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I may try an extender myself, combined with hanging (Millia is trying it already). If you try it as well, perhaps we can figure out if its an effective way to enhance both hanging & extender gains. I do know for a fact ADS devices help hanging gains though, so I can't see why it wouldn't work. An extender is based on principles similar to both hanging & ADS devices.

I mean, to some extent, all 3x devices do the same thing...

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As I mentioned above, I do wonder if extenders can help with Lig gains--if they can, they will be more complementary with hanging. However, the way the base of the extender just rests against the pubic bone, I am not sure whether it can effectively stretch your ligaments.

I have never used an Extender, but I could see that maybe it could help healing in an elongated state, by essentially pulling on the lig using the pubic bone as a fulcrum?

Are you thinking of an Extender to serve the same function as your golf weights?

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All golf weights do is keep you from turtling. Here's what they look like (taken from amazon.com) A total of 3x weigh almost nothing (1lb). You know what though... you reminded me i want to try golf weights + the What-A-Grip...
https://www.pegym.com/forums/attachm...ing-weight.jpg
Oh also, if you have more than 5.5" girth, these are a beast to get on, you have to use soap & water then think about janet reno to get the weights on... the really girthy guys don't even need a wrap for the weights to stay on (6"-7")

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So the golf weight is just like a ring that you have behind the glans?

You have had a pretty exhausting 24hrs Blink, what with all the posting & debating re. L b4 G?!

I enjoyed reading the posts.

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Yeah, if the golf weights dont stay high enough, you have to wrap behind the glans to hold them in place, and of course glans stay exposed to monitor blood flow.

Yeah, that debate was pretty unexpected. I think I was surprised that the guy had so much contempt for the theory... The theory might be wrong, but I didn't think it might be wrong for the reasons he was citing. If he talked about guys with low girth (sub 5") or guys with low intensity girth work, I would have agreed with him (I went back & edited the article once I realized understood more about the exceptions to the theory).

Hey, I'm glad you enjoyed reading it.

Hopefully people will get used to the whole length first, girth second concept. I guess it's still newish/ fresh here.

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I've been reading (sporadically) about hanging with Low LOT and how it may not be that useful for length. What are some of you personal experiences? Has it made THAT big of a difference?

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Personal experience: sorry I have ultra high LOT, but ... I want to say a few things....

The original theory was based on the datasets of maybe 10x hangers (maybe more). Bib was looking for correlating factors that identified easy gainers from hard gainers. His theory was that high LOT indicated more potential lig gains and low LOT indicated less potential lig gains...

However, when they attempted to replicate the test, it failed for some reason. It could be because we are doing things online and things can't be controlled or monitored as easily; who knows. So the theory still makes sense for the original data, but not the next test that was done. Basically, we had guys with high lot not gaining & guys with low lot making good gains (with the 2nd test, an attempt to confirm the theory).

If your LOT is low, don't sweat it... some guys with low LOT ended up being easy gainers (if I recall correctly, although you could look up the test it was done on thunders a while ago--probably when Remek was still there... )

In other words, don't worry about your LOT. Focus on getting enough hangtime, good technique, and a good consistent routine. I think your determination & work ethic will matter more than any other factors. I worry about some guys worrying too much about their LOT, and I debated removing the theory from the article for this exact reason. I think worrying about your LOT is counter-productive. If you're curious check, but don't think that it defines your potential.

You define your potential, no one else. Make your own fate! (yes, I'm quoting about 100 different movies right now, but I mean it sincerely!)

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Yeh - I feel you on that. The LOT thing hasn't been a deterrent in what I'm doing - I just want to make sure I'm maximizing my efforts and being efficient in my PE (no wasted time on techniques or exercises that won't help me reach my goals). I've always been a bit leery of hanging but may try it out - length is something I see that may be an issue and I want to tackle it from all sides and angles.

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Amen to this ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Otherwise we get new guys throwing in the towel before they have even given it try.

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GettinThereOK:
There are a lot of ways to gain length; I would say pick what you like the most. ADS, Extender, Hanging, Manual Stretches, Jelqing, whatever. I'm not sure if it matters much as long as you reach your goal.

Vulcan:
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm worried about. Guys throwing in the towel or thinking they don't have potential, when actually, they really do have potential. Maybe I'll go back & edit the thread later....

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Amen to this ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Otherwise we get new guys throwing in the towel before they have even given it try.

I agree - I would hope that once you start, you stick with it. That's one of the reasons this forum is so good - not only for the info but for the 'accountability' aspect. Maintaining a log has been highly beneficial and makes me stay on course. I just wish I had the Gym way back when I started or even a few years ago - I may have reached my goals by now!

Okay - enough thread hijacking - this is Blinks log! LOL!

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I don't mind at all... I don't consider it hijacking since you're talking to me

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Hmm.. I just realized my starting MSEG was 4.88" what's funny is I had actually forgotten (lately I told a few people my starting girth was 5" which is incorrect). I was checking my data on the first forum where I joined, then I checked my log; it's correct. I wonder how I forgot that. My current MSEG is just 5.125", which isn't much, but I realize now I have gained 1/4" and I've never done any explicit girth work ever, just length work. I find that pretty interesting.

Start: 4.88" MSEG
Now: 5.13" MSEG (+.25)

I think the small extra girth I gained helps with the hanger settings. I think I hear beyond 6" of girth interferes with hanging (which takes us back to length 1st/girth 2nd I suppose). https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theo...th-second.html I've only been back to PE a few months; I am hoping I can be patient. I think I'll just have to stay in the habit of things, etc... Being on this forum has helped a lot. I appreciate all the feedback from people here.

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The girth gains came from jelqs & hanging I think.
(1/8" from the newbie routine)

I somehow gained another 1/8" MSEG from hanging. I'm not doing anything else so I can't see what else I could have gained it from. Pretty odd. I think most don't gain any girth from hanging other than base girth (at my best measure, I gained a full 1" of base girth from hanging some how). I'm must be a very 'easy gainer' for girth.

The length gains don't seem so easy, but I guess we will see long term.

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Routine:
5x sets today, 5lbs max. (1x set was done several hours later--I'm trying to do split sets to improve gains)

Wrap:
HTW + What-A-Grip + Theraband

For whatever reason I am sore at the attachment point of the hanger. Maybe all the experimentation I've been doing with wrapping, re-wrapping & trying to get my penis shaft to not twist in the hanger got to me. I lost track of how many times I re-attached the hanger. Things are going better now, the twisting is much less severe, where I've actually forgotten about it. I think I finally have a rhythm with things, wrap attach, hang, rest, remove hanger, sometimes re-wrap, rest, massage/ restore circulation, wrap attach, hang, rinse, repeat.... Lately it seems just massaging the tissue while it is in the wrap restores circulation the best. But, if my glans get cold, or if blood doesnt flow, I remove the wrap... the HTW + What-A-Grip cut off the circulation slightly, but I find with massage its easy to restore. Re-wrapping is really fast too with those items as the underwrap.

Maybe I'm sore from the new way I wrap--- I'm going to keep wrapping this way though. I seem to waste less time if I decide I want to remove the theraband & really restore the circulation. I may get a set in later tonight for a split set, I haven't decided.