25" (Previously 6.0") - Good to see BPFSL increase! A sign of gains to come?


Total PF Time: 699 hours (Previously 585)
Total bottling time: 70.5 hours (Previously 59.5)

I have ~2 months left until I'll hit the 1 year anniversary of starting PE!

I would've liked to hit 1k hours on the PF in that time, but I don't think I will be able to... If I add up my previous noose extender hours I might get to 1k, but I'm not sure how beneficial those actually were.

I'm also about halfway to my goal of bottling - I want to get to ~160 hours and reassess there. If I'm still getting gains... great! If not, I'd rather use the PF more as that actually gets me results.

I've already hit my 1 year length goal (I think I hit it months ago), but my 1 year girth goal looks pretty hard. I'd have to gain .4125" of girth in 2 months which... Isn't impossible. But seems pretty darn hard.

Hmmm, I'll see if I can add more bottling sessions so then my focus IS actually more on girth rather than length. Since I'm mostly doing long-duration, low-pressure bottling only getting ~4 hours in a week seems like nothing.

If I can do ~8-10 hours a week that would be better as then I would almost hit my 160 hours goal in 2 months!


Current Workout
3 days on, 1 day off

• PF for 4x1.25 hour sessions every day. Sometimes I add 1 more 1 hour session if I can. (Might try to add 2 this month or try 1.5 hour sessions. We'll see)
• Bottle for a min of 1 hour every other day unless I'll be having sex later that day or I'm having negative indicators/not feeling too great
• Bottle for 2 hours if I'm feeling fully rested and great
• Edge when I can with a Fleshlight or death grip - no cumming. Cum either at the end of a 7 day "cycle" or on/before the day I plan on having sex.

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PE Log
4/12 - 6 PF, 1 bot
4/13 - 7 PF
4/14 - 5 PF, 1 bot
4/15 - rest
4/16 - 3 PF, .5 bot, sex
4/17 - rest


Tried doing 1.5 hour sessions one day. A bit too much edema for my taste. Not terrible, but 1.25 hour sessions are MUCH better so I'll just do those instead.

Taking an extra rest day due to low sleep, sex, & the lil' guy just feeling like he needs some rest.


Total PF Time: 720 hours
Total bottling/extremely low pressure pumping time: 73 hours


PreEjac Log


Still slacking. Still cumming quickly.

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PE Log
4/18 - 5 PF, 1 bot
4/19 - 6 PF
4/20 - 5 PF, .5 bot
4/21 - rest


Still consistent. Started pulling my penis out of my underwear to prevent flaccid turtling (I wear boxer briefs). Planning on getting boxers soon.

Also been sleeping naked/doing some fowlers to maximize flaccid extension.


Total PF Time: 736 hours
Total bottling/extremely low pressure pumping time: 74.5 hours


PreEjac Log


Nothing on this end. Super busy.