"From PE to MMO"- Minuteman's Orgasmic log

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Oh dear the hardship mmo causes,lol.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Yeah the drama

But mostly that are other problems that mind just projects as mmo problems, if only the solution of the problem in mmo would project back as the solution of that meta problem, maybe it can't completely but it can fix a small part, or maybe be a temp fix, 'ho knows....

But in the end it all boils down dealing with the meta problems, the good thing is that the solution of the meta problem can remove the problem projected in mmo , of course if the problem itself isn't physical in nature, but I thinks it may even be applied to some problems of that category too.

But since we are different same meta problems can project in different way in each person.

But ironically the solution to most meta problems is "Don't worry be happy". And again, ironically that solution is probably the hardest one to do. And yet again the irony of this statement is that it isn't even ironic. ;p

Just kiddin'. The rant kinda came naturally.

What can I say, I'm just weird like that sometimes.
Must be the aftershock form all the porn i deleted.

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Laughing!
"Aftershock"! I love it!

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Ok, did some fun stuff last night.

I got an erection so i decided to do some kegels, and tried some ballooning but since i was to lazy to get my briefs all the way down i put them so that the elastic part was on half of my penis, and when i did a kegel i notice that it took me more to do it.

It was like my dick was doing sit ups but with weights on him, i wonder if i can use this

Also i tried a balloon meditation. It is where you get into any meditative stance you clear your mind and focus only on the sensations of the ballooning but truing not to analyze it but just see it for what it is. I just observed the sensations and didn't attach any sexual feeling to it... it was interesting. I ballooned in many ways not just the sweet spot, but almost every spot on my penis. Of course as in all forms of mediation the idea is to consciously focus and relax any tensioned part of my body, including of course the pelvic floor muscles too, i noticed that whenever i go over one spot my kegel kick in so i was trying not to do it, and after some time it worked, until i lost focus when it came back again.

Thankfully now I had a positive attitude and didn't even get to ponr or anything and i felt good and refreshed, i little victory for me

After that i ballooned myself to sleep But put it in just as i was about to fall asleep. It is interesting to feel your conscious slip away while your hands are on "auto" and zoning in just to find your hands still doing the work. A human body, mind and soul are a wonder to behold.

Also a massage helped to un-tense my erection since it felt like my pennis was a little fatigued. I woke up with an erection and it was completely without fatigue or tension

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The under thing is a version of rubber band kegels ,there is a thread somewhere.

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Sounds like excellent progress.
(I never got the hang of ballooning.)

[BeatIt Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BeatIt]

I am fully capable of having a dry orgasm, but I prefer not to. sometimes when I do I end up damaging my BC muscle for a few days at a time. I really dont think it is a safe thing to do...
After a dry orgasm has anyone experienced any pain around their kidneys a day later? the pain is felt when I move so I assume it is muscular. Also, my pee stream is not as strong, and sometimes i feel the urge like I have a lot of pee but only a little comes out...

So basically im turned off to dry orgasm =D

also pelvic floor pain has occurred intermittently

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It helps being uncircumcised, since the overall glands are more sensitive and mostly moist so when i balloon i do it with my foreskin over and that is very sensual and nice.

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I am fully capable of having a dry orgasm, but I prefer not to. sometimes when I do I end up damaging my BC muscle for a few days at a time. I really dont think it is a safe thing to do...
After a dry orgasm has anyone experienced any pain around their kidneys a day later? the pain is felt when I move so I assume it is muscular. Also, my pee stream is not as strong, and sometimes i feel the urge like I have a lot of pee but only a little comes out...

So basically im turned off to dry orgasm =D

also pelvic floor pain has occurred intermittently

I thought that too in the beginning, but once i had a clean DO it felt 100% natural to me.

This somehow sounds more like retrograde ejaculation to me than a dry orgasm.

When i have a clean dry orgasm i feel absolutely no pain anywhere, my pee is clean, my erection stays. Maybe you should check your prostate.

This is all happening because you have under developed pelvic floor muscles, so that when you try to do the DO you over strain your body and end up with a retro ejaculation.

i recommend doing kegels and going to a doctor to get your proastate and eventualy the kidneys checked out (the blood and urine analysis should be enough for the kidneys how ever prostate requires more).

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Hmm srg, some mild soreness in the pelvic floor is not unusual,like you have worked hard in the gym. You are describing more pain than I have heard of though as MM states it may be a health issue.

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I plan to devise a workout routine for kegeling in such way that it can be done daily but not over strain the muscles. The point of this work out is more flexibility, control and persistency rather than jutst raw power.

For the sake of presentation and wishing to keep this all in one place i will list the kegel r/kegel variations and their descriptions if somebody notices something wrong or has another variation to contribute please do so.

Ok.

EDIT: For the updated list go here.

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Flacid Forms
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Flaccid forms means just that, a exercise done while flacid or 40-50 erected not more, this is because in the beginning steps we wish to avoid injury that can be done while fully erect. Even if you are advance go trough this exercise honestly and the you will know if your pelvic floor muscles are really ready for more.

Regular Kegel :

Done flaccid, or at 40-50% of erection

It is done by clenching and relaxing the muscles just behind your balls, the point of focus should be that spot even if another stuff (like anus or lower abs) move. The idea of this practice is building a regular strength in pelvic floor area, rising awareness of that muscle group so that one can notice when it is tensed during the sessions, and for better control. They should be done not to strong but not too weak, and at a medium pace.

Root Lock Kegel:

It is done by clenching and relaxing your anus, the point of focus should be that spot even if another stuff (like behind the balls or love abs) move. The idea is helping the body to differentiate between those and the regular kegels. Both of the types of the kegels are useful for adding the control and balancing the muscles to probably avoid fatigue and maybe injury. I noticed that if i do to many of the regular kegels and not much of those, that my muscles tiering faster. Take notice that you are generally using the same muscle but strengthening the different part of it, which will help do add the power to the kegel hold during DO, at least until you are experienced enough just to use muscles behind your balls to do it.

In most of the next exercises the spot behind the balls and the anus should be contracted at the same time to increase the effect and there is not much point in doing them separate (at least for now), however one can do them apart if one desires so... the point of Root Lock Kegel is more helping you differentiate than anything else.

Rapid Kegels/Root locks

Done flaccid, or at 40-50% of erection

As fast as you can clench and de clench the pelvic floor muscles, the clench strength should be medium to low, the point of interest is speed and coordination, make your kegels same but very fast and synchronized. The idea behind this is rising the coordination and the flexibility, and since it is low in power it is a good massage technique for preventing the fatigue.

Whisper kegels/root locks

Done at any point, but should be done in both flacid and fully erect state. The kegel and root lock variation shold be done separate here.

Kegel is not all about power and speed as much as it is about the control and the technique. The idea is to do kegels as week as you can to the point that you can just barely feel them, in the way you feel your pulse. The speed should be moderate and closer to your pulse.

This one is usually never done, but it helped me allot for cultivating wave/rolling orgasms. Also it will help you easier to notice those unconscious kegels that you tend to do sometimes.

Wave Kegels

This one should be done at flaccid, and latter on when more experienced at full erect state.

The idea is to create a sort of wave in your pelvic floor area. In other words first you clench behind your balls then declench and clench your anus then declench and clench behind your balls. The power and speed aren't that important as is important not to stop but go from kegel to root lock without pause.

The good thing about this one if that it helps you coordination. The exercise is flesible so that you can them with rapid kegels and root locks, or whisper kegels or root lock, and for those that what even more you can do it with kegel holds.

Notice how it makes you feel when starting with a root lock and when starting with a kegel, i for example notice the difference. Also try to focus on the wave like sensation it can give to you at the PONR, it might help you achieve interesting stuff

SloMo Kegel/Root lock

In flaccid.

Start by slowly clenching your kegel for 5 seconds, then slowly de-clench for 5 seconds. This is an advance form and should be done when you are feeling at home with the regular kegels. later on you can keep it at 5 seconds or rase it to more, but notice that here you should not hold, just clench and de-clench. The accent here is on slow/gradual progression.

Whisper Kegel/Root lock hold akka the Half-Kegel. tnx to sgrrsh26 for bringing my attention to this one. Original topic here.

Instead of doing a regular whisper kegel/root lock, just do a very very weak kegel hold, so weak that you can just barely feel it. Experiment with root lock and whisper kegel variation. This should be mostly done in erect state, where the results can be seen easier.

The good thing about this exercise/hold is that it can eliminate unconscious kegeling and there fore help in lasting longer, since it isn't strong so it wont bring you to PORN faster, but it won't allow unconscious kegels. I'm yet to verify this, but is sounds very logical.

sgrrsh26 have reported that it helps him in lasting longer.

The strength of the hold should be weak to very weak, but as sgrrsh26 says, one should find his own "sweet spot", in other words his own strength that fits one best.

Kegel/Root Lock Hold

Done in flaccid state

Easy, clench your kegel then wait a few secconds then release. In the beginning limit yourself to 5 seconds then go to 10 seconds, if you wan't to go higer go, however i see little point in holding the kegel for more than 20seconds, at least in this exercise. In this exercise concentrate more on the lasting of the kegel than the strength of the clench

This is solely for the muscle strength.

Power kegel/root lock

Done in flacid state

In this one you are to hold the clench the muscles as strong as you can then release. This is used to increase the strength.

Reverse Whisper kegel/root lock

Do a kegel hold then de-clench just a little and then clench it back, do not de-clench all the way, just enogh that you feel the de-clenching.

This one is useful to teach you and make you aware of the fact that your kegel hold while preforming a DO is always weakening just a little bit, so in order to prevent it from fully de-clenching or de-clenching to much you clench it again. It also builds strength because it is it is a kegel hold.

In actuality you are doing this when you do the regular kegel hold in the beginning, because you are trying to make the hold the same intensity but are gradually weakening the clench.

The useful variation in helping get a stronger kegel hold is to clench stronger after each little de-clench. This helps build more power.

Triangle Kegel/Root lock Hold

This one is more advanced and it is done in flaccid.

When you can do a kegel hold for 10-15 seconds start this one.

Lets pick the 15 seconds. For the first 5 seconds slowly clench you muscle, then at the top strength hold for 5 second, then SLOWLY release for 5 seconds. This is probably one of the hardest one to master, again the accent is on being gradual. This is like doing a very slow push-up.

Breathing kegel/root lock hold

Done in flaccid.

Do a kegel hold, but try to breathe as normally as you can. For those people like me who have problems in separating the muscles, this exercise is probably the hardest, and requires much concentration, especially when edging.

Reverse kegels/root lock

In may ways an advance form of kegel and reported to help to allot of people in having better control over the premature ejaculation issues. This is done in order to trach your body to relax those muscles. As the time passes in learning one will learn to simply relax those muscles rather than doing the reverse kegel, but it may take a while so revese kegels should alway be a part of the work out routine.

The point of focus here is a little bit different, while the root lock variation is more or less the same (be careful not to shit your self if you do it to strong lol) the kegel variation is now focused on the behind the balls area and the area around your penis.

The root lock variation is done by trying to fart or to shit out (of curse without the shit), in other words you asshole should open a little bit, and the area between your anus and between anus and balls should feel a little inflated.

The kegel variation is a little bit harder and the idea is that the anus should not move at all and that you should try to inflate the area between your belly and your dick and the area between anus and balls, this one is allot easier to do while erected. One more way of finding the right muscles for this is trying to force the urine to flow much faster out than usual, you might remember doing this while you pee in hurry

In difference with regular kegels/root lock, you should not aim to do them as strongly as you can, but more medium to week, because there are here to relax your muscles more than than to build them up, but that does not diminish the importance of it.

You should do them after any stronger kegel exercise (triangle hold, or power kegel etc).

Also the
-Whisper kegel/root lock
-Wave kegel/root lock
-Breathing kegel/root lock

Should be also done but with reverse kegels/root lock instead of the regular.

Member contributions:

Endymion:
One thing that I noticed about RKs is that they're much easier to do without (as much) abdominal interference if you do it with a straight back or with your lower back tucked in. If slightly hunched then I find my abs engaging.

Master SloMO

This one should be done flacid first.

This is an advanced form that should be done when totally at home with many forms of keggels that are mentioned here.

Start by slowly doing a kegel then at the peak slowly de-clench but instead of stopping when fully de-clenched do a reverse kegel slowly, then relax slowly and do a kegel and so on.

It is generally not a hard thing to do, but you can alway make it harder by seting a fixed time of clenching and de-clenching, for example if you do each for 5 seconds you will end up with a 20 second SloMO

Master Wave kegels/root locks

Do a root lock, then instead of toing a kegel, do a reverse root lock then do a kegel and after that reverse kegel, then proceed to a root lock and so on. This is also a good massage relaxation exercise you should not be bothered much with power and speed but coordination and flexibility.

You should also do regular wave kegels because they are much better for getting in the mood.

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Erect forms
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========Caution!==========
All of this exercises mentioned before could and should be done in erect forms, but one should first be at home with the flacid forms in order to avoid potential problems and injury because when you are erected you don't feel much pain and there fore are not aware of the muscle that you are overworking, so in order not to make a blunder you should have a good developed and flexible pelvic floor muscles before going to erect forms.
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Pelvic Lift Variation tnx to smallpackageRay and his wife for this one, original topic here.

Step 1 - Lay on floor on your back (non-prone position) with knees bent. Hands should be on floor next to your hips.
Step 2 - Tighten abdominal as you raise hips from floor until back is straight from shoulder blades to knees. Hold this position. If need be use hands to support hips.
[/b]Step 3 - Do a kegel/root lock *[/b]
Step 4 - Lower hips back to floor before doing another set.

*You can do any kegel/root lock exercise here, flacid, erect and full erect variations, also you can do the reverse kegels and its variations

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Now, the good thing about this practice is that is isolates the pelvic floor muscles quite naturally and forces you to engage them only. The other good ting about it is that you can do any of the exercises.

Towel Raises

Done while erect.

Simply, place a towel over your dick and try to raise it. In beginning use some light towels and when your muscle becomes stronger slowly increase weight but NEVER GO TO FAR.

It is natural for your dick to lose the EQ after a few towel raises so edge it untill the EQ is around 8-9, you should not be doing this on EQ 10 since it can lead to injuries because your dick is then to stiff and even moving it means problems.

Rubber Band kegel variation

When fully erect place the elastic part of your briefs/shorts/whatever on your dick and do a kegel, this can be use to add even more resistance to erect kegels in other word you can do any exercise that has been done in flacid state and erect state with this.

If you want even more resistance pull the elastic part closer to your glands. You should be doing this rubber band kegeling ONLY WHEN YOUR MUSCLE IS VERY WELL DEVELOPED AND YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH DOING THE TOWEL RAISES.

I probably won't be doing this variations since i see no point in going that far....

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These are probably all the forms of kegels that i have been doing, some more some less. Now all that is left is striking a balance between them all and selecting a good well rounded every-day work out routine, and crating a erect routine that i will do once or twice a week.

If you have some ideas of remarks on descriptions, or if you thing that i made some horrible mistake please say so

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Well I am impressed, remember the importance of balance MM.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Thank you, as i gain more experience my descriptions will probably be even more precise. Reverse kegels are my weak point, so i didn't add much as much information as i wanted. Also in the past you have brought to my attention that it is not all in power and i took that to hearth.

Now just to work out the balanced work out, for both flaccid and erected exercises...

[joeboy Member Find all posts View Profile Close joeboy]

Ok hey guys I've been getting DOs on and off now. Pretty cool. But yesterday and today, I managed to stop ejaculation, but after the orgasm, but dick would go soft, right away. That's weird.. Is it weird?

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Maybe you are overdoing it, or maybe the DO made you even horny before because it was the new thing.

Generally both things happen to me, but i always feel much less satisfaction after the first DO so I more or less try to have my fun before the DO then do the DO and if i feel like it I continue for some more just to teach the brain no to go limp, but if i can't i don't force it.

I guess that when i have sex i won't have the lack of stimuli needed to continue after that DO, but now days my penis slowly goes limp since i lose interest... So as far as i know it isn't weird, but Pegasus will have a final say in this since he is much more experienced than me in that department.