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I figured that would be the case. I'll continue to push either or both as circumstances permit and as best I can. Looking through your posts Rock, you got your gains with up to 5 hour sessions didn't you? Averaging around the 4 hour mark?
Sunday 11 July
Did 3 hours with the longer rods; had to take a 90 minute break to get groceries; then another 3 hours. I wound it out a little during the first session and tried again during the second but it was getting a bit much.
I'm hoping I can stay on the second set of rods at work ... but we'll see.
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Monday 12 July
I decided to stay with the slightly longer extender rods and I managed just under 3½ hours before it became too distracting. Strangely, it is both a burning sensation and emerging numbness around the glans. I started with short shake breaks at the hour mark but that was becoming harder to reach. So I took a 90 minute break, started again, and did just over 2 hours more.
With the current extender rods I’m held close to the 600g mark which is tighter than the shorter rods but good if I can stay there. Starting to think about the need for some traction wrapping or something gentle after my extender work each day.
Tuesday 13 July
Got to just over 4 hours today. When I need to take breaks more frequently than 30-45 minutes, it’s time to stop. The extender appeared to be just under the second line, ie < 600grams. Took a 90 minute break and then started again and did 2 more hours.Last edited by Stumpy; 07-13-2010, 03:45 AM.
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Wednesday 14 July
Got close enough to 4 hours in my first session. I thought I’d go longer but it caught up with me. Took a 90 minute break and then did close to 2 more hours.
Thursday 15 July
Wore the extender pointing up today which is easier to conceal under a suit and felt quite comfortable at first. But I gave it up a bit over 3 hours in. Took a 3 hour break and then went for another hour.
Did a very quick measure in the evening and there’s no change.
Friday 16 July
I decided I’ve been going too hard and so I dropped the extender rods back and go for a gentler stretch over a longer time frame. I did 4 hours on; 2 hours off; 2 hours on; 1hour off; and 1 hour on. So 7 hours of stretching at or slightly above the 300g mark.
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Saturday 17 July
4 + 1 + 1. So 6 hours all up at 300g.
Sunday 18 July
2 + 2 + 2. So another 6 hours at about 300g.
I’ve found a few sites that have been useful in reflecting on my extender use. Reasonably consistent with Andropenis, my intention is to aim for at least 9 hours a day at a lower tension and gradually build it up by around ½ cm a week.
Monday 19 July
4 + 2 + 2 + 3. 11 hours at 300g; but by the end it was pulling less than 300 … a good sign I hope.
Tuesday 20 July
4 hr; 3hr; and 2 hr sessions with 1 hr breaks in between seemed like a sensible way to make the 9 hours. I do quick shake breaks every hour or two during my extender times plus some helicopter spins and up to 10 JAIs (mainly to the right to compensate for the lie of the extender!).
Wednesday 21 July
5hr; 2hr; and 4hr sessions with around 1 hr breaks in between; so 11 hours all up. The extender is sitting at 300g for most of the sessions, but very slightly less by the end. Occasional helicopters and JAIs throughout.
Thursday 22 July
4hr; 3½hr; and 3hr sessions with around 1 hr breaks in between; so 10½ hours all up at 300g.
Friday 23 July
5hr; 2½hr; and 2hr sessions with usual breaks in between; so 9½ hours all up at 300g. Could have gone an hour or two longer but I'm taking it up ½ cm from tomorrow so I decided to rest.
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Saturday 24 July
Took it out around the ½ cm today. The pressure was slightly heavier than 300g which isn’t a significant jump. It’s going to be difficult resisting the temptation to go up quicker or by bigger amounts but I’ll try to step up each Saturday which is consistent with the andropenis standard program and weekends always seem fairly comfortable (it’s the track pants!).
I lost track of the sessions but it was something like 7½hrs; 1hr; and 3hr sessions with around 1 hr breaks in between; so maybe 11½ hours all up. Occasional helicopters and JAIs throughout.
Sunday 25 July
It’s hard to ensure a precise ½ cm increase just by winding it out because I think there’s a little winding back by itself. Nonetheless, I eye-ball it every so often. Pressure is now in excess of 300g … say, 450g. 4½hr; 2hr; and 3hr sessions with at least 1 hr breaks in between; so 9½ hours all up.
Monday 26 July
4hr; 3 and a bit hr; and more than 2hr sessions with at least 1 hr breaks in between; so around 9½ hours all up. I thought it would be harder today but it was fine. I was surprised that after the final session it was back to 300g … which I hope is a good sign.
Tuesday 27 July
A bit over 4hrs; 3hrs; and 2hrs; so a bit over 9 hours all up.
Wednesday 28 July
Around 4½hrs; 3½hrs; and 1½hrs; so about 9½ hours all up.
Thursday 29 July
4½hrs; 4hrs; and 2hrs; so 10½ hours all up.
Friday 30 July
At home in track pants today. I noticed (similar to Rockoffox) that wearing the extender constantly to the left may be having an impact so I might try and compensate to the right on weekends … it’s easier in trackies than work trousers. Wound it out a mm or so in readiness for tomorrow’s ½ cm increase. Interestingly it’s sitting at (or only slightly over) 300g which I hope is a good sign.
Took my first break at the 5hr mark although I felt I could easily have gone on. Then 1½hrs and then 3 more hours in the evening. So 9½ hours all up.
Wound the extender out the next 5mm in readiness for the next week … gulp!!
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Saturday 31 July
The extender started off just shy of the 600g line, perhaps 450 or so. Side measurement is now 10cm. Commitments interfered quite a bit with my sessions but I just managed 1½hrs; 4¼hrs; 4hrs with a lot of beaks in the final set. So, surprisingly, I still made a bit under 10 hours all up.
Sunday 1 August
The extender started at the 600g line but eased out to 450g during the sessions. 5 hrs; 2½hrs; and 2 hrs sessions. So 9½ hours all up. Went fairly smoothly really.
Monday 2 August
5hrs; 3 hrs; and 2hrs, so 10hours all up. Largely sat a bit over the 450g line.
Tuesday 3 August
Struggled a little to get my first 4 hour session and also a 3½ hour session. Then finished with a 1½ hour session to just get me to my 9 hours.
I’ve formed the view that having the extender pointing up is more difficult to maintain than pointing down … at least when standing or sitting. It may be different if you are lying down for the session. My feeling is that when it is pointing up, it further impedes the circulation of blood to your unit and increases feelings of pain and/or numbness.
[I find it a little ironic that you can experience both pain and numbness].
I think that pointing down assists a little with retaining blood flow and I find it easy to go for longer periods without breaks. Upwards, I generally last an hour or less before it becomes too distracting. Downwards, I can go for 2 or more hours without the need for a ‘shake break’.
Wednesday 4 August
I struggled a little again to get my first 4 hour session and almost gave up before the end of a 3 hour session but circumstances at work forced me to forge on with the last 20 minutes or so. Maybe the 5mm increase is catching up? I’m not sure. I might see if some different padding at the strap and base helps?
A 2 hour session to finish and bring me to 9 hours all up.
Thursday 5 August
4½ hours; 3½ hours; and 2 hours … so 10 hours all up. Went fairly smoothly really.
Friday 6 August
4 hour session went fine; glad to finish the 3 hour session but it was okay; 1 hour; and 2 hours … so 10 hours all up. Another reasonable day and another week down.
I did a very quick measure during the week and there’s no change. Still … tomorrow I step up another 5mm!
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Saturday 7 August
Again the extender started off at about the 600g line, and the side measurement is now 10½cm. It always goes well in track pants and I went for 6¼hrs on my first session; but the 2¼ hours on my second session was a little harder; and then half an hour later to just scrape together the 9 hours.
Sunday 8 August
A day littered with family commitments: 3½ hours; 1¼ hours; and 3½ hours so only 8¼ hours today. Let’s see if I can make it up tomorrow.
Monday 9 August
4½ hours went reasonably well although just doing the first 4 hours might have been better. Perhaps as a consequence I ended up cutting short the next session at 1¾ hours; then 2 hours; and then another 1¾ hours, for 10 hours all up … which balanced out yesterday’s shortfall.
Tuesday 10 August
My first ‘stretch’ lasted 5½ hours and that went surprisingly well. I had shake breaks throughout, but nothing less than an hour apart. Next session went for 2½ hours. It could possibly have gone longer but I was needing a break. And then a final session which I struggled a little to take to 2¼ hours for a total of 10¼ hours.
Wednesday 11 August
Once again I had resolved to stick to 4:3:2 to make up my 9 hours but office circumstances dictated otherwise. So my first session was 4½ hours which went fine; 3¼ hours; and 2 hours to take me to 9¾ hours all up.
Thursday 12 August
5 hours; 3 hours; 2 hours so 10 hours all up.
Friday 13 August
For the next 2 weeks I’ll have changed work circumstances which may force me to juggle the sessions a little more. I got a small taste of that today. So I squeezed in a first session of 2½ hours.
I managed to get my second session to 3¼ hours with frequent breaks near the end. I was getting a little discomfort and I noticed a bit of a ridge (slightly callus like) below the glans where the strap presses so I added a small wrap late in the session … not sure that it helped so I abandoned it in the next 1½ hour session. Dabbed some tea tree oil on that callus and then I did another 2½ hours in the evening to take me to 9¾ hours.
In preparation for a new week I added the next 5mm on the extender by winding it right back down and then putting the next size rods in. That now takes the sides to 11cm.
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Saturday 14 August
I wish every day was Saturday. I’ve wound the extender out 5mm and it is starting at the 600g mark or higher. 7½ hours for the first session! I wouldn’t say the session was easy, but it’s much more comfortable in trackies than trousers and regularly moving around helps.
Given the level of stretch, slippage over the glans looks like it might become an issue. Had to re-strap shortly into my second session and stopped at 1 hour. Then another hour later on for 9½ hours all up.
Sunday 15 August
I knew 9 hours wasn’t going to be possible due to commitments but I’m not going to sweat it. If I can get at least 5 hours today and for the next fortnight I’ll be happy enough. I also have a feeling I won’t be winding the extender out any further for a few weeks. This is now quite a strong pull.
First session was 1 hour; then 2¼ hours; then 1½ hours; then 3 hours in the evening. So a surprising 7¾ hours all up.
Monday 16 August
4½ hours; 1 hour; 2½ hours; then 1½ hours in the evening. So a surprising 9½ hours all up.
Tuesday 17 August
2 hours; 2½ hours; 1½ hours; 2¼ hours; 1½ hours. So again, a surprising 9¾ hours all up
Wednesday 18 August
2 hours; 2 hours; and a big 5 hours in the evening to make the 9 hours all up.
Thursday 19 August
4 hours; 3¼ hours; 1 hour; and 1½ hours for 9¾ hours total.
Friday 20 August
3¼ hours; 4 hours; and 2¼ hours for 9½ hours all up.
So that’s another week down and I’m surprised at how well it went. I’m due to wind it out another 5mm tomorrow so let’s see how that goes!!
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Mate I thought I'd drop in and see how it's going. And it looks like your going well. Done any measurements yet? It's a good feeling winding the extender out isn't it coz it means progress. Can't wait to see how you go when you've measured, let me know how it goesAugust 09
NBPEL 6.25
BPFSL 7 & 7/16
BPEL - 6.9
EG 5.4
Current
BPFSL 8 5/8
BPEL 7 15/16
EG 5.75 (approx 6" mid)
NBPEL - approx 7"
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Hey Rock ... I dropped by your site last night and you hadn't been in for weeks. I checked again 20 minutes later and you'd posted!! I was just going to post you a message to say welcome back, so thanks for dropping by here.
I did some very quick measures of NBPEL during the week: but I find measuring really difficult. Anyway, there was nothing conclusive, but I’m getting hopeful that growth is coming. In truth, I think there's a couple of mm ... but there's not enough for me to be willing to call it. I think when I see that first cm I'll be willing to call it then. But I'm clearly a hard gainer ... lol ...
. But ... I'm determined, and I appreciate you setting me on the extender path.
And so to this week ...
Saturday 21 August
Sessions today were ¾ hour; 5¼ hours; 1 hour; and a bit of a tough 2½ hours for 9½ hours all up. The side arm of the extender is now wound out to 11.5cm and the tension is still sitting around the 600g mark so I hope that’s a good sign. One impact of extending the unit is that it presses back into the fat pad, but I’m sure that wouldn’t account for the whole 5mm.
Sunday 22 August
I’m finding it easier to strap in at 11cm and then wind it out to get the extra 5mm. The extender then pulls at upwards of 600g at the beginning but eases out a little. I did it in two sessions today, but with shake breaks throughout of course. They were 3½ hours and 6½ hours for 10 hours total.
Monday 23 August
4 hours; 2 hours; 2½ hours; and ½ hour for 9 hours in total.
Tuesday 24 August
4 hours; 3 hours; and 2 hours for 9 hours in total.
Wednesday 25 August
2¼ hours; 2¾ hours; 2 hours; 1 hour; 1¼ hours. A bit of a push, but I made 9¼ hours.
Thursday 26 August
Not an easy day. 4 hours; 2 hours; 1 hour; 1 hour; and 1 hour to scrape together the 9 hours.
Friday 27 August
I was on the road today and I though 9 hours was never going to be possible … and I decided not to sweat it. But I got 2 hours early in the morning; 3 hours in the arvo; and 4 hours late evening for the full 9 hours.
And it’s another 5mm from tomorrow so let’s see how that goes.Last edited by Stumpy; 08-27-2010, 06:27 PM. Reason: There were two extra spaces between Tuesday and Wednesday???
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A bit of a tough week physically and mentally ... it was very hard to stay motivated. But, I got the 9 hours every day except one.
Saturday 28 August
The side arms now need to be set at 12cm. But I need to strap in and get secured first at around 11cm before I wind the screws out to 12.
5¼ hours; 2½ hours; and 1½ hours for 9½ hours in total.
Sunday 29 August
5 hours; 1½ hours; and 2½ hours for 9 hours in total.
Monday 30 August
A bit of a tough day. 3 hours; 1 hour; 1¾ hours; 3 hours; and ½ hour for 9¼ hours in total.
Tuesday 31 August
Again, it was hard to get motivated to rack up 9 hours. But I did 3 hours; 4 hours; and 2 hours for 9 hours in total.
Wednesday 1 September
Did my hours at home in track pants between commitments, so it wasn’t too bad. 3½ hours; 1¼ hours; 2 hours; and 2½ hours for 9¼ hours in total.
Thursday 2 September
Another tough day, it’s been hard to stay committed this week. 1¼ hours; 2 hours; 1¾ hours; 1 hour; and 2½ hours for 8½ hours in total.
Friday 3 September
2¾ hours; 2 hours; 1 hour; 2 hours; and 1¼ hours for 9 hours in total.
And so, another 5mm from tomorrow!!
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Saturday 4 September
Wound it out by 5mm this morning to approximately 12.5cm on the side arm. Slippage over the glans will be an issue, so I have to strap in securely and then wind it out to the length. I took a look at the head swell article and I think I’ll need to practice that a little more … difficult, ‘cos I don’t have a large glans. I’m starting at the third (900g?) line.
5½ hours; ¾ hour; and 3¼ hours to make 9½ hours.
Sunday 5 September
Family commitments meant I could only do 4 hours and 3 hours so 7 hours all up.
Monday 6 September
3 hours; 1¾ hours; 1 hour; and 3¼ hours for 9 hours in total.
Tuesday 7 September
2¾ hours; 1¼ hours; 1 hour; 1¾ hours; and 2¼ hours for 9 hours in total.
Wednesday 8 September
3 hours; 1½ hours; 1¼ hours; 2½ hours; and ¾ hours for 9 hours in total.
Thursday 9 September
1¾ hours;2¼ hours; 1 hour; 1 hour; and 3 hours for 9 hours in total.
Friday 10 September
3¼ hours; 1¾ hours; 1 hour; and 3 hours for 9 hours in total.
During the final session I tried winding it out another 5mm as practice for tomorrow, but I can’t see this working as it gradually slips back over the glans. So I may be staying put at 12.5cm for another week?
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Saturday 11 September
8 weeks at 9 hours a day has taken its toll … particularly mentally. That’s over 500 hours with no measurable results and I’m increasingly experiencing days where I just don’t want to do it. And there’s no way I can wind out another 5mm. So I’m toying with dropping back to 6 hours and keeping the stretch at 12 or so cm. Today I only did ¼ hour; 2¼ hours; ¾ hour … so 3¼ hours all up.
Sunday 12 September
I’ve decided I’m going to go with 6 hours from now on, probably in 3 lots of 2 hours. I’m also going to start at a moderate tension and wind it out a little during the session.
2 hours; 2½ hours; and 2 hours for 6½ hours.
Monday 13 September
2½ hours; 1¼ hours; and 2½ hours for 6¼ hours all up.
Tuesday 14 September
Only did 1¼ hours.
Other commitments got in the way but my heart just isn’t in this any more. A year of PE including well over 500 hours of strict extender use over the last 2 months with nothing to show for it.
Stumpy signing out!
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9 March 2011: 10 minutes dh clamp, ext 1 hour
12 March 2011: 10 minutes dh clamp, ext 1 hour
13 March 2011: 10 minutes dh clamp, ext 2 hours, increased bars
14 March 2011: 5 minutes dh clamp, ext 2 hours, increased bars
Commenced 40 shower jelqs
15 March 2011: 10 minutes dh clamp with some bends, ext 1½ hours, started on 2cm bars
16 March 2011: 5 minutes dh clamp with some bends, ext 1½ hours, started on 2cm bars
17 March 2011: 10 minutes dh clamp with some bends, ext 1½ hours, started on 2cm bars
19 March 2011: 15 minutes dh clamp with bends, ext 3 hours with 10 min rice sock at 2 hours, started on 2cm bars
20 March 2011: 15 minutes dh clamp with bends, ext 2 hours with 10 min rice sock at 2 hours, started on 2cm bars
21 March 2011: 10 minutes dh clamp with some bends, ext 1 hour, started on 2cm bars
22 March 2011: 10 minutes dh clamp with some bends, ext 1 hour, started on 2cm bars
23 March 2011: 10 minutes dh clamp with some bends, ext ½ hour, started on 2cm bars
24 March 2011: 10 minutes dh clamp with bends, ext 1 hour, started on 2cm bars
26 March 2011: 15 minutes dh clamp with good bends, ext 2 hours with 20 min rice sock during, started on 2cm bars
27 March 2011: 10 minutes dh clamp with some bends, ext 1 hour, started on 2cm bars
28 March 2011: 10 minutes dh clamp with good bends, ext 2 hours, started on 2cm bars
29 March 2011: 5 minutes dh clamp with bends, ext 1hour on 2cm bars
30 March 2011: 10+ minutes good dh clamp with bends, ext 1 hours, started on base bars
31 March 2011: 10 minutes avg dh clamp with bends, ext 1½ hours, started on base bars
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