Stan's stretching journal

[tspot180 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tspot180]

New season coming up, Stan's Stretching journal 3!!!
2020-2021 is crazy but in a good way in so many things.
Hey Stan, are you doing any type of Shock stretches? Do you think they're good for gains? I just recently started to experiment with them and I feel they're sort of good pre stretching like you also said, but I was curious what's your take on them after all these years of stretching.
Anyway, thanks for letting us know you're in the game again, that's really motivating you know. Especially since I started manual stretching again on the 6th of January and I am already 0,5+cm longer, solid bpfsl gain actually, I measure it each morning with no stretching whatsoever, even with no stretching done on the previous day too. You're the man!

[EraStyle Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close EraStyle]

Still using your ruler flaccid stretch every single workout, copied from you from yeeeears back

[peforever Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close peforever]

Turns out it doesn't if you do it right. I think the key to avoiding the toughening that keeps you from gaining at some point is to keep your IC muscle relatively weak so it doesn't have a strong "grip" on the tunica at the base if it makes sense. That grip getting even weaker is probably the cause for the low EQ that immediately follows.

I have gained about 1.125 inch in 45 months (90% first 3 months, same with girth as far as gaining first three months only). I remember about 1.5 years ago, I noticed that my penis is hard time staying up specially in bottom position (I used to have a huge upward curve and penis had a high angle up). The gains made my penis almost straight and the IC legs were very loose and that’’S why couldn’t stand up specially in bottom position ( I always use cock ring during sex).

Recently for a month or so , I do lots of IC exercises during clamp edging and sometimes in the morning in bed while in recline butterfly position. I feel my penis stands up similar to before even on bottom position when EQ is great.

I haven’t gained much length or firth for the past few years even with consistent routine and I was wondering do you think if IC gets stronger, then stretching gets effected badly since base is toughened so much? What is the solution you think, since gaining but having very weak IC is not worth it?

[Stan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stan]

1) If I understood correctly, your starting size was 22cm bpel and around 19.5cm nbpel. Yet you complained about it not looking impressive enough so i'm starting to doubt how big 8 nbpel is to women. Were there also wows and laughs at your starting size?

As I said, it didn't look that impressive because of proportions: at 6"+ mid-shaft girth and 6.5"+ base girth, 7.5"-8" isn't going to look particularly long, especially with huge balls. It just didn't have that monster cock look to it, it looked like a normal dick only bigger. I still used to get comments about the size of course, but certainly not with the same sense of amazement.

2) In your opinion, what would 7 nbpel be classified as in terms of size irl?

Pretty big, like 1 in 100 I guess.

3) You also mentioned getting at your max erection and staying there for a while. Do you recall how long you were staying at 100% for approximately?

Depends on EQ and hornyness, my edging sessions last anywhere from 30 minutes to 2 hours maybe.

4) If you had the information you currently have about stretching and had the possiblity to start off from scratch again, how would you proceed? Would you have done things differently?

I was very lucky to do exactly what was needed right from the beginning. I only started doing mistakes later, namely:
- trying to gain more BPFSL when EQ isn't 10/10, it's just a waste of time
- stretching in any direction other than straight out (and a little on the sides to hit the "side ligs"), it only screws up my PF and never gives me real EL gains
- not doing enough front kegels, and even worse doing RKs

5) Somehow I can't find the videos of the techniques you uploaded on xvideos. Is it just me or did you delete them?

Yes I deleted it, it wasn't very interesting anyway.

EDIT : for question 2 I also meant to ask your opinion about 8 nbpel

That would be 1 in 10000

Hey Stan, are you doing any type of Shock stretches? Do you think they're good for gains? I just recently started to experiment with them and I feel they're sort of good pre stretching like you also said, but I was curious what's your take on them after all these years of stretching.

I'm still positive they are extremely useful to loosen things up at the base pre-stretching.

Do you think if IC gets stronger, then stretching gets effected badly since base is toughened so much? What is the solution you think, since gaining but having very weak IC is not worth it?

That's been exactly my problem for the past few years, and I haven't found a solution yet.
Good EQ = strong BC/IC = unstretchable
Weak IC = stretchable = bad EQ = no EL gains
For now I have given up on stretching until I get my best EQ back, then I'll do some experimenting with lots of hard kegels (including erect) following the BPFSL gain. I believe the key to EL gains is to recover my EQ faster than I would by just letting things heal, so I don't lose the BPFSL gain in the meantime.

[tspot180 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tspot180]

Your older post, "i don't do erect kegels", had stuck to my mind for so long. When I did towel raises for the first time, which I thought were a waste of time and kind of corny, then I thought that erect kegels can't be wrong, erect reverse kegels too actually.
I still don't understand why you say that the Rk specific training you were doing was toxic. RKs still feel like the real push for EL gains for me, like when snapping our leg to kick as high as possible.
Do you think we were evolutionary designed to make our penises bigger ? Could it have been done better, with less effort as a teenager(18+yo.), possibly?
Fwiw, I think most of the length gainers who've provided pictures before/after make it look like we were.

[Stan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stan]

Your older post, "i don't do erect kegels", had stuck to my mind for so long. When I did towel raises for the first time, which I thought were a waste of time and kind of corny, then I thought that erect kegels can't be wrong, erect reverse kegels too actually.
I still don't understand why you say that the Rk specific training you were doing was toxic. RKs still feel like the real push for EL gains for me, like when snapping our leg to kick as high as possible.

I'm sure that a combination of erect Ks and RKs can be a great thing, but you have to understand that my PF hasn't felt the same since 2018, and what I used to say before may or may not still be relevant for me now.

I used to be an advocate for erect RKs, they felt great to me too, but now all they do is screw up my PF and that's for sure, so I have to wonder whether they ever really were of any benefit, or if they were already counter-productive without me realizing, and right now I believe it's the latter, because I had always felt I could never do enough Ks, and because my unit never feels overworked anymore now that I don't do RKs, and it used to feel overworked all the time.

I used to be against erect Ks because I thought they made my IC too strong, tightening the base and making me shorter. I felt I could focus on the BC way more easily while flaccid, but now that I have a much better awareness of the muscles I can focus erect Ks on the BC just fine and they look like a good option again, in fact I've been experimenting with them for a few days now with zero problems so far.

[maalem Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close maalem]

Hey Stan thanks a lot for getting back to me! I just started PE 2 days ago and my routine is inspired a lot by your basic stretching routine:

I will be doing it 5-6 times a day (3-5 min for each session) - I have set reminders on my phone and after two days, I can say that I am enjoying the process. Each session includes one LockStretch with the right hand, one LockStretch with the left hand (~40-60 sec each), one short, very intense LockStretch with both hands (~20 sec max) and two SockStretches (~15 sec each). Of course, I wash my hands and glans at the beginning of every session, and all the stretching will be done straight out.

Also, my measurements are 8.25" BPEL and 8.5" BPFSL. My goal is to reach 9 BPEL so really all I need is 2cm of EL to attain my goal. I am going to be doing those sessions for a month and see if I gained any stretched length. I will be starting a thread documenting my progress with similar measurement pics to yours i.e. having the measurement part of the ruler on top of the penis to avoid contact with the ligs, ruler and penis will be perpendicular to a line in the background in order to avoid skews. Would absolutely love it if you could keep an eye on it every once in a while if possible Some other questions brother:

Do you think I should be good with my current routine?

Are your casual stretches throughout the day done with the same intensity than the actual sessions? I am currently not doing those, maybe I should find a way to do them as a reflex?

Should I include doing Kegels daily? I don't see the point since I still haven't gained any BPFSL but I will incorporate them if you think it's very important.

If I don't notice any change after a month should I find a way to stretch harder or stretch for a longer time? I feel I'm already stretching as hard as I possibly can and just worried it wouldn't be hard enough to see stretched length gains thus why I asked to see the videos you initially uploaded.

How long did it take you to notice a change in your BPFSL?

I would love to have your thoughts on this. I will probably have more questions for you, it's just that I don't have them all in my mind right now lol. Hope you don't mind me asking them!

Looking forward to hearing back from you!

Edit: Oh and after two days I noticed tiny red dots on the tip of my glans. Did you used to get them as well? Do you think it's grave? Maybe I am stretching too hard but it doesn't seem to hurt me..

[Stan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stan]

I will be doing it 5-6 times a day (3-5 min for each session)

Remember to measure your BPFSL constantly, it will tell you how many sessions you really need, and how to space them optimally.
You want to get a slightly longer measurement after each session, if you don't then bring the sessions closer together. When the measurement doesn't improve anymore do one more session and call it a day.

Each session includes one LockStretch with the right hand, one LockStretch with the left hand (~40-60 sec), one short, very intense LockStretch with both hands (~20 sec max) and two SockStretches (~15 sec each).

You should do the shock stretches before the lock stretches. Just a few of them right before every lock stretch will probably give you the best results.

All the stretching will be done straight out.

Good! You can go a little on the sides too, but definitely avoid any upward/downward stretches for now.

Would absolutely love it if you could keep an eye on it every once in a while if possible

I will!

Do you think I should be good with my current my routine?

Yes sounds good to me. How's your EQ currently? Remember you need 10/10 EQ if you hope to make measurable EL gains.

Are your casual stretches throughout the day done with the same intensity than the actual sessions? I am currently not doing those, maybe I should find a way to do them as a reflex?

Not nearly the same intensity because of the bad grip when I don't wash my hands prior to stretching. If you don't have a tendency to turtle then you probably don't need them, but they sure can't hurt.

Should I include Kegels each day? I don't see the point since I still haven't gained any BPFSL but I will incorporate them if you think it's very important.

If your EQ is 10/10 and your PF feels balanced (no discomfort, no pre-e issues) then you don't need them. There are no rules regarding kegels or reverse kegels, it's strictly a personal thing.

How long did it take you to notice a change in your BPFSL?

About two weeks IIRC.

I will probably have more questions for you, it's just that I don't have them all in my mind right now lol. Hope you don't mind me asking them!

Keep them coming, and good luck on your adventure

[maalem Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close maalem]

Thanks Stan Let's hope for the best!

- So you mean measuring BPFSL after each session? I did that for the last 3 sessions today and I got the same measurement of 8" 7/16. Then I added another session but I’ll probably do a couple more. That will be 9 sessions in total. Don't really get what you meant by slightly longer? I'm sorry man English is not my first language... Also, I currently have my sessions one hour away from each other. Should I bring them even closer if I don't see daily slight gains?

- Got it. Will do one ShockStretch of about 15 seconds before every LockStretch just to warm things up before each stretch.

- My EQ depends on the situation. When I am masturbating on my own I think I get an 8 or 9/10. However, when I am having sex EQ would be 10/10 like rock hard.

[Stan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stan]

So you mean measuring BPFSL after each session? I did that for the last 3 sessions today and I got the same measurement of 8" 7/16.

Make sure you pull really hard when measuring your BPFSL. Look at it as a stretching exercise in itself. You want to always get the absolute highest reading possible.
Try measuring first thing in the morning vs. late in the evening and see if there's a difference.

I currently have my sessions one hour away from each other. Should I bring them even closer if I don't see daily slight gains?

I thinik it's a good starting point.

Will do one ShockStretch of about 15 seconds before every LockStretch just to warm things up before each stretch.

You don't need 15 seconds, just yank it hard and fast a dozen times before every stretch. And straight out only, not even a bit below horizontal for now.

My EQ depends on the situation. When I am masturbating on my own I think I get an 8 or 9/10. However, when I am having sex EQ would be 10/10 like rock hard.

Good. Now you must prepare to be able to get to the same 10/10 while edging, that's how the EL gains will eventually materialize.

[Stan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stan]

I think I went a little overboard with my maintenance routine the other day, felt one of those shifts and shot my EQ and sensitivity again. It's already getting better though.
The CS is still improving little by little, now I can feel some meat all along but still no real bulging in the last 2 inches or so.
I've had zero episodes of PF discomfort since I've stopped doing RKs, but on most days I still can't do proper front kegels the way I used to, they either feel like they don't go all the way up or like they don't extend all the way to the tip. EQ, sensitivity and turtling are clearly all related to that. I'm still experimenting with erect kegels, undecided on any positive effects yet but they don't seem to do any harm either.

[tspot180 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tspot180]

but on most days I still can't do proper front kegels the way I used to, they either feel like they don't go all the way up or like they don't extend all the way to the tip. EQ, sensitivity and turtling are clearly all related to that.

Were those erect front kegels you mentioned, not going all the way?
Do you mean by front kegels, doing a "root lock" and sort of transitioning from that to a strong regular kegel that feels like it's going up the shaft ? Or is the front kegel done without the regular kegel motion?

[Stan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stan]

Were those erect front kegels you mentioned, not going all the way?

No, flaccid. The erect kegels I do are lighter and mostly for expanding the CS and the head.

Do you mean by front kegels, doing a "root lock" and sort of transitioning from that to a strong regular kegel that feels like it's going up the shaft ?

It's the other way around, I try to feel it in the head first, then down the shaft, in the BC, and eventually in the PC but still focusing on the BC and without losing the connection to the head. When I can do that and get that crunched up feeling in the BC it's a good kegel in my book but that feeling is nearly impossible to achieve these days, like the BC just can't be flexed hard enough.

[maalem Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close maalem]

Hey Stan, how exactly do you usually call a BPFSL measurement official first thing in the morning? Do you take multiple measurements or just one and go by that? Just wondering as I want to go through the same process for tracking BPFSL. Looking forward to hearing from you mate

[Stan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stan]

Hey Stan, how exactly do you usually call a BPFSL measurement official first thing in the morning? Do you take multiple measurements or just one and go by that? Just wondering as I want to go through the same process for tracking BPFSL. Looking forward to hearing from you mate

I always did 2-3 measurements in a row. Night wood and amount of sleep affect stretchability, especially in the morning, so you're always going to see some variability there, but when you see a higher reading than ever before it will most likely be a real gain. I still strongly suggest that you also measure after every stretching session though.