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Don't eat pork; it is in the bible. Well it seems that little bug in the pork kept killing people. Early people didn't really understand so they said it must be an unclean meat in Gods eyes so don't eat it. It gave sense to not eating it and maybe prevented more people from getting sick and dying.

Yes some pick and choose but others read with an open heart and comon sense and interpret using the goodness, the Godness, that is in all of us to try and understand what it is that He meant.

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If a child dishonors his mother or father he shall be put to death! Well that one isn't in my bible but there are many diiferent varieties of the bible isn't there.

This is exactly what I was talking about on the previous page, picking and choosing the bits that you like

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Happy will he be that grabs ahold and does dash to pieces
Your children against the crag.,( psalms 137-9 ) in my Bible.

It is easy to find different meanings," the children" may refer to those born of the ones holding the jews as slaves and captives. Remember that the Jews in that passage were not on their own soil but that of their captors. Not all words can be taken literally and must be interperated to the meaning of those words used in the day of the scriptures. The meaning you understand and the meaning that I see are two very different meanings. You seem inclined to view all you have quoted in a negative light.

What is your understanding of the bride of Christ? I would bet you and I have a different view, and where does it tell how many will go to heaven, is that the bride of Christ, is it a she or many? When and where does it speak of these things. Some would take the term " bride of Christ" as a statement saying that he will have a wife as we do, a lady but that is not the meaning. Interesting how different the interpretations can be.

I love this thread

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I believe that the bride of christ is widely interpreted as meaning his followers, or his church to be more precise. Those that follow Jesus/God are granted access to heaven.

I'd strongly recommend that anyone interested in the theological aspects of christianity read Richard Dawkin's excellent "the God delusion"

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I believe that the bride of christ is widely interpreted as meaning his followers, or his church to be more precise. Those that follow Jesus/God are granted access to heaven.

I'd strongly recommend that anyone interested in the theological aspects of christianity read Richard Dawkin's excellent "the God delusion"

I do not agree with Dr. Hawkins in any way, he has his own agendas.

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Cusps hate toads....lol cusp this is why you should stick around!

IMO the OT laws were given to the jews.I believe in the NT someone says it isn't being circumcised which matters anymore but loving god ( i don't know for sure ).

The laws given to the Jews are followed by them and Jesus advocated them for the Jews of his generation and following to follow.That i'm sure doesn't apply to those who believe in him.

But he also said it is better to cut off the part that caused you to sin than the whole body to go to hell.It can be interpreted as cutting off your arm or just distancing yourself from certain types in the body of Christ.

I also am sure the " Bride " is the church.

Keep it coming fellows!

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The bride is the 144,000 chosen that will ascend to heaven to help to rule Gods kingdom, it is in revelations. The church is definitely not the Bride. The church will be in deep doo doo when the time is right.

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Oh...

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And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty‐four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.²And I heard a sound out of heaven as the sound of many waters and as the sound of loud thunder; and the sound that I heard was as of singers who accompany themselves on the harp playing on their harps.³And they are singing as if a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one was able to master that song but the hundred and forty‐four thousand, who have been bought from the earth.⁴These are the ones that did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins. These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes. These were bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb,⁵and no falsehood was found in their mouths; they are without blemish.


Revelations 14, 1-5

[camaro Senior Member Member of the month June 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close camaro]

They are all men?

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Yes, but it is not a bride as in men and women, his bride speaks of their union for a common cause. they are not speaking of a physical sense. In a marriage the ring symbolizes union. Together with Christ the 144,000 will form a union to rule Gods Kingdom and that is why they are referred to as the bride.

Also they are clean, the word virgin does not always refer to sex, it can be used in other contexts.

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Anyway, revelations 7:

7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
7:5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
7:6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, ofall nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Only 144,000 jewish christians have places in heaven (which is presumably full by now), the rest go to hell. There have already been 144,000 Jewish christians (presumably) since the birth of christianity, so bad news for you guys, heaven's quota is full.

This "quota" doesn't apply to the vast majority of modern christians, only those who are directly descended from the original tribes of Israel.

That's my interpretation of the verse anyway.

[camaro Senior Member Member of the month June 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close camaro]

What about the rest of the christians?

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They're fine I guess.

But there are parts of the bible which indicate that no human souls are in heaven, that nobody can pass the pearly gates until Jesus' second coming, until he descends on a cloud.

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So the rest go to heaven after all?