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  • This will be a 3 part post.

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    In some of my previous posts I have covered how to get the timing down for DO (bu holing a reverse kegel on PONR and when you feel that a kegel movement is overpowering it switch to a strong kegel hold). In this post I will talk about how to get a feeling in just what way should you activate those muscles at that time and how to learn it. So first was timing now it is technique.

    So which of the kegel exercises is the best one to emulate the way you should be holding a kegel during and ejaculation to have a do?

    The answer is... towel raises.

    Yes, towel raises are the best kegel exercises for this, the reason for that is that when you put a towel on the tip of your penis and try to kegel you will actually lift up the towel (you do this exercise by standing). If you want more weight you can roll up the towel.

    The towel raises activate kegel muscles in the exact way you want them activated during a do, the feeling of a towel raise hold and a kegel hold during DO is the same.

    Now towel raises might not seem like it but they are an advanced exercise so don't be surprised if you can't hold the kegel longer than 10 seconds.

    A very important thing to notice is that there is a several ways to do a kegel and even though it activates same muscles it does it in a different way. Some of those kegels make me ejaculate faster, while towel raised kegels don't have that effect on me.

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    Now on the simmilar topic of DOs and towels something interesting happened to me in the last 2-3 days. Anyway as I was starting to use a towel to increase the QUALITY of my kegel exercises and since I was kinda horny for some reason I made a roll of my towel (which is a very very very soft one, it isn't like silk but you get the point) and as it was hanging from my penis i grabbed the ends of that towel, gently bound it down under my penis and started to masturbate with the help of it, since I'm uncircumcised the towel didn't actually touch my glands but was moving the skin up and down, but was enveloping most of it in a balanced fashion (when you grip with your hand you have fingers on one side so it is no balanced so to speak)

    It was an interesting sensation since it was very pleasurable but not pleasurable enough to make me go to PONR. So I continue to do it for a while (the preassure from the towel was the same as the normal pressure of a hand gripping a penis), around 5-10 minutes and I notice that my erection has started to be much much stronger and even trough my arousal was trough the roof I simply didn't go to PONR.

    The moment I switched to my hands PONR came very fast, so I switched again to towel, and later on again to hands. I repeated that one until i didn't feel the PONR coming when i used only my hands.

    One of the conclusions that I had is that griping you penis with a hand also activates a certain premature ejaculation reflex because the brain still relates it to the time when you wanted to ejaculate fast (or watched porn etc). So by alternating between the towel and my hand I'm actually trying to dissasocate my hand grip from my ejaculation reflex, and it has been working.

    Since I have been also doing towel raises when I was resting from edging I had my muscles conditioned for a good DO. So I preformed a DO and then turned on the porn so that I could re train my brain NOT TO GO FLACCID AFTER DO and I continued to do so until I aproached next PONR and i stoped for that day.

    On the next day in the morning I repeated a similar routine with a towel where I was alternating between my hand grip and a "towel grip" and I was able to edge with hand only without pause (good firm grip) for about 15 minutes with me being close to PONR but not going over it. I also had 2-3 DOs since I had several sessions during that day and I used porn to try to get over the DO flaccid state.

    On the third day (yesterday) I just used a towel to get that a more stronger erection, since for some reason the way the towel is frictioning on my penis really makes it much more harder and makes me last much longer. On that day I had a mix of soft wave orgasms and around seven DO's until that night I finally ejaculated to give my penis some rest.

    In this rare instance porn was actually very useful to me as a tool to condition my brain for DOs and how to deal with it. Also on the third day I watched little to no porn since now after DO I could get hard with more ease.


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    There is one thing that I see around premature ejaculation forums that should be used much more but is almost never used. ROOT LOCKS.

    Root lock is simillar to kegel exercise but it makes you tighten only the musles around your anus and not the kegel area. This is a very important exercise for overall pelvic floor balance and learing how to do it will also help you isolate your muscles better.

    If you wonder why sometimes even if you do a balanced routine stuff isn't working out it is because you don't include root lock and reverse root lock exercises in your menu. They might seem unimportant during sex but as a routine exercise you will do well to include it.

    Because balance isn't just two way (kegel reverse kegel) but is more four way.

    In that manner you should alway experiment with pelvic floor exercises during a diferent state of your arousal (flacid, semi-hard, iron-hard, on ponr, after ejaculation) since you can learn much about arousal control with muscles if you do.

    Who knows maybe a root lock near PONR will help you more than the regular kegel, or maybe whisper kegels will help you experience wave orgasms if you try it close to PONR.

    For bunch of exercises you can click on the link in my signature, if you really want to master your pelvic floor you should try them out. Since if you are having a harder time than usual with some of them it probably means that you are lacking in that field of that your pelvic floor muscles are not conditioned enough.
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    • Ok root lock is also known is back standard kegel and reverse root lock as back reverse kegel..
      So your thought is that imbalance other than stanandard to reverse is more common than generally thought? Am example being front standard out of balance with back standard. This follows the 4 way balance theory that I have commented on a number of times. From memory you area the originator of this theory.

      Recent musing on 4 way from mmo group. https://www.pegym.com/forums/groups/...y-balance.html

      Do you suggest reverse towel raises for those DO through reverse kegels?

      Here is an exercise from mmo group few could comment on in a meningfull way , I would like your input, here or in group, as you prefer. https://www.pegym.com/forums/groups/...-exercise.html
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      • ^ Yeah I think that I have written something about 4 way balance (or at least the importance of the balance between kegel and root lock) before in this topic.

        As for the different names of root lock, the name root lock came from an yoga exercise of the same name, originally that yoga exercise concentrated only on muscles around the anus (you press the heel of your foot to the perineum and contract the anal muscles, in a way if helps the isolation so that one should only use the anal muscles), but nowdays it is mostly expanded to an entire pelvic floor, since even when done with the whole of the pelvic floor there is some benefcion, but for purposes of balancing pelvic floor muscles one should concentrate on isolation.


        I think that DO is more natural when you do it with a kegel instead of a reverse kegel because in this way you are going with the flow and not against it, towel raises can pinpoint the exact way you need to preform a kegel hold DO with more ease and precision, and the "hold-rk then rehold kegel" method is very useful to pin point the exact time/moment one should do that kegel hold. So yes people who preform DO with rk should try towel raises and give it a shot with a kegel hold, once they are properly conditioned they should be able to do with ease.

        I also want to point our that doing a kegel with root lock at the same time and counting it as a kegel is not a proper way to go, since depending on individual strengths you might get a feeling that you are holding a strong kegel when in fact you are not. That is why isolation helps and that is why both towel raises and root locks can increase the quality of your kegel exercises.

        A 50 full pelvic floor kegels insn't the same oas 50 kegel or 50 root locks in quality since in full pelvic floor kegels you are not concentrating on a specific area, while when doing kegels or root locks your are concentrating either on the front of your pelvic floor (kegel) or on the back (root lock).

        Also doing a full pevlic floor kegel hold isn't the same as the bracing techique where you use your abs to help, because by thightening your anus too much you are losing the feeling on how strong you are holding that kegel and most of the time that causes a DO with a kegel hold do be unsuccessful, towel raises and root locks fix that because then you know what you are doing wrong.
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        • Ok this seems to suggest that you feel back or root lock tends to be weak relative to front.
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          As for the different names of root lock, the name root lock came from an yoga exercise of the same name, originally that yoga exercise concentrated only on muscles around the anus (you press the heel of your foot to the perineum and contract the anal muscles, in a way if helps the isolation so that one should only use the anal muscles), but nowdays it is mostly expanded to an entire pelvic floor, since even when done with the whole of the pelvic floor there is some benefcion, but for purposes of balancing pelvic floor muscles one should concentrate on isolation.
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          I mentioned the also known as back standard kegel etc for the benifit of other readers.
          The purpose of the exercise was not kegel strengthening .

          We have differed for some time on the amount of emphasis on isolation.
          To clarify my position.
          A beginer may have little ability to do a kegel or rk at all, if at the start his kegels and rk have some bracing then at least he has made a start. Over time he can develop the ability to isolate kegels and reverse kegels. Now this is usefull for a number of issues including erection quality and pre e training. For many guys this may be as far as they wish to go. For those with 4 way balance issues, or wishing further development ,dry orgasm etc, further training is warranted. At this point one can isolate front from back and do other skill work. Now even at this point I would contend that any of the techniques previously learned have some value.

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          • Have you seen this? https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...-kegels-2.html
            https://www.pegym.com/forums/erectil...-kegeling.html

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            • I know that the sole purpose of the root lock exercises didn't have to do much with pevlic floor muscles for the sake of the balance issues but as always with yoga one exercise usually does a multitude of things one of those was also regulating sex energy, and even though they didn't label it as that it is helpful in that compartment.

              I never said that I think that isolation should be mandatory, as much as it should be a goal (something to go for in the long term plans), especially for people who want to preform DOs, because if you can't properly isolate muscles in pelvic floor most of the time that means you are not conditioned enough to prefom DOs effectively, and most of the times that means that you will have many failed DO attempts.

              And when I say isolation I don't mean a person should focus only on some muscles while disregarding others, just to do them one at a time for increased quality.
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              • Yes so a difference of emphasis basically.

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                • During this journey I can say that my ability to control and overcome my premature ejaculation has really come far, much further than I even though it would. In the last half of year or so my ability to control premature ejaculation was prime and most of the time I have little to no problem to edge for long strides, true I can't do I without pause most of the time but I have no worries about that. I also have learned in what way to breathe and to be able to tell my body/brain that I just don't want to ejaculate now but enjoy the sensations, this is a tricky part that comes with experience and that one much discover for himself, in this log I have written some of the general principles (tension dispersion) one should follow but all the rest is up to the individual.

                  About a week ago something new (or as I would remember it pretty old actually) started to happen. Every time when I wanted to edge I would have this need to go to urinate and my PONR would come in a matter of minutes. At some point I could not even hold my erection and it would go to a semi erected state way to fast. A few days after or so I noticed a new topic https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...-progress.html and i saw the very same problem i had (more or less).

                  If I didn't have this much experience in these matters that I have now I would certanly panic and over analyze, but for most I did the smarter thing a just left it alone for a while, (but in the topic mentioned above i still did a little over analyzation).

                  Later on (a few days later) I would try it again and the very same thing happen, I even though that I maybe am having ED since I could not for the liefe of me get my penis to be fully iron hard erected, and the ponr was also started to worry me, but I still didn't want to force anything so I left it off.

                  This morning I woke up with a semi morning wood and was in an nice morning edging mood so I decided to use that, the same problem occured. Most of the time before even though I felt the need to go to urinate that almost never was a problem due to the hard erection I had, but now since my erection was not so hard the preassure only made my ponr come faster, so I went to the bath room and urinated. When I returned I tried to make it hard again but was even harder to do it. And as I was edging my ponr again was to fast coming.


                  This is the point where the old me and the new me differ drastically, the old me would have forced the ponr and try albeit without success to overcome the ponr by force and ended up having a premature ejaculation. The new me decided to enjoy the card that has been dealt.

                  So instead of trying to edge in a forceful way I concentrated on the sensations that where strong and presurable and just enjoyed then while swiching between edging and ballooning and simply feeling the pleasurable near-ponr sensations over my body in time I forgot all about the need to edge like before and just enjoyed the moment and soon enough my erection came back slowly but surely in that old manner and the need to ejaculate subsided while the need to urinate was gone and I was back in the control. To top things up because I was so close to ponr all this time achieving soft wave orgasm was easy.

                  I mean what I didn't noticed before while I was frustraded and a little bit frightened by my so called ED was that the sensations I felt where very very pleasurable but as soon as I gave up on that somewhat pointless goal things stated to change.

                  This thing that happened here is the one thing I am most glad about since I was able to turn the typical premature ejaculation situation that i remembered then plagued me before and turn it in a successful edging session. I chosed not to ejaculate so that I can that feeling of overcoming a problem and the incredible boost in confidence linger as long as it can. For about and hour or so i felt like I was enveloped in clouds of pleasure, it really felt good to be in this body.

                  So the moral of this "story" is that in order to really overcome something like this you must learn to make lemonade when lemons are given to you, to try and make best of the situation because the point is to enjoy and be pleasured, once in the right mindset everything good comes back in a same way that once you are in a negative mindset everything bad comes back.

                  Also zunamary's topic helped me greatly because in a way his reaction and posting reminded me of my old self and my old mistakes of forcing stuff when I should have just tried and enjoy it as much as I can. So in that light I hope this post might help him in a way that his post helped me.
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                  • Today a little about involuntary kegels.

                    Just a thought: maybe involuntary kegels are not that bad?

                    We all know about involuntary kegels, for most if not all here they are the evil thing that drive us towards the ponr and most of the time overcoming premature ejaculation is mostly base around eliminating or shutting down involuntaries.

                    But the more I advance the more I see involuntaries as a natural part of sex/edging and I also noticed that there are in general two types of involuntaries.

                    The first type is the one you mostly notice and those I would call asynchronous IK (involuntary kegels). Those mostly happens when your pevlic floor is seriosly unbalanced for whatever reason and during a point in sex or edging they just start randomly spasm, most of the time those can be fixed just by having a kegel routine. They almost always lead to PONR

                    On the other hand the second type of IK are synchronous IK (I name things like that so that i can better remember them ) they happen during a certain movements and almost always happen. How useful and good those are is, at least for me, interesting. So in this post I will focus more on SIK.

                    The reason I even started writing about this is that this morning during my morning session I noticed that those IK happened but I was able to shrug off their negative effect with little to no effort, it is like all they did was keeping my erection and giving me pleasure but they didn't drive me as much to PONR as IK usually can. Also since I started noticing them I started to use my kegel whenever a IK started making a flex into a 1-3 second hold. I found it odd that I can simply shurg them off and that is how I noticed those two different types of IK.In my edging routine I added a position where I keep my hands still but thirst with my hips in different ways and I noticed that whenever I thurst as whole of my body flexes so does my kegel. Actually not doing that in certain positions is what drives me to porn faster.

                    In other words rather than truing to shut down SIK why not learn how to function with them, it requires effort but it think it can be worth it.

                    Another part where SIK is very important is wave orgasms especially soft-wave form. Once you get in that zone those specific timings ok SIK actually help prolong the wave and soft wave mostly can't be achieved without them. Most people who only had a few of those wave orgasms probably didn't even notice the SIK since the waves of pleasure can be overwhelming that you simply don't notice that.

                    The problem most beginners encounter is differentiating between those two types of IK. In the beginning both of them will be a problem, simply because you are not used to it. In time you elimiate AIK with a good kegel routine and slowly get used to SIK.

                    Of course this is just something I started thinking about so i will probably notice new stuff as I advance concerning this so take it with a grain of salt.
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                    • The pelvic floor is activated when lifting objetcts, particularly in ackward positions. As you state you don't want to turn off all auto kegels again we come back to control. In this case by learning when not to control.

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                      • I googled around a bit on this "root lock". It appears to me to be just a kegel combined with focus on breathing. Am I wrong on this? Can anyone clarify how it is done?

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                        • Root lock as an yoga exericse is just doing a kegel while focus breathing as you said, in some earlier versions it is actually moving the anal sphicter and holding it then while exhaling you release it, but since most people that are describing the techique mostly don't know that you can actually move back kegels and front kegels separately they just describe the general area (so most people end up doing root lock yoga exercise as clenching both front and back kegels).

                          Root lock as a pevlic floor exercise that we use here is just movement of anal sphicter either by just flexing or holding, i use the name from the exercise because it makes sence to me, most people use back kegels, but then again here most people doesn't even use that exercise at all.
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                          • Today I will write about 12 steps for lasting longer in bed that are recommended by Daniel Rose the author of the Sex God Method book. Being a virgin I don't feel competent enough do have a opinion about his book but in essence I could say that amazon review by almabella is more or less my own.

                            On the other hand I do feel (at least in solo field) competent enough to somewhat review and compare his 12 steps to the my own and also to the general experiences/opinion/philosophy on premature ejaculation forum, more or less.


                            So first of this 12 steps, and a short quotish summary (more or less high lights, not a direct quote, well you get the point):


                            1. Realize there is a problem

                            Most people that don't last long do not admit it.

                            2. Focus on solution

                            See the solution and focus on it 100%. Don't focus on anything else. He talks about immersion here mostly.
                            3. Let yourself be imperfect

                            Don't put pressure on yourself to last long, sometimes you will sometimes you won't, it happens.

                            4. Control your breathing

                            When aroused instinct is to have short, shallow breaths, focus on making them deeper. Recommends to do a breathing exercise 5 seconds slowly breath in, 3 seconds hold, 5 seconds slowly breath out, always from your diaphragm.

                            5. Control your body tension

                            Tensing up during sex is bad for stamina. Recommeds an exercise where we imagine a white light and whatever part of out body it touches it consciously relax. Notes that sometimes we are not even aware of the tensing during sex.

                            6. Learn proper sexual positions

                            Prefer 45 angle positions (doggy style etc) to those that are flat (missionary) since it is better for stamina and it bring some stimulation to her.

                            7. Learn the art of sexual ju jitsu

                            Rather than you thursting in some positions (like doggy style) let her thurst while you are stationary.

                            8. Learn and use more foreplay


                            9. Focus on relaxation and mental stillness, do not focus on limiting arousal

                            Limiting arousal trough distractions and other stuff does not work.

                            10. Eliminate all conscious thoughts

                            Any thought, both positive and negative and all during sex.

                            11. Meditate 5 mins every day


                            12. Stop focusing on stamina

                            Once you can last 45 minutes, stop focusing on it. Let it be absorbed in your subconsciousness, and let it your body do it on autopilot.

                            So, my opinnions:

                            1. Realize there is a problem

                            Realization of the problem is what initially got me here, before that I generally was mostly frustrated by the fact that I can't last longer while pumping continuoslly, since I have no experience that made it even worse because I started comparing myself to porn stars in a duration how long I should last and it brought on even more and it just made me even more confused, so confused in fact that I can't even understand how I wasn't able to see and understand something as simple as PONR.

                            Realization that is actually me who has the problem and that that problem is premature ejaculation signals the change of mindset to better.

                            The other level of this is something that comes later on when your mindset matures even more, and that is understanding that premature ejaculation is the part of your life and that every progression no matter how small and insignificant may seem is good and that it all build ups.

                            2. Focus on solution

                            I agree with this one, but on a different topic that doing to many things at least in the beginning only makes it worse. We males have this instrumental approach where we almost always tend to rush into some routines and kegels and reverse kegels. The point is to build a good foundation and then build upon it, and best foundation is build with observing and immersion, knowing your arousal reactions, just knowing how that feels more deaply will lake all other tecniques and stuff later on be much better applayed. It is good to spend allot of time just trying to understand yourself, sometimes you can do that just by bringing yourself to the very edge of PONR and then stopping.

                            So one thing at a time.

                            3. Let yourself be imperfectPremature ejaculationis follow a simmiliar pattern of behaivour, they are perfectionists, they have strong temperament, they are over analytic and so on. This also builds up on a proper mindset theme, in a way that you should not judge yourself, if it happens it happens, making peace with it is really a door to great advances. Most of the time we are hampering ourselves.

                            This was a boon even trough my journey, I had sessions that were so bad that I just sat down and though "So did I progress at all or was it all a lie?" and I would feel so down I even posted about it. learning how to srught that of and focus on good is a mastery of it own but a necessary one none the less.

                            4. Control your breathing

                            We are always aware of this, but only some time in our journey to fix primatre ejaculation do we become REALLY aware of it, and later on really start to use it and understand it. Here I describe that in more detail so I won't repeat it "From PE to MMO"- Minuteman's Orgasmic log - Page 21

                            5. Control your body tension

                            This is also a git topic and in many way similiar to the previous one and it is all about being conscious about your body. The recommended exercise is a good idea, but in time we all will develop out ways of relaxing. But even just being aware helps allot.

                            6. Learn proper sexual positions

                            In solo this goes the same, don't just edge in one position experiment and find which positions you find better and which one makes you rush to fast to ponr.

                            7. Learn the art of sexual ju jitsu

                            This, even though it sound silly, was probably the most useful bit I got from this 12 steps and that is that you should focus on making her thurst more than you. It sounds logical but having no experience I never though about this. While it does takes less tension and increases stamina somewhat, it denies your control and for people with premature ejaculation sometimes that is more important but that doesn't mean this is not useful, but it asks for experimenting.

                            8. Learn and use more foreplay

                            This is more or less my credo, I mean not foreplay but GRADUALITY. Being gradual is the way to go in every phase of fixing prematue ejaculation, the very reason most of us have PE is because we are not gradual. That means do not jump on your penis as soon as you want to edge but do it slower let the arousal build up nicely allow it to spread trough your body.

                            Foreplay is exelent for this, not only you are pleasuring her, but you are making your self more and more aroused and after a while (in a way like watching porn without eding, but probably better) you are full aroused and erected and that is a optimal (at least for me) state to be. Learning how to last longer in that state is hard but not impossible.

                            9. Focus on relaxation and mental stillness, do not focus on limiting arousal

                            I am a really huge advocate of this and it was one of the reasons I progressed fast. I never limited or controlled my arousal. Not in the beginner way (like thinging about math or other distracting stuff) nor in the advanced way. Arousal itself doesn't have to to much with you mind as much as it has do to with your body, arousal itself isn't what is bad, what is bad is you mind that is constantly desynch from your body. Although this can sometimes boil down more to semantics then not it is important do differentiate between what you want to do.

                            When you reach a certain level you start to notice that arousal can be separated from thoughts and even your body reactions mostly because they are a thing of habit. Thinking dirty when highly aroused is a habit, your arousal does not drops when you stop thinking about it, it is just your brain that stops interfering. Same is with your body it tenses up as a habit, but learn to reduce or elimitate the tension and your arousal will remain. Most people see this as lowering of arousal, rather that that it is the purification of arousal. Once you strip tension and thought all that is left is pure arousal.

                            Mental stillnes is also a concept that is a step up from things I usually recommend. I usually recommend replacing even thughts with good ones, with fantasy or imagination as an very effective way of battling frustration and it works. But in the end if the imagination doesn't give way to sensations problems will still occur. That is why the next step is actually to have an empty mind once you are in a good mood rather than positive thoughts. But that doesn't mean one should abandon switching negative for positive, but should also implement this as a next step.

                            Next time you are highly aroused during edging and sex don't hamper the arousal don't control it instead try to relax and achieve mental stillness.

                            This also connects to that story about porn vs imagination, and how a proper progression is actually the point here imagination gives way to sensation.

                            That is why I always recommend accepting the arousal, of course learning how takes time.

                            But that does not in anyway invalidate arousal scales, they are helpful and definatelly necesary. Rather than the oposite you should view this as a step up once you reach a certain level of mastery of the arousal control/techiques. In other words what I said here doesn't make this false: https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...echniques.html it is just a step after that.

                            It is a subject filled with semantic problems, so I hope this doesn't make things worse. It is easy to ovething/overanalyze it all.

                            10. Eliminate all conscious thoughts

                            I was able to have mental stillnes, but eliminating all conscious thoughts seems to much of a task, here I have nothing much to say since I am yet to be on that level.

                            11. Meditate 5 mins every day

                            Mostly it refers on practiceing mental stillness outside of sex via mediation. Mediation is always a good idea be it for sex of for any other aspect of life.

                            12. Stop focusing on stamina

                            I would make this on a more general ground. After doing something long enough it becomes a part of you. Like when you use kegel to stop ejaculation, most of the time now I don't even think about it, I just know that now is not the time for me to ejaculation so I almost unconsiously proceed to hold a kegel and reduce/stop stimulation until it subsides.

                            That transfer is mostly unconscious so sometimes you don't even notice you stopped doing something consciously.

                            But yeah, once you reached the desired mark and can do it continusly for a while (he says it is 45 minutes) stop paying attention to the clock and just enjoy the rid.


                            Well that is my point of view of it at least when concerning solo.
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                            • So, yesterday evening I was feeling nice and horny (my body was enegized and I was very easy to get hard just by thoughts) so I looked forward to my edging session right before bedtime. I started out slowly trying to enjoy the session as much as I can. Sometimes I am aroused enough so that every stroke is full of sensations even though I'm nowhere near PONR on other times I feel absolutely nothing until PONR this time it was kinda in between. So here I am progressing gradually, even managing my arousal where no where near the porn and everything goes nicely. After some time ponr starts coming and my involuntaries start acting up as usually, there is always a phase in my sessions where they start acting up but in time with patience and proper pacing they subside or I make them into a soft wave, anyway usually then is when the real enjoyment starts.

                              Over the time I have developed a pretty good if not excellent undestanding of my own arousal (at least solo) and how to dance around ponr to take the benefits of its high pleasure but to eliminate its finality, and even though I shouldn't I am proud of that. So imagine my surprise and extreme frustration when suddenly my kegel hold activated (since I have trained it enough that I can always have a DO almost unconsciously) to hold back the spasms and ejaculation.

                              Having a DO when you are prepared for it is a completely different matter than one when it is used as an emergency break, since erection recovery is much easier when you prepare and that so called "last spasm" don't occurs as frequently, also your body position and quality of your kegel hold then matter even more than your technique. This time how ever I was left with a rapidly flacidifuing penis. Every attempt to make it fully hard again ended up in a failure or the need to use a kegel hold to stop yet another ejaculation, anyway it failed.

                              I don't remember the last time I felt so betrayed, hurt, frustrated and so very very very pissed off. You know that feeling that you have when you KNOW you could have lasted ALLOT longer if just that accident didn't happen. You desperately think to yourself "I just wanted to enjoy, why must it be so hard".

                              So I went to sleep and barely slept at all. Come morning, I woke up in a same way I went to bed. So out of desperation, even though I told other so many times not to, I tried to edge again since I had so so erection. I mean it could not be worse than last night, right? Right?

                              It was a sad action indeed, I know I would have failed and I did. This time I rushed myself to ponr on purpose and began the same thing, my control now was even better, excellent even. I even had a few perfect DOs (that is when you time your kegel holds so right that it stops the whole ejaculation and spasms all together, if you manage to link them you have somewhat a soft wave orgasm etc, that is one of many ways...) and leaves you a little bit before that last stroke that would have made you ejaculate. But my blind desire to somehow have it all perfect or to prove something to myself made me not even notice it, not even properly enjoy it and normally after some time I ejaculated rather pathetically. It was a mix of trying to DO mixed with half dribbling to end up in not even manageing to hold it properly.. I think you get the point.

                              The only good thing that came out of it was my understanding at just how desperate a person can sometimes can be, even justifiably so, and how essentially sad, I rarely pity myself but this time I really did. In hindsight I looked so impotent with my not even fully erect penis trying to achieve something and to prove something to myself.

                              It is one thing entirely do give advices, but following them, even your own is a different story all together.

                              In short, it was one of those days.

                              The moral of this story is that "It will happen". It just will, from time to time, it will just happen and in moment seemingly wipe out every and all good things you have done to advance. You will honestly begin to wonder and question have you even progressed, was it all for nothing?

                              So what to do when this happens, well first of don't be pathetic like me and try to beat on a dead horse by trying it again later on, just chill out do something ANYTHING different, go run, go scream, exercise (not your penis), play video games, anything but think and even try to edge or even touch your penis bar the urination needs. Because when you are on the wrong track and you leave it to little time, you can only do worse and believe me it can be worse.

                              I can't even describe how hard it is to find a higher ground and how even though you know very well it can and will be much better, how hard it can be to get out of that slump. I feel better now, as much as I can, but I honestly plan to give my penis at least 3-5 days rest after all this. Maybe I should apologize to him for making him suffer for my own sometimes overinflated ego.
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                              • Very very interesting and on target observations, Minuteman. As much conscious and unconscious control that we think we have mastered can and occasionally will be thrown to the wind by chance or other circumstance. We can not stop these instances. Disappointment is hard to avoid but it must not be reinforced as you have so succinctly shared.
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                                Midshaft EG: 5.75 +.75
                                Base EG: 6 +.75
                                Top EG 5 +.5
                                NBPEL 6.2. +.2
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